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    This looks awesome. Great work, Remble. I always enjoy seeing how the AI can act like myself when I started playing HoI: send all troops to the front and forget about your supply lines. At least the AI didn't try sea- and airborne invasions. Humans do.

    Concerning the British troops in Burma: won't they be supplied through Tibet, once Bhutan is out of the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Madien
    Given that the Japanese historically had help from the Germans with rockety, I wonder how the Japanese are managing rocketry with Germany being more-or-less dead.
    I assume he got blueprints from Germany for that tech. So Japan did get help from the Krauts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maj. von Mauser
    Sri Lanka will definitely be a nice port to have.
    Also that's a ton of rare materials there -- Good for Japan, and even better that GB can't get their hands on it! As Remble said, the UK starts with a rather small stockpile of rare materials in the '44 scenario. This could be the first step towards the elimination of the UK as an industrial power.

    But that still leaves the Soviet Union. I am especially looking forward to the updates when Russia starts their onslaught...
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    Going very well.

    Do you have spare navs for use in the indian ocean?

    Also I hope your cavalry divisions don't get cut off from supply in there little tirade round the subcontinent.

    Hope you can finish off that pocket in burma before the soviets come a knockin'.

    Sokrates, why would the British troops get supplied from Tibet? he's not at war with them and they are not allied in any way to the UK. With no ships on convoy raiding (a spare tac/nav could do the job pretty well though) the supplies will get thorugh to burma by sea.

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    You are fiendishly clever. There is probably two garrison or militia divisions in India. Hence south India is yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjwet
    I think you could raise even more division, with india and china under control and a foreign MP minister manpower is not a problem.
    Unfortunately, Japan won´t get any manpower from there. To get manpower you need a land connection. Oversea-MP is totally ignored when at war.

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    Great progress in India.
    By the way, how can you order your troops to go through every province in South India before ending up in Hyderabad? Wouldn't they automatically pick the shortest route possible?

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    Is that a dissent-mod to the British I spot? Maybe the colonies have started their quest for independence (I had to quit my british game - got knocked up to 90% dissent and got no event were I could release my colonies :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onni_Manni
    Great progress in India.
    By the way, how can you order your troops to go through every province in South India before ending up in Hyderabad? Wouldn't they automatically pick the shortest route possible?
    Shift-click the order of provinces you want. Or was it control-click? Puh, I desperately need to play more HoI

    Edit: Shift-click, I'm certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjwet
    Why do you have so short serial runs? I thought the serial bonus is the best way to use the japanese industry well.
    So you will win this, if the SU gives you enough time to be prepared.
    serials would take too long.
    event 25004 (soviets prepare for war with japan):
    trigger = {
    ai = yes
    random = 5
    NOT = { non_aggression = { country = JAP country = SOV } }
    OR = {
    NOT = { control = { province = 300 data = GER } } # Berlin
    ispuppet = GER
    }
    NOT = { war = { country = GER country = SOV } }
    OR = {
    war = { country = JAP country = USA }
    war = { country = JAP country = CHC }
    war = { country = JAP country = CHI }
    }
    }
    the event conditions are checked each 12 days. when this event fires, the soviets will load an AI-file called SOV_japan.ai and execute a command that prepares for war. i am not sure what will determine the exact time of the declaration of war but from my understanding the soviets can attack from the moment the event has fired.
    to build a considerable number of infantry in serial, remble would need at least a year. the propability of the event not firing for a year is 21,5%. this is too low to count on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manziel
    serials would take too long.

    the event conditions are checked each 12 days. when this event fires, the soviets will load an AI-file called SOV_japan.ai and execute a command that prepares for war. i am not sure what will determine the exact time of the declaration of war but from my understanding the soviets can attack from the moment the event has fired.
    to build a considerable number of infantry in serial, remble would need at least a year. the propability of the event not firing for a year is 21,5%. this is too low to count on it
    It is imperative to have 200+ relations and a non agresion pact in this case...

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    Alright, Remble. Your surprise is coming up.

    After reading your posting

    "Vice Admiral Ogan had apparently not seen the skull and crossbones on his naval maps and moved his fleet into the North Mariana Trench."

    (found here), I thought to myself: "Arr, this be a fine place for a jolly old pirate song!" And what song would be more fitting than one performed by the Pirates of Metal.

    So without further ado, I present to you, Ladies and Gentlemen, ...


