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@Veld: Wow. Lots of additions! Will playtest them some.

@Hasimir: Gallo Bretons are mostly changed, but not all Penteurs in 1066. Some sources list them as Breton speaking at the time. In 1066 the dynasty is split between a Breton (Penteur) and Gallo (de Penthièvre) branch. 1187 -- all de Penthièvre and Gallo.
 
jordarkelf said:
MARK

@Veld: Wow. Lots of additions! Will playtest them some.

@Hasimir: Gallo Bretons are mostly changed, but not all Penteurs in 1066. Some sources list them as Breton speaking at the time. In 1066 the dynasty is split between a Breton (Penteur) and Gallo (de Penthièvre) branch. 1187 -- all de Penthièvre and Gallo.
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Ok but don't you find weird to have 2 different names in the same dynasty?
 
A little, but it's better than the alternative of having an Guiomarc'h de Penthièvre or a Francois Penteur...
I used the same dynastic split for the Scottish Dunkelds - in 1066 they're using the Gaelic name, but in the 1187 scenario the current branch uses Dunkeld. If you go up the tree you find the Gaelic name again.
 
Il-khanate:

1337 - Musa (the Puppet) should be made to a courtier with a claim to the throne and moved outside Baghadad. His rule ended in 7/24/1336, before the scenerio begins and he had to flee.

New setup:

Captial: Tabriz
Ruler: (current count should be made king)
Ruler Stats/Traits:
6/3/2/4/8/8 - realm duress, weak-willed, modest, coward, Sunni, court education.. (his stats are WAAAYYY to high for a child puppet monarch).

Baghdad - current ruler is correct, but should be changed
Traits: add: amiable, pragmatic, loyal
remove: rebellious

Every other duke-level tier should be rebellious except him.

Delsad Katun
- married to Hasan Burzag
Stats/Traits: add: stress_symptom
Probably should be moved to his court

new:
female
daughter of Delsad Katun
birth: 1.1.1337
traits: bastard
Stats: 2/6/6/6/8/8 - feel free to ignore, but since since she's a starting child she should have finished stats.
 
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jordarkelf are you going to add Jinnai's Horde & Timurid Empire Mod to dvip?
 
More dynasties

I found some medieval finnish noble family names on wikipedia, that might be useful for that region:

Särkilax, Tavast, Karp, Horn, Villnäs, Kurk of Laukko, Lepaa, Fincke, Dufva, Harviala, Sydänmaa, Karppalainen, Boije, Hästesko, Jägerhorn af Spurila, Pora (Spore),Gesterby and Sarvlax, as well as foreign-originated but establishedly Finlandic: Danske, Fleming, Frille, Bidz and Diekn

Source
 
jordarkelf said:
I used the same dynastic split for the Scottish Dunkelds - in 1066 they're using the Gaelic name, but in the 1187 scenario the current branch uses Dunkeld. If you go up the tree you find the Gaelic name again.
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Have you thought of renaming David Huntingdon to David Dunkeld ?

In the 1187-scenario, the king of Scotland is William 'the Lion' Dunkeld, his first heir is his younger brother who is named David Huntingdon, This can mean that if king William dies without issue it is game over for the human-player.
 
I've already renamed the father, not sure about David or his sisters though.
David started a new line after all...

The player already gets an alert that his heir is of another dynasty.

It seems the name Huntington is incorrect for Huntingdon though.
 
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hyme said:
jordarkelf are you going to add Jinnai's Horde & Timurid Empire Mod to dvip?
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Right now I still have to figure out the White Horde/Blue Horde setup for 1337.

Also i am planning to redo the disentegration event series as well as some golden age series and settling down series, etc. most of which will be tied specifically to having mongol culture. Some mongol & kingdom, mongol & duchy, mongol & county. A few might not fit those, but not many.
 
