Deus Vult Improvement Pack - Discussion

unmerged(2456) · May 15, 2008

how many characters can the name be?

What about "Lowland Scot."?

Calgacus · May 16, 2008

In my three games played in this scenario, in all three Christian Rus lasted no more than 40 years, normally conquered by the Mordvins, nomands and Vyatchians (well, in the last there was a guy in the Crimea with one county and 7 northern duchy titles

). Anyone have any problems replacing the KIEV tag in the 1066 scenario with RUSS, making it elective with 3 of the 4 other Rus princes as vassals (i.e. excluding Polotsk)? The argument against this is supposed to be gameplay as Rus was no more politically disunited than Germany or France, but in 1066 the gameplay suffers because there Rus has been replaced by a bunch of unassociate duchies next to a pagan superpower.

I'll be doing this in my own version anyways ... but just wondering what people think about this as a general change.

jordarkelf · May 22, 2008

@Calgalus: Rus' existing is not something I'd do in the 'main' DVIP, but I'll consider it for the MK addon.

----

In other news, I've been offered a subforum at the Terranova.dk website, home of CORE, MMG, FODD, VIP, and SPQR!

I will of course also still use this Paradox forum thread, but over the next few days I'll be setting up the new forum with threads for different regions and ideas, which hopefully will make it a lot easier to keep track of development of the mod. It will also help in moving towards a more open, team-based effort (hopefully!).

Please join me at Terranova.dk.

Hasimir Fenring · May 22, 2008

Calgacus said:
In my three games played in this scenario, in all three Christian Rus lasted no more than 40 years, normally conquered by the Mordvins, nomands and Vyatchians (well, in the last there was a guy in the Crimea with one county and 7 northern duchy titles ). Anyone have any problems replacing the KIEV tag in the 1066 scenario with RUSS, making it elective with 3 of the 4 other Rus princes as vassals (i.e. excluding Polotsk)? The argument against this is supposed to be gameplay as Rus was no more politically disunited than Germany or France, but in 1066 the gameplay suffers because there Rus has been replaced by a bunch of unassociate duchies next to a pagan superpower.

I'll be doing this in my own version anyways ... but just wondering what people think about this as a general change.

Agree, could you give us some feedback ? Maybe after 50 years of game.

Drachenfire · May 27, 2008

jordarkelf said:
@Calgalus: Rus' existing is not something I'd do in the 'main' DVIP, but I'll consider it for the MK addon.

----

In other news, I've been offered a subforum at the Terranova.dk website, home of CORE, MMG, FODD, VIP, and SPQR!

I will of course also still use this Paradox forum thread, but over the next few days I'll be setting up the new forum with threads for different regions and ideas, which hopefully will make it a lot easier to keep track of development of the mod. It will also help in moving towards a more open, team-based effort (hopefully!).

Please join me at Terranova.dk.

Im joining!

jordarkelf · Jun 2, 2008

Release should be this week (ultimately sunday), I'm finalizing the last changes and are doing some playtesting.

jordarkelf · Jun 2, 2008

Hotfix for compatiblity with the 2.6 beta patch is in the download thread. Apply after the patch.

SaberHRE · Jun 5, 2008

Hey!

You guys did a great job! Thank you for your effort!

I was wondering whether you could also change the current Piasts in 1337 scenario.

The situation is:

Kazimierz Piast(current king of poland) was son of one Wladyslaw. This one was son of Kazimierz, a brother to Leszek the Black and another Kazimierz. Currently some fictional characters have appeared in CK instead of them. I noticed this first time :wacko: (and I played CK for a while now), mainly because I started a campaign as Poland.

Also it would be nice if you could also connect the various Piasts of Mazovia, Silesia and Pommerania together(the Gryfita dynasty is allegedly descended from Boleslaw Wrymouth).

aylo1 · Jun 8, 2008

Geor 1337

Been a while since I posted here since most of my free time is spent in the Eu2 Forums..Anyway made some adjustments to the Georgian Bagratids..

#Added Giorgi V's nickname 'Brtskinvale' & changed his traits to reflect his personality throughout his reigns.

