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TheHyphenated1 said:
“In seven years your eldest will be a soldier. Do you really think peace will wait that long?”

“I always believed, Herr Schmidt, that the war would be over by the time my family was sucked into it. After all, even the World War lasted less than four and a half years.”

“You remember our talks, though, Artur. Hitler is not a Kaiser or even a Bismarck -- he is a Bonaparte. Napoleon’s ambition plunged Europe into fifteen years of war and brought France to total ruin.”

It seems interesting that Fr. Martin Kappel would know about the future world war. There is no way that the Reinickendorf Circle could have predicted this war. So perhaps they got knowledge of it from the future. That would explain a lot, for example: why they never existed in real life? Well that is because they did not have the knowledge that they do and therefore had no motivation to form.

This could be like a Terminator scenario. The manuscript of Weltkriegschaft was sent back in time by someone to aid Hitler. But the people opposed to this had sent knowledge to some member of Reinickendorf Circle in order to motivate them to kill Hitler.
 
diziziz said:
It seems interesting that Fr. Martin Kappel would know about the future world war. There is no way that the Reinickendorf Circle could have predicted this war. So perhaps they got knowledge of it from the future. That would explain a lot, for example: why they never existed in real life? Well that is because they did not have the knowledge that they do and therefore had no motivation to form.

This could be like a Terminator scenario. The manuscript of Weltkriegschaft was sent back in time by someone to aid Hitler. But the people opposed to this had sent knowledge to some member of Reinickendorf Circle in order to motivate them to kill Hitler.
That wasn't really my reading of the situation- I just assumed Kappel recognized Hitler as a Very Bad Thing for Germany.

Of course, your idea opens up all sorts of new and interesting possibilities. :)
 
Commander-DK - Thank you!

diziziz, dublish, Pinkspider - While I am the first to encourage speculation, the mention of Terminator even caught me by surprise. I will simply note that readers should not take my failure to refute a theory as an endorsement of it. That said, the theories are sure getting interesting :D


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Chapter II: Part VI

Chapter II: The Gambit of the West

Part VI


February 25, 1936

Adolf Hitler’s private office in the Reichschancellery had been substantially cleared upon Cristoph Scholl’s arrival at eight. He found the Führer in an anteroom, chatting with a secretary and keeping a watchful eye over the stacks of his papers that had been piled temporarily onto several folding stands. Three workmen labored at the doorway, tilting a large wooden table to get it through the narrow doorframe and into the office. The Führer had explained that chief architect Albert Speer had at last completed what Hitler only called “The First Envisionment”. Scholl could tell that the Supreme Leader was almost giddy with excitement, but decided to humor him in his mysteriousness and await Speer’s arrival to learn more. The office doors had been closed, and those in the anteroom had listened silently to the shufflings and thuds coming from within.

Just after nine, Speer emerged from the office to greet the Führer. He was a keen-looking young man of thirty, a little balding, but set with a serious, straightforward face. Hitler rushed to see him -- Speer deftly blocked his Führer’s attempts to see past him into the office -- and clasped his hands enthusiastically.

“Albert, this is Scholl, my able young adjutant.”

“I’m pleased, Herr Speer. I have, ehm, looked forward to your presentation.”

“Splendid! I am honored by your interest. Here --” From a pocket, Speer produced a photograph of himself and signed it, handing it to Scholl. “-- with my best compliments.”

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Albert Speer. Photograph autographed for Cristoph Scholl, 1936.


Speer had already met the other secretaries, and so after brief greetings, he took hold of Hitler by an arm, and led him to the office door. “Are you ready?”

“Greatly.”

Speer opened the door and led the Führer inward, followed by Scholl and the secretaries.

When Scholl entered, he found the normally reserved Hitler embracing Speer ecstatically. The office was now dominated by a huge table on which there lay a large and highly detailed cardstock model of a domed building. The edges of the table were filled with page after page of sketches.

“You are a definitive genius, Speer!”

The young architect was clearly delighted to have pleased the Führer. “May I begin my presentation?”

“Yes, please do.”

“Mein Führer, Fräulein Wolf, Fräulein Falke, Herr Scholl -- these months I have labored in the first step toward the realization of the New Berlin and the New Germany. The Führer wrote me at the beginning of last month to convey his intent to enlarge the scale of this work far beyond that even he had previously envisioned. I have answered this challenge to the best of my ability.

“As an overview, one day Berlin will be born anew. Not as the inelegant industrial city of today, but as a World Capital to humble Paris, London and Rome. While the buildings of modern Berlin fall to ruin in a generation or two, Berlin Reborn will last a thousand years and three thousand more as ruins.

“Mussolini in Italy can point to the great architecture of Rome, and show his people ‘That is what we will become again. That is the timeless greatness of our race.’ Thus, he can bring his people into communion with a past that was ancient in the time of Christ. In Berlin, the buildings of Bismarck have already largely fallen away. One of the few remnants is this very building, which itself lacks an architectural greatness worthy of its function. A paper-goods company could be housed here, perhaps, but not the government of the Third Reich! Millennia hence, Germans must be able to look back on our own ruins and say: ‘That is the meaning of the German People.’