#Finnish noble families
dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200001 }
name = "Särkilax"
province = { 381 384 385 386 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200002 }
name = "Tavast"
province = { 383 391 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200003 }
name = "Karp"
province = { 381 382 383 384 385 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200004 }
name = "Kankas" # Horn family
province = { 381 382 383 384 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200005 }
name = "Villnäs"
province = { 391 392 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200006 }
name = "Kurki af Laukko"
province = { 383 391 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200007 }
name = "Lepaa"
province = { 381 382 384 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200008 }
name = "Fincke"
province = { 384 385 386 387 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200009 }
name = "Dufva"
province = { 386 387 388 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 2000010 }
name = "Harviala"
province = { 382 383 384 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200011 }
name = "Sydänmaa"
province = { 381 382 383 384 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200012 }
name = "Karppalainen" # family started in year 1407
province = { 382 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200014 }
name = "Jägerhorn af Spurila"
province = { 382 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200015 }
name = "Spore"
province = { 389 390 391 392 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200016 }
name = "Gesterby"
province = { 382 383 384 }

dynasty = {
id = ( type = 12 id = 200017 }
name = "Sarvlax"
province = { 382 388 389 390 391 392 }
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I have made the finnish medieval dynasties into the right format (I think), and assigned them to the regions where I could find information that they were based or most likely based. Most seems to have the earliest recordings from the 12th and 13th century, though I would guess most are older than that.

I hope they are useful. I will check out some Byzantine, Armenian and Hungarian dynasties tomorrow.
 
Need to add the dynasty name Buchanan ... Gaelic for of Buchan... and change the dynasty 'of Buchan' to Buchanan. Also, need to create a reoccuring generic dynasty Buchanan to generate in Buchan too, possibly in all of Scotland to be honest, as it is both the Gaelic form and the Scottish form of the same name.

Tis funny I did not catch this before! Buchanan is one of the most popular Scottish Gaelic names even today! lol.

I did a search and could not find Buchanan in the list at all.

One other thing: On your change list, did you note/add that you added generic Cornish dynasty names to the provance of Cornwall?

Edit: Also, I was curious if there was a trade route between Fife and anywhere? I was reading up on the history of Fife during this periode and was amazed that it was the leading econimic and trading hub for Scotland.... with significant trade between there and the Netherlands. I do not know yet though if it was greater the Berwick. I suspect it was though for our periode in question.
 
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Tempest: bracket issues asides, that's the perfect format for them. Thanks a million :)

Drach: Cornish dynasties -- ehm... there's the following ones now:
Carew (4013), Basset (4014), and a few of the English/Norman ones that spawn everywhere in England. If there were more, I must've missed them.

Buchanan: will add the dynasty. "Of Buchan" family members in 1187 will also be changed.
 
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jordarkelf said:
Tempest: bracket issues asides, that's the perfect format for them. Thanks a million :)

Drach: Cornish dynasties -- ehm... there's the following ones now:
Carew (4013), Basset (4014), and a few of the English/Norman ones that spawn everywhere in England. If there were more, I must've missed them.

Buchanan: will add the dynasty. "Of Buchan" family members in 1187 will also be changed.
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Sorry for the brackets ...I didn't even see that ...I just copied the format from the CK modding guide :)

I'll make sure they are done properly for the next round of dynasties.
 
This was my orgional post. Clearly we do not need this many dynasty names for Cornwall, but I do think we should remove all Anglo-Norman dynasty names from Cornwall in favor of these Anglized Cornish names. You can see the root and commonality between Cornish, Breton, and Welsh in them as well... which for me is neat.

Drachenfire said:
Updating Cornish


I know we do not have any extra tags for a one-provance culture, however I feel that the Cornish culture of Cornwall should be represented by Breton rather then by Welsh.

Having studied the Cornish language, it is far closer in spelling to Breton then Welsh. I feel Cornish culture can be best represented using Breton culture and a targeted Cornish generic dynasty naming list.

Please, can we review this?


Generic Names for Cornwall (Provance 31)

Additionally, I would like to revisit the Cornish generic dynasty names for Cornwall. Currently, the generic names for Cornwall are all largely Norman-French and more generic for England proper. I would like to remove them from Cornwall, and replace the Cornish generic names with Cornish specific. Here is a list of some of the names that can be added. Origionating from Welsh evangelicals who moved to Cornwall, these generic names are more or less the modern versions of Cornish-Welsh with English influence. We would need to remove 31 from all of the generic dynasties naming list to prevent inappropriate Norman-French generic dynasties from appearing there.

These are place names for early Cornish churches.