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66500 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Giorgi 'Brtskinvale'" #V the Brilliant[/COLOR]
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66501 } #Demetre II the Devout
	mother = { type = 10 id = 66502 }
	country = GEOR
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	score = { gold = 50 prestige = 250 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1287 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "92713108271738"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 7
		stewardship = 4
		health = 5
		fertility = 4
	}
	traits = {[COLOR=Yellow]
		deceitful = yes
		energetic = yes
		valorous = yes
		intricate_webweaver = yes[/COLOR][COLOR=Red]
		chaste = yes
		scholarly_theologian = yes[/COLOR]
	}
}

#Added 'Tavdadebuli' (the Devout\Self-Sacrificing), fixed spelling for Demetre II & changed traits to better reflect his character.

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66501 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Demetre 'Tavdadebuli'" #II the Devout[/COLOR]
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66514 }
	country = GEOR
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1247 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1289 month = october day = 14 }
	dna = "62123865971449"
	attributes = {
		martial = 7
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 8
	}
	traits = {[COLOR=Yellow]
		lustful = yes 
		reckless = yes 
		zealous = yes 
		proven_dealbreaker = yes [/COLOR][COLOR=Red]
		hunchback = yes
		flamboyant_schemer = yes[/COLOR]
	}
}

#Linked Natela to rest of Djakeli family (created by me)

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66502 }
	name = "Natela"
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 42 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	father = { type = 10 id = 66750 } #Beka I Djakeli[/COLOR]
	country = GEOR
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1252 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "44120491201799"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 6
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 4
		fertility = 6
	}
	traits = {
		selfish = yes
		martial_cleric = yes
	}
}

#Corrected spelling of Davit IX's name

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66503 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Davit" #IX[/COLOR]

#Demoted Andronik Bagratuni to courtier & relocated to GEOR. Elder son 'Giorgi' now half-brother Giorgi VI 'Mtsire' while remaining son 'David' renamed 'Giorgi Didi' (Giorgi the Great - Duke of Alastani 1354-73)

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66510 }
	name = "Andronik"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66511 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 77515 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	country = GEOR[/COLOR]
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1293 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "06451065771130"
	attributes = {
		martial = 4
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 6
		health = 4
		fertility = 4
	}
	traits = {
		proud = yes
		flamboyant_schemer = yes
	}
}

#Fixed spelling of David VIII's name. Severed ties to Natela Djakeli (stepmother not mother)

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66511 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Davit" #VIII[/COLOR]
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66501 } #Demetre II[COLOR=Red]
	mother = { type = 10 id = 66502 }[/COLOR]
	country = GEOR
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1268 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1311 month = december day = 21 }
	dna = "99728000721033"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 8
		intrigue = 7
		stewardship = 5
		health = 8
		fertility = 4
	}
	traits = {
		lustful = yes
		trusting = yes
		proven_dealbreaker = yes
	}
}

#Changed from grandson of Davit VIII to son Giorgi VI 'Mtsire' & adjusted birth\deathdate

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66512 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Giorgi 'Mtsire'" #VI the Young 
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66511 }
	country = GEOR[/COLOR]
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian[COLOR=Yellow]
	birthdate = { year = 1308 month = january day = 1 } #1323
	deathdate = { year = 1313 month = january day = 1 }[/COLOR]
	dna = "25935216355693"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 6
		intrigue = 8
		stewardship = 5
		health = 6
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		trusting = yes
		court_education = yes
	}
}

#Andronik's son 'David' now 'Giorgi Didi' (Giorgi the Great - Duke of Alastani 1354-73)

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66513 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Giorgi Didi" #David[/COLOR]

#Added 'bastard' trait to Davit Ulu & fixed spelling of name.

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66514 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Davit Ulu" #VII [/COLOR]
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66515 }
	country = GEOR
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1210 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1270 month = october day = 14 }
	dna = "62456361238659"
	attributes = {
		martial = 7
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {[COLOR=Yellow]
		bastard = yes[/COLOR]
		tough_soldier = yes
	}
}

#Corrected name from 'David' to 'Giorgi' Lasha. Updated traits to reflect personality. Also fixed his dad's name (ie. Davit Soslan)

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66515 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Giorgi Lasha" #IV[/COLOR]
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66516 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 66517 }
	country = GEOR
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1192 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1223 month = october day = 14 }
	dna = "60456300632459"
	attributes = {
		martial = 9
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {[COLOR=Yellow]
		chaste = yes 
		sceptical = yes 
		war_invalid = yes [/COLOR]
		knowledged_tactician = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66516 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Davit Soslan"[/COLOR]

#Rusudan I given 'suspicious' trait for her imprisonment of nephew Davit Ulu.