    Under Jolly Tenno





    The runner was dashing over the deck of the IJN Yamashiro. Out of breath, he finally reached Admiral Yamamoto, who was surveying the sailors, bowed and presented him a note. A hooked hand shot forth, transfixed the slip of paper and held it close to Yamamoto's face.

    "Scurvy Landrats! Scurvy Landrats!"

    Admiral Yamamoto smiled a wolfish grin and, with his non-hooked hand, patted the parrot, which was sitting on his shoulder.

    "Aye, Mihiko. And we be teachin' 'em a jolly good lesson soon."

    The admiral proceeded to the main deck as fast as his peg leg and the parrot allowed, held the note high above his head and cried:

    "Avast, me hearties! Them scurvy American be enterin' our waters! Weigh the anchor! Set sail to Saipan where we be expecting 'em bilge rats with a broadside to send 'em to Davy Jones' locker! Arrrr!"

    This message was greeted by the crew with many cheers, pistolshots and "Arrr"s. The men scurried hither and tither while the IJN Yamashiro immediately turned to leave the pier and the friendly harbor behind. So eager were the sailors to set sail that the poor runner didn't even have time to leave ship. So he jumped over board and was quickly swallowed by the waves. He was a runner, after all, not a swimmer.

    While the ship plowed the waves, the sailors prepared for battle and started singing a merry tune:


    Weigh the anchor, load the guns,
    We be huntin' us Americuns.
    Their ships they throw at us in heaps,
    Their carriers make such lovely reefs!

    Guns and chop sticks teach 'em fear,
    Remble's leadin', their end is near,
    No grog for us, it's sake we drink,
    And carriers by the dozen we sink!

    Under Jolly Tenno!

    Under Jolly Tenno!

    Seein' those transports head for Saipan,
    No escorts they have so they be goin' down.
    Now those scurvy Brits have occupied Kra,
    Arrr, then we be takin' India!

    Guns and chop sticks teach 'em fear,
    Remble's leadin', their end is near,
    No grog for us, it's sake we drink,
    And carriers by the dozen we sink!

    Under Jolly Tenno!

    Under Jolly Tenno!



    Suddenly a sailor jumped on the capstan (the winch for the anchor, ye land lubbers) and fiddled a solo.


    We be the greatest sailors of the Pacific,
    yet our rep'tation ain't 'pletly honorific.
    For we be havin' one sole phobia:
    them scurvy planes from South Africa!

    Guns and chop sticks teach 'em fear,
    Remble's leadin', their end is near,
    No grog for us, it's sake we drink,
    And carriers by the dozen we sink!

    Under Jolly Tenno!

    Under Jolly Tenno!


    We be teachin' 'em fear!
    MuahahaHAARRRR!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by elbasto
    It is imperative to have 200+ relations and a non agresion pact in this case...
    unforunately, japan starts at -100 relation in '44 and does not have the money to influence them enough to get a NAP. it does not matter anyway now as the german surrender is already some time in the past a the event could have fired already
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    sbr - Thank you

    Manziel - Defence by space it will be. I really do not have enough forces to try to take and hold India for the time being.

    Reado - Maybe I should make a few one post updates just to confuse people

    germanpeon - Ceylon/Sri lanka, was taken for its rare materials as much as anything. It also happens to have the only two airbases and ports in the area too which is a very nice bonus. My NAV's are far too busy to play in the Indian Ocean, they have the USN to deal with in the Pacific.

    safferli - Even more amusing is that Japan doesn't even know how to research Practical Turbojet yet even though it has the requirements. I suspect that these new aircraft will be using some type of advanced fireworks to power them.

    I Killed Kenny, Maj. von Mauser - Colombo has one large advantage over the islands in the Pacific. It has a level 9 coastal fort which means I could use just about anything to defend it.

    Nathan Madien, safferli - Safferli is correct I got blueprints for the first tech. The rest of the research will be slow and painful I imagine.

    stnylan - Opposition is coming its just a little slow

    Ektoras - If I wanted to conquer India then my armour would be very useful. A lot of the forces in Burma that I am facing have rmour or mech in them so I need similar forces to fight them, or hold them at least. I only have a total of 6 armoured divisions and they are all older types. The islands in the Indian Ocean should prevent the Allies from counter invading but as we all know it cheats and has unlimited range so they are almost pointless to take defensively.

    cjwet, Thurak - Thank you. Thurak is correct that I get zero manpower from anywhere that is not mainland Japan. It is one of the major problems playing Japan. Normally I would use long serial runs but I have to have these troops quickly which is why I set the maximum amount my manpower could probably support. I may end up with only three runs, we shall see.

