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I know what to offer for Japan! We can give workers, we just need arrest that 20 % communists and send them to work for Japanese!!
Miihkali said:
Those communists may be criminals, but they are still citizens of Cantonia.
Sir Kenny said:
They are not even criminals.
Also I would like to pose the question of whether or not a claim on Cambodia is rightful. Are the Cambodians relatives of Cantonese?
Also what role would Siam play in a possible future Canto-Japanese conflict?
Crush3r said:
Siam is big, but got weak military forces. A war against them would take alot of time.
I'd say we get Siam on our side, so we wont have to fight on two fronts.
Miihkali : Actually Cantonia is trading tons of resources to Japan to exchange blueprints and other stuffs, and Gaan Gwok-dung doesn't want to pay ever more than that to claim those lands.
Crush3r : Cambodia should be part of Khmer Empire, but not part of Vietnam. However, Tai People (Siam), Lao People(Laos), Shan People(Shan State, Burma), even the Taiwanese People can be considered relatives from ancient Yue People. So I think adding cores at Cambodia should be reasonable.
About Siam in the Canto-Japanese War, I think they might join Japanese, but they are not a threat anyway. If the Canto-Japanese War is later than the Japanese-Allies War, I think Siam might be annexed by Britian. :rofl:
Sir Kenny : Sima is not that big though. But I agree that peace with Siam would be much better. But if it's impossible, I still have another plan too. The mountainous terrain at Wan'naam blocked several ways, and Cantonia only need to block three provinces(Haiphong and other two provinces) to stop Siamese attacks. However, that means we will have to give up Vietnam for a while.
Crush3r : Cambodia should be part of Khmer Empire, but not part of Vietnam. However, Tai People (Siam), Lao People(Laos), Shan People(Shan State, Burma), even the Taiwanese People can be considered relatives from ancient Yue People. So I think adding cores at Cambodia should be reasonable.
About Siam in the Canto-Japanese War, I think they might join Japanese, but they are not a threat anyway. If the Canto-Japanese War is later than the Japanese-Allies War, I think Siam might be annexed by Britian. :rofl:
Sir Kenny : Sima is not that big though. But I agree that peace with Siam would be much better. But if it's impossible, I still have another plan too. The mountainous terrain at Wan'naam blocked several ways, and Cantonia only need to block three provinces(Haiphong and other two provinces) to stop Siamese attacks. However, that means we will have to give up Vietnam for a while.
Greater Cantonian Republic
Calm before the storm (4)
(1940.06.28 - 1940.10.01)
New deposits were found in an ancient abandoned mine near Cung'hing. These new materials were dig out by the government, and transported to the main storage in Gwong'zau.
After Moldova was ceded to Soviet Union, neighbours of Romania started to use the same trick. Romania didn't resist much, and three more provinces were ceded to the Axis.
Being bullied so much, Romania decided to join the Axis and try to bully others. That's what we call 'Vicious Circle'.
Voting Time
Vote available for this chapter : Slider Move
Available choices:
→Democratic for Cantonia! (towards Democratic)
(0/1)→The state must have more power to protect the people. (towards Authoritarian)
．Kane
(4/0)→We shall be more liberal. (towards Left)
．Lao Zi-feng
．Wang Tsing-fei
．Jiu Zung-jan
．Gaan Gwok-dung
→We shall be more conservative. (towards Right)
(1/0)→Police and Military should have more power to protect us. (towards Closed Society)
．Miihkali
→The government should be able to command the factories. (towards Central Planning)
→We don't need so many regular soldiers. (towards Draft Army)
→The government should be more pacifist. (towards Dove Lobby)
→We should isolate our state from others. (towards Isolationism)
Vote available for this chapter : Japanese-Allies War?
Background information : The tension between Japan and the Allies, also the USA, was increasing dramatically in this year. A war between them might outbroke in this year, and as Cantonia was still part of Japan's alliance, we would be dragged into the war then. Shall we leave the alliance when the war started?
Available choices:
→We should stay in the alliance no matter what
(4/0)→We should be neutral
．Miihkali
．Lao Zi-feng
．Wang Tsing-fei
．Jiu Zung-jan
→Switch side and declare war upon Japan
Cantonian government in October 1, 1940.
Technological status of Cantonia.
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My votes:
→Police and Military should have more power to protect us.
→We should be neutral (first we need purge our own traitors)
→Police and Military should have more power to protect us.
→We should be neutral (first we need purge our own traitors)
I vote for even more liberal reforms, and a neutral stance in the coming conflict.
Hey look, if you want a police society, why dont you resign your post as minister and move to Japan?
Miihkali said:
Hey look, if you want a police society, why dont you resign your post as minister and move to Japan?