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66518 }
	name = "Rusudan" #I 
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66516 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 66517 }
	country = GEOR
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1195 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1245 month = october day = 14 }
	dna = "60463654304563"
	attributes = {
		martial = 4
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {[COLOR=Yellow]
		suspicious = yes [/COLOR]
		proven_accountant = yes
	}
}

#Corrected David to Davit. Added traits to reflect character.

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66519 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Davit Narin" #VI[/COLOR] 
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 66518 }
	country = IMER
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1225 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1293 month = october day = 14 }
	dna = "04630063362459"
	attributes = {
		martial = 4
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {[COLOR=Yellow]
		stubborn = yes 
		trusting = yes 
		flamboyant_schemer = yes[/COLOR][COLOR=Red]
		proven_accountant = yes[/COLOR]
	}
}

#Gave Bagrat his nickname 'Mtsire' & made younger (was underage when deposed by Giorgi V (1330)). Wedding to daughter of Qvarqvare Djakeli (ca 1358) makes more sense too.

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66520 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Bagrat 'Mtsire'" #the Little[/COLOR] 
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66521 }
	country = IMER
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	score = { gold = 25 prestige = 250 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1326 month = january day = 1 } #1301
	dna = "83030504791191"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 4
		fertility = 6
	}
	traits = {[COLOR=Yellow]
		court_education = yes[/COLOR][COLOR=Red]
		lustful = yes
		proven_dealbreaker = yes[/COLOR]
	}
}

#Corrected name & gave 'rebellious' trait to reflect relations with brother Konstantini of Imereti (not in CK)

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66521 }[COLOR=Yellow]
	name = "Mikeli" #Mikael[/COLOR]
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 507 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66519 }
	country = IMER
	religion = Orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1269 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1329 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "41472343164728"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 7
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {[COLOR=Yellow]
		rebellious = yes[/COLOR]
		tough_soldier = yes
	}
}

#My creations

#Djakeli (42) (sometimes spelt Jakeli\Jaqeli) of Samtskhe-Saatabago (For purposes of CK I've made them Counts of Guria C677 & Princes of Kartli DGEO).

#NOTE - Some names (Kaikhosro, Manuchar & Gulkan) are substituted from their better documented descendants to fill in the gaps. If anyone has the correct info pls let me know or update my work

Code:

character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66750 }
	name = "Beka" #I 
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 42 }
	country = DGEO
	religion = orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1216 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1270 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "37185813128523"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		gregarious = yes
		fortune_builder = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66751 }
	name = "Kaikhosro" #OR Kaikhushru
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 42 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66750 } #Beka I Djakeli
	country = DGEO
	religion = orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1257 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1305 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "01080018136605"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		lazy = yes
		proud = yes
		amateurish_pettifogger = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66752 }
	name = "Qvarqvare" #OR Kvarkvare
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 42 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66751 }
	country = DGEO
	religion = orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	score = { gold = 25 prestige = 250 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1289 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "01000810146610"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		energetic = yes
		hostile = yes
		pragmatic = yes
		martial_cleric = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66753 }
	name = "Sindukhtar" #Weds Davit IX
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 42 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66752 }
	country = DGEO
	religion = orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1329 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "03040409081701"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		court_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66754 }
	name = "Manuchar" #OR Mamuka
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 42 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66752 }
	country = DGEO
	religion = orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1331 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "07040005116609"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		martial_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 66755 }
	name = "Gulkan" #Weds Bagrat 'Mtsire' of Imereti
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 42 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 66752 }
	country = DGEO
	religion = orthodox
	culture = Georgian
	birthdate = { year = 1334 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "07020404091708"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		ecclesiastical_education = yes
	}
}

#Revised Setups

#To 1337_scenario.eug

Code:

	DGEO = { 
		gender = male
		type = duchy
		dna = "01000810146610" 
		title = { DGEO [COLOR=Yellow]C677[/COLOR] }
	}
	GEOR = { 
		gender = male
		type = kingdom
		dna = "92713108271738"
		title = { GEOR C676 [COLOR=Yellow]C679[/COLOR] }
	}