    Murmurandus - Thank you

    Sokraates - Thank you. String Theory is correct Tibet is not at war with me. One of the few not to be

    safferli - The British industry should start to suffer fairly soon I would think, they have lost a lot of their rare material areas and are losing more. I get the impression that several of my readers are waiting for the Big Red Bear to come and slap me around

    String Theory - Thank you. No spare NAV's no as already explained above. As long as my Cavarly are in a coastal province they won't be cut off from supply. I think the Soviets will come knocking before I can finish Burma.

    Deus - Thank you. India is not quite totally undefended as you will see shortly.

    Onni_Manni - Thank you. Shift - right click to select destinations one province at a time. Works for ships as well if they are in range of their home port.

    Illumini - Unusually for me I have pop up and pause on for foreign events and this hasn't come up. The dissent is a small one I guess as its gone in further updates.

    Manziel - I am lucky it hasn't already fired I think but as its winter now they might hold off until spring.

    elbasto - Relations are irrelevant in this case as the Soviet DoW is event driven. This means it makes absolutely no difference what my relations are.

    Sokraates - Ah a surprise for me I am sure Yamamoto would be absolutely thrilled to be called a pirate. I hate to think what this will become after the Red Army kicks me around a little

    Update to follow ...

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    Operation Dilemma

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    0600 December 9th 1944.
    The Skies Above Northern India.
    Air Generals Kondo and Ichimaru were leading the nine Tactical bomber squadrons towards the area surrounding Delhi in northern India. They noticed several things during their outbound flight, the most significant of which was the amount of targets in the area. There were considerably more than had been anticipated.

    "Where shall we start?" asked Kondo.

    "Well we can't possibly bomb them all at once. How about the infantry walking through Meerut province?" replied Ichimaru.

    "What about the tanks and motorised infantry though?" Kondo mused.

    "I am sure they still be in the area after we deal with the infantry my friend. We have to start somewhere after all."

    "That sounds reasonable. You want to lead or shall I?"

    "How about I lead this time as you made me choose what to attack?"

    "That is fair I suppose. I get to pick the next target and lead though."

    "Of course." replied Ichimaru as he gave the command to begin the bombing run.




    1200 December 19th 1944.
    BB Division 1 Flagship. IJN Yamashiro, Gulf of Martapan.
    Yamamoto watched the activity on shore as his lookouts scanned the horizon for any enemy vessels entering the area. So far nothing had managed to get in or out of Rangoon since BB Division 1 started its blockade of the port.

    BB Division 2 was still encountering small fleets in the Bangka Strait which it was dealing with easily enough. IJN Nagato would claim the kill on the 37th Destroyer Flotilla.

    Japanese interceptors were accompanying the Tactical bombers trying to keep Field Marshal Wilson occupied in Kra. The latest report indicated that he had received reinforcements and now had six motorised divisions at his disposal.

    The landing in Colombo had gone smoothly with Japanese troops now occupying the rare material rich province. The fleet taking shelter in its port was forced to leave and try and elude Carrier Group C. The large Transport fleet managed to do just that as two Destroyer Flotillas arrived to provide some protection. The escorts did not fare as well as the Transports. Aircraft from IJN Zuikaku sank the 41st Destroyer Flotilla.

    Nagano turned his fleet north to try and catch the enemy fleet again while Mikawa headed for Colombo to embark one of the two infantry divisions so that he could invade the northern end of the island.

    At 1600 hours on the 21st Nagano's fleet entered the Palk Strait in the hopes of finding a large quantity of Transport ships. They found a small American fleet instead. IJN Zuikaku's aircraft would sink the Destroyer Division as Carrier Group C set about blockading the port of Trincomalee.

    Things were not all going Yamamoto's way however. Lt. General Hanaya was checking the defences of his island when a runner came up to him with a message that his second in command wished to see him on the other side of the island. Curiosity overcame his instinct to ask more questions as he followed the man to his destination.

    "Problems?" he asked as he arrived.

    "Take a look to the north west commander." replied Mj. General Hirata.

    "That looks like the type of thing that could be considered a problem I would say." Hanaya observed after scanning the area with his field binoculars. "British or American would you say?"

    "British and they seem to have brought a lot more hardware than they should have for this type of operation." replied Hirata.