St. Ive
St Endellion
St. Minver
St. Teath
St. Mabyn
Marham
St. Wenn
St. Keyne
St. Issey
Morwenstow
St. Clether
Egloskerry
Advent
Lelant

Additional names that may serve as Cornish sirnames> These are from this Cornish hereitage site sit:


Abell :from ap Bell
Allen :from personal surname Allen, common in Cornwall and Brittany
Anderwarth :an (t)dre (gw)wartha, the upper homestead (t mutates to d) (gw mutates to w
Angarreck :an (c)garrek, the large rock (c mutates to g)
Angwim : an gwyn, the white or fair (man)
Anneer :an hyr, the long or tall (man), or poss: an ewre, the goldsmith
Arscott : harscoet, iron shield
Bain, Bane, or Bean :byan, little
Baricoat :bar-i-cos, over the wood
Barnicoat:
Basset :bassya, become lower, short stature?
Beswetherick
Bice
Bysse
Bevan
Brook : brough, badger
Canauc
Cleder
Dean :from den, meaning man
Derry :from derow, meaning oak grove
Dynham :hillfort
Dilic
Dow :from du, black
Endean :from an den, meaning 'The Man'
Endilent
Evans :Cornish and Welsh for son of John
Glynn :Glen
Gwynn: White
Hale: hal, moor
Hancock :ancestor
Haynes: from hen, meaning old
Hellyer: huntsman
Helie
Innes, Innis : from enys... Island
Julyan :Julian
Keen : ky-yn, little dog or poss: cun, dogs
Kelynack: holly grove
Kemp :from Kempen... neat and tidy
Kenhender
Keri
Kereve
Kerewe
Maddock :From Cornish, Welsh Madoc
Mabon
Merrick :from moreck, meaning meretime
Menfre
Merewenne
Morewenna
Nectan
Tamalanc
Tedda
Rowe
Wencu
Wenheden
Wensent
Wynup
Yse
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Did some more research and here's the proposed changes. A few things changed since my last statement, mostly only 1 person should get rebellious at start and new daughter should not be bastard since i found her father (and added relevant marriage references). Also Delsad Katun has had her money given to Hasan. Since she was already pregnant can't see her not giving what money she had as a dowry.

Also Hasan is now modest as well. Gave this because he had the chance to rule himself (or attempt to) numerous times, but he cared more about restoring order (Ilkhanate preferably, but a centralized state if not), than ruling himself.

Not sure how to represent Hasan Burzag's friendship Sharaf al-Din since the latter is dead...but it had lasting impact...lasting beyond even CK.