“Thus, the Führer has resolved that this city be reborn as the eternal Welthauptstadt Germania -- a fitting World Capital and monument to the German People.

“First, Berlin shall be reorganized along a central axis -- a grand ceremonial avenue running north-south three miles through the Tiergarten. This grand avenue will be used for parades, and open only to foot-traffic -- encouraging the people to take in the majesty of the city as pedestrians. A second highway, running beneath the first, will carry automobile traffic.”

From the table, Speer held up a watercolor showing hundreds of automobiles driving through a well-lit tunnel.

“At the southern end of the axis, a colossal victory arch will frame the avenue -- one hundred fifty meters high! It will be the focal point for military triumphs after the fashion of the Caesars, and through it mighty armies shall pass.

“Beyond the Arch shall be the new Chancellery. I have discussed the plans in private with the Führer, but let it suffice now to say that its largest enclosed space shall be able to contain the entire Old Reichschancellery within it!”

Fräulein Wolf gasped openly.

“That shall be the reaction of all the world, Fräulein Wolf!

“Now, proceeding southward still, a great bath and health complex will be built for the use of all Germans. Parts of the complex will be modeled on the water and steam baths of the Romans, while other buildings will be devoted to swimming, weight-lifting and the most modern forms of exercise and fitness.”

Speer showed his audience a second painting, depicting a great many nude bathers in and around a gigantic swimming pool.

“Southeast of the baths will be one of the latter stages of this project -- the closure of the Tempelhof Airport. It will be replaced by a massive and fully modern Aerodrome near Potsdam which will service the entire city. On the site of the old facility, a great university shall be founded. Not a shrine to academia like the other universities, no. This university shall be large enough for a quarter-million people to receive an education in the ways of the future German Nation. These men and women shall bring that education to the farthest corners of the world, and the university will become the great learning center of National Socialism.”

Speer paused a moment, shuffling through his sketches.

“Ah! The first stage of this project is already nearly complete. The stadium that right now is being constructed for this summer’s Olympic Games shall be, with its surrounding fields, a great center of athletics for the city, and national competitions will regularly be held there, for the entertainment and edification of the spectators.

“Moving back to the great north-south axis, it will intersect an imposing, but somewhat less grand east-west axis, along which will lie a great Opera and many other cultural and artistic buildings, as well as buildings for the furtherance of civic life.

“The junction of the two axes will be marked by a forum -- half a million square meters in size. On one side of this shall be a residence for the Führer. Opposite it, on the east, shall be a fitting headquarters for the War Ministry. A central space, designed to accommodate a million people, shall lead at the far northern end of the Great Axis to the very heart of the National Socialist movement.”

Speer gestured to the cardstock model dramatically.

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Speer’s initial model of the Volkshalle.


“The Volkshalle! Central gathering place for the German People. This dome you see, Fräulein Wolf -- how tall is it?”

The woman blinked, taken aback at having been asked her opinion. “Herr Speer, I, well, hmm. I’m sorry.”

The chief architect nodded. “Herr Scholl?”

Scholl estimated the height of the columns and multiplied that up to the top of the dome. If the columns are the first level, it must be six stories tall. “Thirty meters tall!”

A wry grin crossed Speer’s face. “Herr Scholl, you shall notice a very small model in front of the Volkshalle, on your right. Do you recognize what that is?”

“The Brandenburg Gate, but --”

“The models are exactly to scale. The Volkshalle is three hundred meters tall.”

Hitler let out a triumphant shout, clapping Speer upon the back. Speer turned to the secretaries and Scholl.

“Here, the Führer will one day address up to two hundred thousand people at once. The Volkshalle will be auditorium, meeting hall, temple and monument. It will be the crowning symbol of the Weltherrschaft -- World Domination -- of the German People.”

The Führer now wept openly. “My Speer, my Speer. This is the new Pantheon, the new Acropolis. To think that I myself first sketched this hall, and now you have realized it. I hope that I live to see it completed.”

“When,” Scholl asked, “shall this great reorganization of Berlin be completed?”

Speer bit his lip. “It is too soon to say. It is my hope that it shall be completed some time between the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties.”

Hitler circled the model, admiring it from all angles. At last, he wiped his eyes and nodded to Speer. “I shall authorize the project immediately. Not a day must be lost.”
 
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Now it's been Frederick Spotts' wonderful books comes to my mind...

Germania ist am Ende, methinks.
 
Apart from the fact that this ugly monstrosity is spelled "Volkshalle" one hell of an update. *nods*
 
Excellent update. Though I do have one question, aren't the Fuher's Palaca the Reichschancellery the same or is the Reichschancellery the office and the palace the residence?
 
Kurt_Steiner - I am not familiar, I'm afraid.

trkaddict - D'oh! *smacks forehead* Sorry about that one, and thanks for noticing. This error has now been corrected, and the under-typist responsible has been duly disciplined :p . Glad you enjoyed it, though.