    "Ah yes I see now. Our enemies seem to have failed to learn that tanks are not suited for amphibious operations, especially in jungles. Motorised infantry are not much better."

    "They are persistant though." Hirata replied.

    "Yes they are that. I would guess that our defensive screen of Submarines are busy eating breakfast or some such thing. Have extra supplies handed out to the men while I try and contact headquarters to see about a little help. We don't really need any help but someone needs to sink those Transport ships and it won't be us." Hanaya said as he headed for his command post.

    As was usual Yamashita and his interceptors were first on the scene to provide what limited assistance they could. Night had given way to dawn which had brought rain. The day was likely to be a long one for the invading forces.

    By 0300 hours on December 22nd the invasion was almost over. Hanaya's forces had no trouble at all repulsing such an invading force and Japanese casualties were very minor. The same could not be said for the British.




    0100 December 23rd 1944.
    North China Army Headquarters. Jinghong, China.
    Japanese forces continued their advance into Baoshan meeting sporadic resistance as they went. Air support was always close at hand to assist.

    Higashikuni knew that too many of these small encounters would halt this advance as his troops tired from the march into the mountains. Every battle in this hostile terrain took several hours to win even with support.

    British forces in India were reacting fairly quickly to the invasion as a motorised division occupied Ranchi to try and stall the Japanese advance. The Tactical bombers had already visited the enemy division and it was quickly repulsed by the advancing infantry from Cuttack supported by troops in Calcutta. The motorised division would not survive its retreat as bombs rained down upon it.

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    0600 December 23rd 1944.
    BB Division 1 Flagship. IJN Yamashiro, Guld of Martapan.
    The second invasion of Ceylon had begun with Carrier Group C providing protection for a second time.

    The two old Brazilian Destroyer Flotillas did nothing to delay the plans but they would both escape as rain made flying conditions hazardous for the Carriers.

    Admiral Suikani and his Submarines finally decided to attack the British Transport fleet off Saipan at 1000 hours on December 23rd. The invasion was already over with Japanese troops easily repelling the enemy force. The Submarines would ensure that the hostile fleet left the North Mariana Trench for the time being.




    1600 December 23rd 1944.
    North China Army Headquarters. Jinghong, China.
    Lt. General Nishihara had managed to advance into Ranchi to capture the province and its energy reserves. He was attacked immediately but would hold his position.

    General Ueda had also arrived in Rangpur which presented a very real threat to British supplies in Burma. Only one more province needed to be captured to force the British to supply its forces by convoy.

    The Allies had responded to the advance on their northern border by sending some dive bombers to harass the advancing Japanese forces. Fukui made sure they wouldn't return for some considerable time. His aircraft were in excellent condition after limited use for some time and they would be available to halt any further such attacks by Allied aircraft.




    1000 December 24th 1944.
    South Iberian Shelf.
    Somehow the final former German Submarine fleet had managed to evade its pursuers for long enough to reach the Portuguese coast.

    The French fleet was still hunting for them and found them once again. Another Submarine Flotilla would fail to survive the latest encounter. Hopes were beginning to rise that this fleet would indeed reach the safety of Japan.




    1800 December 24th 1944.
    BB Division 1 Flagship. IJN Yamashiro, Gulf of Martapan.
    Yamamoto's lookouts informed him of another fleet trying to run his blockade and enter Rangoon. They would not be allowed to succeed.

    Two of the three Transport fleets would be sunk by IJN Yamashiro. Yamamoto was curious as to why these fleets were prepared to sit in waters occupied by a hostile fleet and try and embark troops there.

    The British Transport fleets had entered the North Mariana Trench again but this time they were intercepted before they could attempt an invasion and forced to leave the area. None would be sunk.




    2200 December 24th 1944.
    North China Army Headquarters. Jinghong, China.
    British troops continued to increase in numbers in India and were quick to try and throw the Japanese forces backwards.

    Numbers were still with the defenders for the time being, although the addition of armour to the battle was not something that Higashikuni wished to see. They could still be bombed but this process took longer as they were considerably more resistant to such damage.

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    Upsa, that's a lot of US and UK reinforcements in Rangoon. Did you know of them or are they a surprise? Where did they come from? A transport fleet slipping through your naval blockade?
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    Ouch. That looks even more interesting than expected. Have fun with all those allied troops in India, I hope your bombers won´t be intercepted, they are too important at the moment...

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    There is more troops than would have been expected, I'm sjure they will regret being in your presence soon though.

    Nice update today.

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