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So I'm calling Thomas to go all crazy on us, kill those crazy Germans, then Gabriel, then afterword begins to start state wide worship of that oh too B.A Western Emperor and then procedes to "builds" up Rome once more. Meanwhile the Mongols stare dumbfounded.

In other news: MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Komnenids in Scotland... they should Anglicise/Latinize his name though. "Anthony of Comney", perhaps? Antonius I Comnenus Rex Albae...

We should have expected Comnenids to pop up somewhere outside the Roman world eventually, but in Scotland?? And the descendants of a deposed Emperor none the less?? :D Funny...

As for Thomas, I don't think his sexual preferences would have scared Frederica. Probably he just ticked out over her nagging and screamed at her as if some nightmarish demon had taunted him... (wait wasn't there something about demons and his dad and his granddad...) :eek:o
 
Komnenostuarts... well, that was unexpected. Though I'm curious how the Komnenids wind up as the Stuarts - how do the parsimonious Scots get the brilliant idea of appointing people who have cloth-of-gold undergarments as their stewards?

Frankly, I'm surprised at the minimum of title inflation that's happened in this timeline, given that Alexios had to go inventing titles to keep the Empire happy OTL and it just got crazier from there. Have this image of the Napoleonic-era Emperor being referred to as something like "Hyperkosmokrator," though "lord beyond space and time" does make it sound like we've seated Great Cthulhu as the Equal of the Apostles, Vice-gerent of Christ, et cetera. I suspect that this timeline's title inflation is partially due to the hereditary nature of themes here. The smart money recognizes that fortunes are more likely to be made as count somewhere, where you have near-absolute authority, than in the capital's sinecure posts. I tremble at the thought of this timeline's Versailles, when some ambitious emperor reinstates Royal Prerogative and demands the re-centralization of the empire's nobility.

Regarding the Mongols... really depends a lot on the battlefield. If the Romans figure out how to combine the pike square and the hwacha, or if they just get the Mongols to stand still for one Frankish-style cavalry charge, God help the heathens, because they can't help themselves. If, on the other hand, we have another Neapolis where the boots-on-the-ground commander decides to attempt to pursue the Mongols on foot, then I'd expect a repeat of the consequences too. Of course, a monumental victory over the Mongols would give Gabriel an immense popularity boost, too.

Out of curiosity, though, what's the Empire's economy look like these days? OTL early Komnenids had some crisis-inspired inflation problems; I'm curious as to what the nomisma will buy in-story.
 
c0d5579 – Well, you’re starting to see the beginnings of the title inflation with the idea of organizing the Despotates. So far, it hasn’t happened too much, simply because the growth of the empire and the hereditary themes has kept the power hungry happy. That’s not always going to be the case—shortly the Emperor(s) will be claiming new titles for themselves simply to stay above some new developments. As for the economy, see below to the interim. :)

Leviathan07 – It was a strange place for Antemios to flee, but in game, that’s where they ended up, basically taking the role of the historical Stuart family. Eventually one branch became Dukes of Argyll and in the late 14th century, they inherited the Scottish throne by marriage. I have been debating what the family would be called in EU3—Komnenostuarts?

armoristan – Thomas would have completely flipped his lid if he does those things. And he’d have to grow a spine. :rofl:

von Sachsen – Hulagu’s historical invasion of Persia and the Mid-East was approaching 150,000 strong. Keep in mind a) 100,000 of those are cheap levies from conquered areas, and b), the tumen of Ogedei aren’t necessarily as good as the tumen of his father. His Mongol empire is engorged with subject peoples he is more than willing to exploit. That all said, like Hulagu’s real expedition this massive force will take some time to gather…


Ksim3000 – I’m working on a generations update! It’ll be done… eventually…

RGB – I think he was talking about my history. IRL, the Hungarians were by far the best equipped to stop the Mongols, part of their problem (the same problem that caused their doom against the Ottomans) was that their King couldn’t effectively mobilize the nobility in time… while the Hungarian elite dithered and argued, the Mongols were table to move their army to a pre-selected battlefield and wait. In this timeline, Mozes didn’t have that problem—he didn’t really beat the Mongols, but he battered them to a standstill…