#To 1337_scenario_countries

Code:

country = { 
	tag = GEOR
	form_of_goverment = feudal
	capital = 676
	ruler = {
		startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 1 }
		character = { type = 10 id = 66500 }
	}
	controlledprovinces = {
		676 [COLOR=Yellow]679[/COLOR]
	}
	laws = {
		salic_gavelkind_law = yes
		traditional_custom_law = yes
		regal_supremacy = yes
	}
}
country = { 
	tag = DGEO
	form_of_goverment = feudal
	capital = [COLOR=Yellow]677[/COLOR]
	ruler = {
		startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 1 }
		character = { type = 10 id = [COLOR=Yellow]66752[/COLOR] }
	}
	controlledprovinces = {
		[COLOR=Yellow]677[/COLOR]
	}
}

#To 1337_scenario_titles

Code:

title = { 
	tag = C677
	tier = county
	liege = DGEO
	holder = { character = { type = 10 id = [COLOR=Yellow]66752[/COLOR] } startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
}
title = { 
	tag = C679
	tier = county
	liege = GEOR
	holder = { character = { type = 10 id = [COLOR=Yellow]66500[/COLOR] } startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
}
title = { 
	tag = DGEO
	tier = duchy
	liege = GEOR
	holder = { character = { type = 10 id = [COLOR=Yellow]66752[/COLOR] } startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
}

jordarkelf · Jun 9, 2008

Update delayed to later this week (hopefully).

I'm swamped with RL work.

Advantage is that aylo1's update will make it in

unmerged(19860) · Jun 12, 2008

Install Order?

Hey there!

I love CK, and adore this mod -- but with all of the patches, beta patches, versions and add-on mods (and a hotfix); what would a proper install order be?

Thanks so much for continuing to make CK even better!

Veldmaarschalk · Jun 12, 2008

1. CK (doesn't matter which version)
2. DV
3. DV 2.1 beta patch of June 2nd
4. DVIP
5. Hot-fix
6. Break-free mod (optional)
7. More Kingdoms mod (optional)

unmerged(19860) · Jun 13, 2008

Excellent!

That went just swimmingly.

unmerged(59452) · Jun 13, 2008

I believe Scots should be named just that, and that Scottish Gaelic should be merged with Irish, as the two languages were pretty much one and the same in the given timeframe.

Thought should also be given to the spread of Scots. I have no doubt that the melting pot could be finetuned as not to touch the Highlands (incl. Atholl) and Carrick.

phillosopher · Jun 13, 2008

So with the new patch out is it compatiable with this mod, and can I just hit the patch or would I have to re-install the whole deal?

unmerged(19860) · Jun 13, 2008

I wonder if patching, then re-applying dvip + hotfix would do it?

I'm going to hold off a bit, though.

jordarkelf · Jun 14, 2008

9.5 is out.

Install order:
1. CK (doesn't matter which version)
2. Deus Vult
3. DV 2.1 beta patch of June 13th
4. DVIP 9.5
5. Break-free mod (optional)
6. More Kingdoms mod (optional)

When upgrading from a previous DVIP (with or without other mods):
1. Beta patch of friday the 13th
2. DVIP 9.5

The one real difference with the most recent if the event fixes in the beta patches is how the "province improvement burned during siege" event is fixed -- I check for the province owner and let it fire for him, so the right person is always targeted, whereas the official mod just checks random_enemy. This works the same way usually, unless you're fighting multiple enemies (it could fire for an enemy whose provinces are not under siege at all). I prefer having it only fire for an enemy who actually has provinces under siege...

unmerged(59452) · Jun 14, 2008

The 1066 doesn't seem to be working at all with this new version - the game simply freezes when the scenario starts loading.

jordarkelf · Jun 14, 2008

Works for me. It does take a while before it first loads -- the scenario is much larger than the vanilla one.

How long did you wait?

unclemestor · Jun 14, 2008

jordarkelf said:
Works for me. It does take a while before it first loads -- the scenario is much larger than the vanilla one.

How long did you wait?

It froze on me too

I waited a few mins, should it take longer than that? I suppose I can just leave it running to check

edit: I just ran it again and waited 20+ mins, no result it just hung on reading scenario

I tried this with the 1066 scenario as the Duke of Northumbria (northumberland?), I wasn't loading a savegame or anything, and I dont have any other CK/DV mods installed (aside from the latest beta patch)

The game had no trouble loading up the duke of northumbria before i added the DVIP for what its worth

I have not tried DVIP before so I can't say if previous versions worked or not

Deus Vult Improvement Pack - Discussion

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Captain

Buckler of Wales

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Captain

Captain

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Sergeant

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Sergeant

Private

Major

Sergeant

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Private

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Second Lieutenant