The new daughter of Delsad Katun doesn't have a name or id.
Code: 
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 78000 }
	name = "Musa"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100646 }
	[COLOR=Yellow]country = C714[/COLOR]
	religion = moslem
	culture = mongol
	score = { gold = 450 prestige = [COLOR=Yellow]-25[/COLOR] piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1315 month = january day = 0 }
	dna = "00000203000005"
	attributes = {
		martial = 4
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 4
		fertility = 1
	}
	traits = {
		misguided_warrior = yes
		trusting = yes
[COLOR=DimGray]		realm_duress = yes
[/COLOR]		energetic = yes
		sunni = yes
	}
}
Code: 
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 78030 }
	name = "Mohammad"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100667 }
	[COLOR=Yellow]country = ILKH[/COLOR]
	religion = moslem
	culture = mongol
	score = { gold = 100 prestige = 250 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1327 month = january day = 0 }
	dna = "56688887828275"
	attributes = {
		[COLOR=Yellow]martial = 4
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 6[/COLOR]
		health = 8
		fertility = 8
	}
	traits = {
		court_education = yes
		[COLOR=PaleTurquoise]realm_duress = yes[/COLOR]
		sunni = yes
	}
}
Code: 
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 78040 }
	name = "Hasan"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 101914 }
	country = MBAG
	religion = moslem
	culture = mongol
	score = { gold = [COLOR=Yellow]650[/COLOR] prestige = 250 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1305 month = january day = 0 }
	dna = "04040704050003"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 9
		intrigue = 9
		stewardship = 6
		health = 4
		fertility = 4
	}
	traits = {
		[COLOR=PaleTurquoise]amiable = yes
		modest = yes
		pragmatic = yes[/COLOR]
		energetic = yes
		[COLOR=Yellow]loyalist = yes[/COLOR]
		intricate_webweaver = yes
		sunni = yes
	}
}
Code: 
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 78041 }
	name = "Delsad Katun"
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 101912 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 78003 }
	country = MBAG
	religion = moslem
	culture = mongol
	score = { [COLOR=Yellow]gold = 0 prestige = 50[/COLOR] piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1319 month = january day = 0 }
	dna = "04000403000004"
	impregnationdate = "13360500"
	childs_father = { type = 10 id = 78006 }
	attributes = {
		martial = 7
		diplomacy = 6
		intrigue = 7
		stewardship = 7
		health = 4
		fertility = 4
	}
	traits = {
		amateurish_pettifogger = yes
		[COLOR=PaleTurquoise]stress_symptom = yes[/COLOR]
		sunni = yes
	}
}
Code: 
[COLOR=PaleTurquoise]character = {
	id = { type = 10 id =  }
	name = ""
	gender = female
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 101916 }
	country = MBAG
	father = { type = 10 id = 78006 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 78041 }
	religion = moslem
	culture = mongol
	score = { gold =0 prestige = 0 piety = 0 }
	birthdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 }
	dna = "00000203000005"
	attributes = {
		martial = 2
		diplomacy = 6
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 6
		health = 4
		fertility = 4
	}
}[/COLOR]
Code: 
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 78033 }
	name = "Hasan"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id = 101912 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 78001 }
	country = QOMA
	religion = moslem
	culture = mongol
	score = { gold = 200 prestige = 250 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1319 month = january day = 0 }
	dna = "04000403050003"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 8
		stewardship = 7
		health = 3
		fertility = 4
	}
	traits = {
		[COLOR=PaleTurquoise]rebellious = yes[/COLOR]
		intricate_webweaver = yes
		deceitful = yes
		wise = yes
		sunni = yes
	}
}
Code: 
country = {
	tag = ILKH
	form_of_goverment = feudal
	capital = [COLOR=Yellow]667[/COLOR]
	ruler = {
		startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 1 }
		character = { type = 10 id = [COLOR=Yellow]78030 [/COLOR]}
	}
	controlledprovinces = {
		646
		658
		659
	}
	laws = {
		semisalic_consanguinity_law = yes
		traditional_custom_law = yes
		ecclesical_balance = yes
	}
}
Code: 
title = {
	tag = C646
	tier = county
	liege = ILKH
	holder = { character = { type = 10 id = [COLOR=Yellow]78030 [/COLOR]} startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
}
Code: 
title = {
	tag = C658
	tier = county
	liege = ILKH
	holder = { character = { type = 10 id = [COLOR=Yellow]78030 [/COLOR]} startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
}
Code: 
title = {
	tag = C659
	tier = county
	liege = ILKH
	holder = { character = { type = 10 id = [COLOR=Yellow]78030 [/COLOR]} startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
}
Code: 
title = {
	tag = ILKH
	tier = kingdom
	liege = ----
	holder = { character = { type = 10 id = 78000 } startdate = { [COLOR=Yellow]year = 1336 month = july day = 24[/COLOR] } }
	[COLOR=PaleTurquoise]holder = { character = { type = 10 id = 78030 } startdate = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }[/COLOR]
	claim = { id = { type = 14712 id = 90100 } character = { type = 10 id = 78032 } date = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
	claim = { id = { type = 14712 id = 90101 } character = { type = 10 id = 78026 } date = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
	claim = { id = { type = 14712 id = 90102 } character = { type = 10 id = 78030 } date = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
	claim = { id = { type = 14712 id = 90103 } character = { type = 10 id = 78041 } date = { year = 1337 month = january day = 0 } }
}
Code: 
	[COLOR=PaleTurquoise]marrige = { 
		primary = { type = 10 id = 78040 }
		secondary = { type = 10 id = 78041 }
		startdate = { year = 1312 month = january day = 1 }
}
	marrige = { 
		primary = { type = 10 id = 78006 }
		secondary = { type = 10 id = 78041 }
		startdate = { year = 1312 month = january day = 1 }
	}[/COLOR]
Code: 
[COLOR=PaleTurquoise]	rival = { 
		primary = { type = 10 id = 78000 }
		secondary = { type = 10 id = 78040 }
		startdate = { year = 1336 month = january day = 1 }
	}[/COLOR]
 
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@Templier: thanks... hadn't noticed that I forgot to change that back in the IP. I use the U001 tag for the Spanish Knight orders there. Will fix in the next release.