Kirsch27 – Genghis’ death had more to do why the Mongols left so suddenly than Krakow… if it hadn’t been for his timely demise, they likely would have tried again… As for the numbers, Hulagu has basically asked Ogedei to pour the entire might of the Mongol Empire into this push (something like the real Hulagu did). While the Mongols haven’t suspended campaigning in China, it has likely been curtailed, while India has been secured, freeing up troops as well (and gaining levies). Put all together, it shouldn’t be surprising an empire that stretches from the Volga to the Yellow Sea, from India north into Siberia could put that force into the field. Probably they won’t all operate as a single army… that’d be too straining on supplies, not to mention inefficient. Hulagu however will likely have that many spread amongst two or more armies all simultaneously invading Persia…

Siin – Yeah, in real life, the Hungarians had their butts handed to them by a much much smaller Mongol force.

Servius Magnus – If the Romans can achieve that ratio of losses, they are truly gods walking on the earth! :rofl:

Fulcrumvale -That would make sense, except that even in its wartorn state, Italy is potentially very rich (and very independent minded, especially the north). Ask the Byzantophiles present—do you really want Venice running amok? :)

Qorten – The first time it was 200k, half tumen, half levy, split into three armies. As for the West, I’m sure Nikephoros is whistling innocently about now…

Vesimir – Once these interims are done, you all will find out how exactly he managed to scare her…

TC Pilot – Hey, the Bataczes (or Vatazces, as I’ve accidentally phonetically transliterated them :) ) have actually been really upstanding… both Ioannis and Isaakios have died on the battlefield in the service of the Empire…

4th Dimension[b/] – That would be a double win for Nikephoros indeed.

FlyingDutchie – I’m sure Nikephoros would be sorely distressed if he found out Sicily had been taken from his eastern cousins. I’m sure he’d also move with all deliberation to assist them in retaking things. :rofl:

Enewald – “Accidentally.” Yes. That’s the word. Nothing to see here! :)

KlavoHunter – Thomas would have likely misinterpreted the diagram as some kind of building blueprint. Several years later you would’ve had some very embarrassed Orthodox bishops staring in horror at their newly finished cathedral. :D

asd21593 – Will do!

Hawkeye1489 – Glad to see they meet your approval! Onwards and upwards!

Issac Wolfe – It is dear, naïve Thomas, so something dreadful must’ve happened…

Cecasander – When have the Mongols actually been up to good in this world! Or any CK AAR for that matter! :)


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An Empire is nothing without its cities, and the Komnenid Empire is no different. What follows is the first part of a project I started a long time ago, to catalogue the big cities of the Empire in the 13th century. The idea of population for these cities is a misnomer, however… during the medieval period, the population of a given city was not really a constant—merchants and traders would flood the city during fairs, farmers would bring their produce to town after harvest, populations would often clear out for winter. Cities then, like now, are living, breathing things—at best, these can be regarded as guestimates, and little more.

The following is my best guess to list the cities of the Empire that mid-13th century would have had over 10,000 people on average… a large number for the time. The attempt comes from a mixture of boredom and a sudden spurt of interest in historical demographics—I am an amateur, so I’m sure an expert would have a thing or two to say. :) On purpose, I’m leaving Konstantinopolis out—it will be the subject of its own interim, later on (for reasons you all will see).

Also included are little tidbits about the areas or provinces these cities are in, some with hints to things that could be of portent in the future. So sit back, and enjoy the first part of this little tour around the Empire(s) as they stand on January 1st, 1240…



CITIES OF THE BALKANS
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The Balkans, apart from Greece and Thrace, for most of the imperial history have been a hinterland in comparison to places such as Anatolia or Syria. During the early Komnenid Empire the Balkans were one of the bastions of the growing Roman state, but the civil wars that have marked the first third of the 13th century have checked that growth. In 1216 especially, the Balkan lords chose their allegiance poorly and the region suffered.