Ironhewer - Thank you! And you are correct. The Palace is the residence, and the Chancellery is the office and headquarters of the apparatus of state. This differs somewhat from the plan Hitler approved in 1937 in our own timeline, in which both functions would be combined into a single building on a somewhat smaller forum.
 
TheHyphenated1 said:
and keeping a watchful eye over the stacks of his papers that had been piled temporarily onto several folding stands.
This is obviously Weltkriegschaft, Hitler is watching it so others don't take it.


On another matter let me make a few more predictions.

Wikipedia said:
researchers into the logistics of Hitler's Welthaupstadt have claimed that, owing to both the sheer amount of marble required and Berlin's marshy foundations, Germania would have sunk into the ground within a few years.

This perfectly shows why this city will never be built in this AAR. If TheHyphenated1 was going to have this structure built then it would sink into the ground and create massive engineering problems. This would cause many chapters of this wonderful AAR to be dedicated to the engineering problems of Welthauptstadt Germania. Which leads me to conclude that this city will never be built. Meaning that since stubborn Hitler will never abandon his plan for this no matter what, Germany will lose the war.

However if Hitler dies now because of the Reinickendorf Circle the new Nazi leaders would definitely win the war by listening to their generals. And if they do win the war, then Welthauptstadt Germania will be constructed which is impossible which leads me to conclude that Hitler will survive the bomb attack at the olympics, but he will lose the war.

You know I really enjoy how TheHyphenated1 puts hints into the story. Its hard to find them, but once you do, the direction of this story becomes clear to you.


Also to those who don't believe my Terminator prediction, don't you think that it is a bit coincidencial that the members of the Reinickendorf Circle are drugged when they are about to be exectued, well this is to prevent them from blurting out information abou the future to the crowd.

Some might say that they were drugged to prevent them from talking about how they were tortured, but then how come some members weren't drugged. In fact only Lössner was drugged so it must have been him to whom the information from the future came to. He also must have told Kappel because he knows as well.
 
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diziziz, unless I'm mistaken, the SS/SD drugged Lossner. so you're saying that Hitler read in hypothetical-future-Weltkriegschaft that Lossner would know about the book, and therefore ordered the SS to drug him so as not to reveal his knowledge that Hitler had the knowledge in Weltkriegschaft.

much more of this, and i'm Starting to get dizzy, haha.

to me, I think dublish's thinking fits the clues more (Reinickendorf Circle simply recognizes that Hitler is a Very Bad Thing for Germany, Weltkriegschaft is not from the future). on the other hand, i don't have as well-developed theory on the book itself, so i guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
TheHyphenated1 said:
Kurt_Steiner - I am not familiar, I'm afraid.

Spotts wrote a wonderful book called "Hitler and the Aesthetics of Power", where he studies the influnce that Hitler the Artist had upon Hitler the Politican. An amazing read, I recommend it.
 
Nice update. But if the specialists tell Hitler that Germania can't be built on Berlin, but a little west, he would surely listen to them, he seems like a manageable person here, and not like a total lunatic with no sense of reality. However, one can't know how the possible victories or losses in the coming war affect him
 
SeleucidRex said:
diziziz, unless I'm mistaken, the SS/SD drugged Lossner. so you're saying that Hitler read in hypothetical-future-Weltkriegschaft that Lossner would know about the book, and therefore ordered the SS to drug him so as not to reveal his knowledge that Hitler had the knowledge in Weltkriegschaft.

No, not exactly. I don't think Hitler knows about Lossner, perhaps the SS/SD knows from when they tortured him, he may have told them about it. But they didn't yet tell Hitler and maybe are withholding it from him. I mean if Hitler knew he would go crazy.

Or it could be something that TheHyphenated1 just did this so, people wouldn't ask him about why Lössner didn't blurt out information to the crowd.

Another possibility is that maybe a bodyguard was sent from the future to protect Hitler and he feels safe. In this scenario he knows.


Well what I want to say is that I could predict a lot of things, but I can't predict everything. :rolleyes:


Pinkspider said:
Nice update. But if the specialists tell Hitler that Germania can't be built on Berlin, but a little west, he would surely listen to them, he seems like a manageable person here, and not like a total lunatic with no sense of reality. However, one can't know how the possible victories or losses in the coming war affect him


The specialists probably don't know this as it was our modern researchers who stated it would sink. Also Hitler bacame a physco once he started losing the war. And as Speer said it would be built in the fifties so the war would already be going and so they probably wouldn't have the time or resources to start building, it would have to wait until after the war. But since as I had proved before, Hitler is going to lose the war, and that means it would never be built.
 
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Pinkspider said:
I'm personnally not that sure Germany is losing :D
My sentiments exactly. People tend to write AARs from the winning side's perspective. I think its because people like winning when they play.
 
dublish said:
My sentiments exactly. People tend to write AARs from the winning side's perspective. I think its because people like winning when they play.

Yes, but it doesn't really look like an AAR, but rather a story. Which I think is a very good thing.

I mean he is playing from a realistic perspective not from a HOI2 perspective. And also I proved before why Germany would lose, so its pretty much obvious what is going to happen at the end.