@Jinnai: will be included. Thanks for the research!

@Drach: Can you narrow it down to 2 or 3? 10+ dynasties for a single province is excessive. Of the existing ones, Basset is also on your list. Carew is not mentioned, but sounds Celtic to me.
 
Pksov??

I just saw that Pskov (PROV413) is mis-spelled in the province file in the db-folder, as Pksov.

I am not sure where this will show in the game though.
 
Hungarian + Croatian dynasties

Here are a few more noble families that were around in CK timeframe. I have again assigned them to the provinces they lived in or at least approximated it :)

# Hungarian dynasties

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200030 }
name = "Báthory" # from counties Szatmár & Szabolcs
province = { 523 537 538 539 540 } #Heves, Bereg, Abaúj,Szekelyföld, Máramaros

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200031 }
name = "Batthyány" #from Güssing 1398
province = { 445 450 454 } #Vas, Sopron, Pressburg

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200032 }
name = "Csesznegi"# from Vesprem
province = { 444 451 } #Ezstergom, Féjer

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200033 }
name = "Esterházy"
province = { 442 525 } #Orava, Tréncin

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200034 }
name = "Garai" # from Gorjani
province = { 453 454 460 462 505 517 518 } #Varadzin, Krizevci, Szekezfehervar, Bacs, Temes, Vas, Belgrade
# Could be argued that another dynasty called Garay is used for the serbian territories. Same family though

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200035 }
name = "Hunyadi" #Originated in Wallachia
province = { 514 515 516 519 520 540 } #Turnu, Severin, Tirgoviste,Fehér,Bihar, Szekelyföld

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200036 }
name = "Hajdú"
province = { 520 521 522 523 } #Pest, Bihar, Heves, Csanad

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200037 }
name = "Jesenský" #from Túróc
province = { 442 443 524 525 533 } #Trencín, Orava, Saris, Gemer, Nitra

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200038 }
name = "Kán" #From Siklós
province = { 452 460 461 462 517 518 521 } #Pecs, Csanad, Bacs, Temes, Varadzin, Krizevci, Zagreb

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200039 }
name = "Lacković" #had holdings in Hungary, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria
province = { 453 454 460 499 500 501 505 506 507 519 520 540 } #Varadzin, Vas, Szekezfehervar, Fehér, Bihar, Szekelyföld, Belgrade, Vidin,
#Nikopolis, Serdica, Tyrnovo

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200040 }
name = "Medveczky" #from Dolný Kubín
province = { 440 441 442 525 } #Orava, Trencin, Ostrava, Opava

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200041 }
name = "Rákóczi"
province = { 519 520 521 540 } # Csanad, Bihar, Fehér, Szekelyföld

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200042 }
name = "Wass de Czege" # From Transylvania
province = { 520 521 522 523 537 538 539 540 } #Pest, Heves, Bihar, Maramaros, Szekelyföld, Fehér, Bereg, Abauj

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200043 }
name = "Szapolyai"
province = { 450 451 453 454 } #Sopron, Fejér, Vas, Szekezfehervar

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200044 }
name = "Zichy"
province = { 443 444 445 450 } #Pressburg, Esztergom, Nitra, Sopron

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200045 }
name = "Zrinski" #Branch of Subic dynasty
province = { 454 460 461 462 463 464 466 } # Zagreb, Varadzin, Vas, Usora, Rama, Krizevci, Senj, Zachlumia

#Croatian Dynaties

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200050 }
name = "Šubić" #Bribir (Dalmatia)
province = { 460 461 462 463 464 466 }# Zagreb, Varadzin, Usora, Rama, Krizevci, Senj, Zachlumia

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 200051 }
name = "Frankopan"
province = { 458 459 461 464 465 }# Veglia, Istria, Senj, Zagreb, Zadar
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