.1. THESSALONIKA.
Population (1240): 50,000

Since the days of Konstantinos, Thessalonike has been a major commercial and political hub of Greece and all of Illyria. For much of imperial history, the empire served as a co-capital, so great was its importance. Despite losing that prestigious title since the rapid expansion of the Empire, the Metropolitan of Thessalonike is still the second most revered theologian in the Patriarchate of Konstantinopolis, and its port and wharves are constantly filled with merchants and wares. Part of the Imperial demesne as an imperial city, under the control of an imperial Katepanos who reports directly to the Emperr.

.2. ATHENAI.
Population (1240): 25,000

Long removed from her pagan glories, Athens has emerged as the capital of the theme of Athenai, as well as the leading city of Greece proper. Even though Plato’s famed Academy was closed in the 7th century, the city remains a leading center of learning, and the kernel of a neo-Aristotlean school of examining the physical world is slowly emerging under the shadow of ancient giants.

.3. ADRIANOPOLIS.
Population (1240): 20,000

Capital of the theme of the same name, and second city of Thrace after Konstantinopolis. The city famously serves as the traditional marshalling ground of the Imperial armies for Balkan campaigns—a duty that is rarely needed these days. Now the city serves as an important intersection of roads linking Imperial Bulgaria, Greece, and Serbia to the capital as well as each other.

.4. RAGUSA.
Population (1240): 15,000

Once a semi-independent city state that was a vassal of the Empire during the 10th and 11th centuries, Ragusa has since been absorbed into the Empire formally, becoming a major port on the Illyrian side of the Adriatic. Ragusa, while not the capital of the theme of Dioclea, is by far its largest and most important city.

.5. KORINTHOS.
Population (1240): 15,000

Korinthos occupies a historically strategic position covering the isthmus of the same. Capital of the theme of Achaia, Korinthos serves as a weak second to the increasing light of Roman Athens inside Imperial Greece.

.6 .DYRRACHION.
Population (1240): 15,000

Dyrrachion has long been the economic hub of Epieros, and serves as capital of the theme of Dyrrachion. The city is renowned for the Walls of Anastasios, built during the 6th century and wide enough that four horsemen can ride abreast on the works.

.7. SERDICA.
Population (1240): 10,000

Serdica has gone from being a capital of the old Bulgarian khanate to now being the largest city and economic center for the lands of the Bulgars. The Bulgars themselves have long since become sedentary, settling down to become farmers and herdsmen. Serdica is the center of their trade and markets, from which goods are sent down the so called Red Road to Adrianopolis, and thence Konstantinopolis.

.8. NIKOPOLIS.
Population (1240): 10,000

Adriatic trading port. Capital of the theme of Epieros.

.9. ZARA.
Population (1240): 10,000

Adriatic trading port, and part of the Imperial desmense, ruled by a tribunos who answers to the Emperor.

.10. SPALATO.
Population (1240): 10,000

Adriatic trading port, and part of the Imperial desmense, ruled by a tribunos who answers to the Emperor.

.11. SIRMION.
Population (1240): 10,000

Sirmion has an ancient and illustrious heritage. For all of its history, it has served as a border fortress, and base for military operations across the Danube. It is also the home of Emperors… the Illyrian junta that brought the Crisis of the 3rd Century to an end were born and raised here. Today, Sirmion sits quietly in empty grandness—the Palace of Diocletian is falling into ruin, and her walls now host soldiers from the thematakoi of Croatia, not imperial legions.

.12. PHILLIPOPOLIS.
Population (1240): 10,000

Phillipopolis serves as capital of the theme of Thrake, and is the second largest administrative and population center in Thrace..

.13. LARISSA.
Population (1240): 10,000

Larissa has been the chief city of Thessalia for time immemorial, and now serves as capital of the theme of the same name.