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Now it is the time! Exit that alliance, but not declare war on Japan, let them rot, so we can later conquer the rest of China and Manchuria, and probabily Taiwan, with ease, the Allies have nothing or almost nothing of interest in these territories, so it would be wise to conquer then when Japan is down.
Aslo,We shall be more liberal. (towards Left) if we want to liberate the territories conquered by the Japanese, first we must show more freedom and equality to our people!.
Althought, it would be aslo wise to give the rest of Chinese territories (Beijing and its surroundings) to Pu-Yi under a Consitutonial Monarchy, surely some ministers would disagree on this idea, but from my point of view, Cantonia has no virtual claims on those areas.
Aslo,We shall be more liberal. (towards Left) if we want to liberate the territories conquered by the Japanese, first we must show more freedom and equality to our people!.
Althought, it would be aslo wise to give the rest of Chinese territories (Beijing and its surroundings) to Pu-Yi under a Consitutonial Monarchy, surely some ministers would disagree on this idea, but from my point of view, Cantonia has no virtual claims on those areas.
I hereby now start a new vote, to impeach Miihkali from the cabinet, and the AAR.
Reason? He's clearly a very greedy man, who wants to kill freedom and install a military dictatorship.
Impeach Miihkali?
Yes: 1
No: 0
Reason? He's clearly a very greedy man, who wants to kill freedom and install a military dictatorship.
Impeach Miihkali?
Yes: 1
No: 0
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My votes:
We should become more liberal! 1 Move to the left!
We should remain neutral in any war between Japan and the allies, and then when one side is winning join them to gain a favorable position at the peace table.
As for Sir Kenny's vote, only President Gaan Kwok-Dung has the power to call such a vote.
We should become more liberal! 1 Move to the left!
We should remain neutral in any war between Japan and the allies, and then when one side is winning join them to gain a favorable position at the peace table.
As for Sir Kenny's vote, only President Gaan Kwok-Dung has the power to call such a vote.
Rodrico Stak said:
But we can support such a measure. A Yay for me.
1 to the left but no more. And please stop calling it liberal, it leftist or socialist. Liberal is either center-left (Social Liberal) or right („Market Liberal”).
Remain neutral, at least until we get a decent fleet.
Dark Reborn, I agree, the rest of chinese territory is not a rightful Cantonian claim. We could convince the former leaders of Shanxi (by what I understand they fled the Japanese and refugeed themselfs to what is now Cantonian territory - aka insert that into storyline) to install a semi-presidential republic with a life-president (like ours). I don't know if Pu Yi is competent or especially willing enough to head such a state.
well, Pu-Yi would have only a "ceremonial" function in the governement, and aslo possiblily be the "ceremonial" commander in-chief of the armies of that country, the governement would be runned by the President, of course.
Thought, what you said is aslo a good idea, I think that our President should take in consideration these ideas.
Thought, what you said is aslo a good idea, I think that our President should take in consideration these ideas.
Jiu Zung-jan at an emergency press conference:
Reporter: „Isn't it unconstitutional to vote people out of the cabinet without public consent?”
CoN: „We are not voting anyone out directly. Let me clarify the situation. Miihkali has shown behavior that appears to be dangerous to this country, even psychotic sometimes. If the measure is successful, he will be impeached. While under impeachment, a temporary minister serves 1 month. During this time a referendum on his impeachment will be organized, when the reasons for his impeachment will be shown to the public.” (Same thing happened to our president Băsescu, he didn't get voted out, but the turnout for the vote was way less than you would have expected for such a «loved» politician)
Reporter: „Isn't it unconstitutional to vote people out of the cabinet without public consent?”
CoN: „We are not voting anyone out directly. Let me clarify the situation. Miihkali has shown behavior that appears to be dangerous to this country, even psychotic sometimes. If the measure is successful, he will be impeached. While under impeachment, a temporary minister serves 1 month. During this time a referendum on his impeachment will be organized, when the reasons for his impeachment will be shown to the public.” (Same thing happened to our president Băsescu, he didn't get voted out, but the turnout for the vote was way less than you would have expected for such a «loved» politician)
DarkReborn : Although I personally support Constitutional Monarchy, but I am afraid that not only the cabinet, but most civilians don't like Monarchy at all......
Sir Kenny : Your vote might have reasons, but please don't forget, I am the President, and only I (if not the Parliament or people of Cantonia) can start a vote to impeach someone in the cabinet.
Crush3r : Yea, maybe I would change the voting option next time.
I doubt that whether we should put a former warlord into a new seat, although he is not too bad. Also, according to discovery channel, Pu-yi is quite a benevolent gentleman, he just only born in a very bad time.
If possible, I think I might put Pu-yi back to his palace instead.
DarkReborn (2) : Yes, most Monarchs in Constitutional Monarchy have not much power (except Japan, the Meiji Constitution seems bugged) , so Pu-yi, if he reached his throne, would have little power. Also, I think the one in charge of a Constitutional Monarchy should call "Prime Minister"?