CITIES OF ITALY
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Of all the regions of the Komnenid Empire, few have served as a battleground between competing interests as much as Italy. During the 1140s-60s, southern Italy was a contest between the Roman Empire and her Norman occupiers. In the 1190s, central and northern Italy became battlegrounds in Roman wars of conquest. Between 1202 and 1209, northern Italy broke free while southern Italy became seat of a rump empire that had to be brutally suppressed. In 1216-1220, northern Italy split into great violence during Andreas Kaukadenos’ attempted coup, and at present, parts of Italy are still under the control of Michael Komnenos, son of Bardas. Southern Italy has been fortunate—it has had all important time to recover mostly from war, with violence returning anew only recently. Northern Italy is only just starting to recover from the violence and destruction of the 1216 civil war…

.1. NAPOLI.
Population (1240 estimate): 70,000

Napoli has been the imperial center of power in southern Italy since the days of the Exarchate of Ravenna. An enormous trading port that also features a huge depot for Imperial armies, it remains a bastion of support against Michael Komnenos. Napoli has been officially designated a ‘Lesser Capital’ for Imperial visits to Italy, and its ruled by a Katepanos who manages the affairs of the city on the behalf of the Emperor.

.2. VENICE.
Population (1240): 60,000

Before 1216 Venice was an enormous trading hub, easily the queen of Adriatic trade and the gateway for eastern goods into the Germanies. The approach of Imperial armies in 1219 caused many to flee, and the city is still recovering. While her 60,000 souls are huge and impressive, they do not compare to the near 100,000 in her borders before that fateful war. Since her conquest, Venice has been designated an Imperial City, watched over by a Katepanos.

.3. PALERMO.
Population (1240 estimate): 50,000

The chief city of Imperial Sicily, grain-basket of the Italian portions of the Empire, and residence of the imperial Hypatos, or Consul, who governs the island in the Emperor’s name. Before the Imperial reconquest, Palermo paled in comparison to the cities on the east of the island. However, since the Spanish Empire’s independence, the city, along with Carthage, has come to be a common meeting ground between officials and merchants of the two realms. As such, Palermo’s villas and residences are stately and ornate, almost befitting an imperial capital, not the home of a mere governor.

.4. MESSINA.
Population (1240 estimate): 40,000

Guardian of the straits of the same, Messina is the site of the famous battle of the same where Emperor Thomas I was killed fighting his nephew Alexios I in 1202. The port still serves as a major stopping point for shipping headed west towards Barcelona. Messina itself is governed by a Council which reports to a tribunos who answers to the Hypatos of Sicily.

.5. GENOA.
Population (1240): 40,000

A major trading city before its introduction into the Empire, Genoa was one of many cities that knelt before the Empire in peace during the 12th century. She still serves as a major port for trading crawling up the north shore of the Mediterranean, and she has been fortunate to avoid most of the destruction that befell northern Italy in the last few decades. While Genoa is an imperial city, her Senate is left to run her day to day affairs, reporting to her Katepanos as needed.

.6. ROME.
Population (1240): 35,000

Once the center of the world, Rome is now a large city surrounded by even more massive ruins. The siege of 1217 has left its mark on the city, and the absence of the Papacy has left St. Peter’s Basilica bare, but its citizens have seen worse. Rome falls directly under the purview of the Imperial government, with its own Katepanos—a position that is considered a great honor in the Roman bureaucracy. A Roman Senate still exists, even at this late a date, but the body never convenes and its membership is almost completely honorary.

.7. FLORENCE.
Population (1240): 25,000

Florence has long been a hotbed of anti-imperial rhetoric in northern Italy, but the city has managed to avoid the devastation that affected places such as Milan. She is home to Nikolaios Komnenos, brother of the late Emperor Thomas II, and Prince of the Theme of Toscania. Nikolaios’ low key rule has only emboldened many of the city fathers, and its only a matter of time before they start more trouble.

.8. RAVENNA.
Population (1240): 25,000

Once capital of the West, then an Exarchate, medieval Ravenna retains the same basic quality that made it attractive in more ancient eras—its excellent defensive position. To this end, Konstantinos Chryselios, Prince of the theme of Ravenna, has made it is capital, treasurehold, and fortress. Wisely, the Price has continued to build and refurbish the city’s older ramparts, turning it into perhaps the most formidable fortress outside of Konstantinopolis…

.9. SALERNO.
Population (1240): 20,000

One of the first Italian additions to the Komnenid Emprie, Salerno hasn’t been as fortunate as some of her comrades—the city was sacked in 1210, an act from which it is still recovering. Her population is only 2/3rds what it was in 1200. Salerno is part of the imperial demesne with her own tribunos.

.10. TARANTO.
Population (1240): 15,000

The traditional Komnenid invasion point into southern Italy, Taranto has become little more than a massive armed camp, with marshalling fields for vast armies and harbor provisions for a full stolos of the Imperial Navy. As such it currently serves as the capital of Michael Komnenos, renegade Prince of Apulia and Calabria and self-declared Despotes of Italy.

.11. PISA.
Population (1240): 15,000

Part of the theme of Toscania, Pisa serves as the thematic port.

.12. BRINDISION.
Population (1240): 10,000

Ancient Roman Brindisi, part of the theme of Apulia. Sacked in 1210, and again by Adrianos Komnenos in 1239.

.13. BOLOGNA.
Population (1240): 10,000

Capital of the theme of the Po, and sacked by Bardas Komnenos in 1218. The city, while splendid, is still a shadow of itself, its famed university in ruins.

.14. VERONA.
Population (1240): 10,000

Part of the theme of the Po. Sacked in 1218.

.15. PADUA.
Population (1240): 10,000

Part of the theme of the Po. Sacked in 1218.

.16. BARI.
Population (1240): 10,000

Adriatic port, part of the theme of Apulia.

.17.MILAN.
Population (1240): 10,000

Once the capital of a powerful duchy, Milan at present is a shattered ruin of her former glory. The Milan listed is technically a new city—the site of the former rebellious city was leveled, its walls demolished and buildings burnt, and then converted into a latrine for the use of Bardas Komnenos’ armies in 1219. The new city, built half a mile from the ruins, hosts many of the survivors. Shoddily built and poorly designed, the city serves as the ramshackle capital of the local border comes.

.18. REGGIO.
Population (1240): 10,000

Largest city in Calabria, and sister port to her much larger neighbor Messina.

.18. SIRACUSA.
Population (1240): 10,000

Once the largest city on Sicily, Siracusa is today the third largest city on the island. A large trading port, the volume of grain that passes through her wharves pales in comparison to Palermo, let alone Messina.



CITIES OF THE MIDDLE EAST
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The Valley of the Two Rivers and Persia have both historically been heavily urbanized areas, a fact which remains true in the Komnenid Empire. While Persia is still recovering from the Roman conquest and attempted Mongol invasion, Mesopotamia has begun to flourish demographically. However, the Roman Empire presently controls only half of what has historically been known as Persia—while great cities such as Shiraz and Isafahan are under the banner of the double eagle, ancient metropolises like Merv, Balkh, and Heart are not. No doubt if the Mongols were not present, the Romans would be soon adding those to their banners…

.1. BAGHDAD
Population (1240 estimate): 110,000

Baghdad has recovered greatly from the wars that crisscrossed Mesopotamia during the reign of Thomas II. Her mosques, schools and government buildings remain the toast of the Middle East, as the Komnenid Empire has done little to dismantle the existing religious apparatus in the city for fear of sparking civil unrest.