Piko & Crush3r (2) : I still doubt that we need to throw a minister in the cabinet now. If he is truly dangerous, Gaan Gwok-dung will know how to do with this.
Voting Result
Vote : Slider Move
Result:
(0/1)→The state must have more power to protect the people. (towards Authoritarian)
．Kane
(4/0)→We shall be more liberal. (towards Left)
．Lao Zi-feng
．Wang Tsing-fei
．Jiu Zung-jan
．Gaan Gwok-dung
(1/0)→Police and Military should have more power to protect us. (towards Closed Society)
．Miihkali
Vote : Japanese-Allies War?
Result:
(4/0)→We should be neutral
．Miihkali
．Lao Zi-feng
．Wang Tsing-fei
．Jiu Zung-jan
As these votes have one option received more than half vote(4), so this vote is automatically ended.
Sir Kenny : Your vote might have reasons, but please don't forget, I am the President, and only I (if not the Parliament or people of Cantonia) can start a vote to impeach someone in the cabinet.
Crush3r : Yea, maybe I would change the voting option next time.
I doubt that whether we should put a former warlord into a new seat, although he is not too bad. Also, according to discovery channel, Pu-yi is quite a benevolent gentleman, he just only born in a very bad time.
If possible, I think I might put Pu-yi back to his palace instead.
DarkReborn (2) : Yes, most Monarchs in Constitutional Monarchy have not much power (except Japan, the Meiji Constitution seems bugged) , so Pu-yi, if he reached his throne, would have little power. Also, I think the one in charge of a Constitutional Monarchy should call "Prime Minister"?
Piko & Crush3r (2) : I still doubt that we need to throw a minister in the cabinet now. If he is truly dangerous, Gaan Gwok-dung will know how to do with this.
Voting Result
Vote : Slider Move
Result:
(0/1)→The state must have more power to protect the people. (towards Authoritarian)
．Kane
(4/0)→We shall be more liberal. (towards Left)
．Lao Zi-feng
．Wang Tsing-fei
．Jiu Zung-jan
．Gaan Gwok-dung
(1/0)→Police and Military should have more power to protect us. (towards Closed Society)
．Miihkali
Vote : Japanese-Allies War?
Result:
(4/0)→We should be neutral
．Miihkali
．Lao Zi-feng
．Wang Tsing-fei
．Jiu Zung-jan
As these votes have one option received more than half vote(4), so this vote is automatically ended.
At a small-ish press conference, Guo Zhi-Feng's representative speaks with the press:
"...We would be glad to investigate mroe into the Shanghai bombing and such, but ever since the expansion of Cantonese industry and thus, our ability to research stuff, we've been sent request after request from Hong Kong, the investigation has been slowed, so we're turning the case back to military police temporarily. Any other questions?"
"Mr. Hong?"
"Yes?"
"Why exactly isn't Mr. Guo available to speak?"
"He is currently out on important business."
"Of what sort?"
"They pay us to be sneaky bastards, to put it bluntly. Mr. Guo's whereabouts and why he is where he is cannot be leaked out to the public, under any circumstances, I'm afraid. Anything else?"
"Yes, do you know Mr. Guo's stance on the Miihkali incident?"
"Why, yes. He told me that he supports Miihkali, and has also taken his stance regarding internal policy. However, he also said that that statement should be taken with a pinch of salt, it could change at anytime, considering we here in intelligence don't deal in internal affairs."
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Wouldn't Pu-Yi also not have any real power because he's a Japanese puppet?
"...We would be glad to investigate mroe into the Shanghai bombing and such, but ever since the expansion of Cantonese industry and thus, our ability to research stuff, we've been sent request after request from Hong Kong, the investigation has been slowed, so we're turning the case back to military police temporarily. Any other questions?"
"Mr. Hong?"
"Yes?"
"Why exactly isn't Mr. Guo available to speak?"
"He is currently out on important business."
"Of what sort?"
"They pay us to be sneaky bastards, to put it bluntly. Mr. Guo's whereabouts and why he is where he is cannot be leaked out to the public, under any circumstances, I'm afraid. Anything else?"
"Yes, do you know Mr. Guo's stance on the Miihkali incident?"
"Why, yes. He told me that he supports Miihkali, and has also taken his stance regarding internal policy. However, he also said that that statement should be taken with a pinch of salt, it could change at anytime, considering we here in intelligence don't deal in internal affairs."
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Wouldn't Pu-Yi also not have any real power because he's a Japanese puppet?
SeedSnatcher : Actually Pu-yi is nothing more than a prisoner when he is "in charge" of Manchukuo, and most Constitutional Monarchy don't give much power to the Monarch either. So I think Pu-yi won't receive real power anymore in his rest of life.