While the city remains the center of Muslim scholarship in the world, it has also emerged as a nascent center for long suppressed and forgotten branches of Christianity. Most notably, the Syriac Church has moved its base to the great streets of the city, and is finding many more converts than Byzantine Orthodoxy across the region. The growth of this heretical branch of Christianity, coupled with the large remaining Muslim population, has attracted the attention of the Patriarch of Konstantinopolis, who has long been calling for some higher-level prelate to take Mesopotamia under his wing to ‘properly convert the region.’ These calls gained little traction, until the purported discovery of relics left by St. Thomas in Samarra, a “clear and unabiding indication of the inherent Christian nature of the region,” to quote the Patriarch of Jerusalem.

The former home of the Caliph’s now serves as the palace of the puppet “King of Mesopotamia,” Alexios Komnenos, son of the Prince of Edessa-Coloneia. So far the King, now 12, has exercised little of what limited duties he has—the region is effectively ruled by his father and a military junta of his father’s principal commanders. It doesn’t seem likely this arrangement will change once Alexios comes to age…

.2. ISFAHAN
Population (1240): 45,000

Isfahan has traditionally been an important trading city in southern Persia, and for a time also served as the capital of the once-monumental Seljuk Empire. While those days of imperial glory have long gone, the city is now home to the Despotate of Persia, and will likely serve as the base for Gabriel Komnenos’ defense of Persia from the oncoming hordes of Hulagu. Should Persia survive the onslaught, the city is well positioned geographically, historically, and culturally, to resume its place as a center of political importance in whatever power arrangement takes hold in Roman Persia…

.3. SHIRAZ.
Population (1240): 40,000

Like Isfahan, Shiraz has been an important political and economic center in southern Persia under the Seljuks, and will likely remain so under the Romans. Shiraz is noted for being one of the capitals of the Buwayid Sultans, and its extensive palaces and plazas make it an attractive base for a powerful ruler. Like Isfahan, it falls under the personal domains of Gabriel Komnenos, in his capacity as Despotes of Persia.

.4. TABRIZ.
Population (1240): 35,000

Capital of the theme of Tabriz, and home of the fabled Blue Mosque. Tabriz has traditionally been the chief city of Gilan—a rough and mountainous region in the northwestern parts of Persia. The local populations are still renowned for their warrior attributes, and the region was among the last to fall to the Roman conquerors in the 1230s.

.5. MOSUL.
Population (1240): 30,000

Capital of the theme of Mosul in the Kingdom of Mesopotamia, and the regional economic center for the northern areas of the same.

.6. HAMADAN.
Population (1240): 25,000

Capital of the theme of Hamadan. Hamadan in ancient times was one of the summer residences of the Parthian king, and at present Prince Thomas Dadiani has converted one of the successor Sassanid era palaces into his temporary home.

.7. RAYY.
Population (1240): 25,000

Fortress city in northeastern Persia, and site of Gabriel Komnenos’ famous defeat of Hulagu. Since then has become the lynchpin of a series of fortress cities in northeastern Persia, including Amol and Sari.

.8. KARBALA.
Population (1240): 25,000

Site of the martyrdom of Hussein, and thus the holiest site in Shi’a Islam. Also is the capital of the theme of Karbala.

.9. MAZADARAM.
Population (1240): 20,000

Fortress city in the north of Persia, capital of the theme of Mazadaram. The peoples of this region, like those of neighboring Gilan, have traditionally been tough fighters and independent minded. Historically, this region produced many generals and leaders during the Abbasid Caliphate who were secretly or openly Zoroastrian—extensive pockets of Zoroastrianism remain in the countryside, untouched by centuries of Muslim rule. This city is also the site where the purported fingers and toes of St. Bartholomew were uncovered in 1239.

.10. SAMARRA.
Population (1240): 20,000

Site of the tallest minaret in the world. Purported resting place of St. Thomas the Apostle.

.11. YAZD .
Population (1240): 15,000

Part of the theme of Shiraz. Yazd is remarkable in that it is built in the middle of what would otherwise be harsh desert—underwater aquifers and acqueducts, called qanats, keep the city’s wells full. The city is also renowned for its beautiful windcatchers—tall towers designed to cool the buildings underneath.

.12. KHORRAMABAD .
Population (1240): 10,000

Khorramabad is the capital of the theme of Luristan. Provisionally Prince Leon Gabras plans to name the city Gabrasipolis, but this name change has obviously not received any outside approval. The city is also home to the Falak-o-Aflak, or Heaven of Heavens, castle—a formidable fortress remnant from the Sassanid era Prince Leon has turned into his residence.

.13. AMOL.
Population (1240): 10,000

An ancient city, Amol is part of Mazadarram theme, and a fortress that is part of a chain designed to repel Mongol incursions.

.14. SARI.
Population (1240): 10,000

Ancient capital of Tabaristan, Sari is presently within the theme of Mazadarram. The city’s defenses were reconstructed during the 1230s at the hands of Gabriel Komnenos, to serve as a forward fortress against future Mongol incursions.

.15. SHIRVANSHAH.
Population (1240): 10,000

Capital of the theme of Azeribijian, and the Despotate of Shirvan. Home of Zoe Komnenos, sister of Emperors Thomas III and Gabriel I.

.16. JEDDAH.
Population (1240): 10,000

Port city on the Red Sea, capital of the Kingdom of Arabia and home of House Donauri.

.17. SOLTANIYEH.
Population (1240): 10,000

Soltaniyeh is a city located in northwestern Persia, and part of the theme of Tabriz.

.18. MEDINA.
Population (1240): 10,000

The site of the Prophet’s Tomb, the religious importance of the city of Medina cannot be overstated. However, the economic importance remains as well—outside of Jeddah it is the largest city in the Kingdom of Arabia, outstripping Petra, Madaba and Amman by healthy margins.




CITIES OF EGYPT AND NORTH AFRICA
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Egypt and North Africa, considering the vast tracts of lands covered, are likely the most sparsely populated areas of the Empire. However, where there is population, it is highly concentrated—both the Tunisian coast and Egypt are densely populated, with Egypt hosting many towns who only barely do not fit the category of over 10,000 people. Both areas also have benefited from being on the sidelines of the Komnenid political struggles for the most part…

.1. ALEXANDRIA.
Population (1240 estimate): 140,000

Alexandria—crown jewel of Komnenid Egypt, and despite the devastation of the Great Flood Tide, still the second city of the entire Roman world. With the Komnenid reconquest of Egypt in the 1140s, Alexandria, which had become something nearing a backwater port under the rule of the Fatimids, has rapidly regained its old stature as a major trading center. The primary exit point for Egyptian grain and Red Sea trade into the Mediterranean the world, this new Alexandria is both graceful and haphazard—much of the city has been hurriedly rebuilt over the ruins of Alexandria’s gone before, with a mishmash of architectural designs.

In addition to her commercial importance, Alexandria also serves as the official “southern residence” of the Roman Emperor—the city is officially a part of the Imperial demense, with the immense if ugly Basilikon Palati still looming over the city’s damaged waterfront. In the shadow of the great palace of stone is the residence of the Patriarch of Alexandria, a now crumbling structure that is well approaching nine centuries old. Nestled amongst these giants is the residence of the imperial Katepanos, by tradition a relative of the Komnenid Prince of Damietta.

While the city is recovering from the Great Flood Tide, much work remains to be done—if not for the massive loss of life that spring day of 1238, Alexandria would be a third the size of Konstantinopolis, approaching 200,000 souls. Many of the wooden docks that lined her harbor were swept away and need replacement, and many of the stone quays not swept away were damaged and need repair. Temporary warehouses already exist on her waterfront, but it will be some time before permanent replacements come to the fore. Barring disaster, however, the city appears to have little direction to go save upwards in prestige, size, and wealth…

.2. CARTHAGE.
Population (1240): 100,000

“Carthage” in its current incarnation is the third rebirth of the ancient city and its fabled harbor. Its strategic position, natural harbor, and blatant Roman preference for the site over neighboring Tunis have meant its explosion in size over the last century. The newest Carthage incorporates many of the remaining streets and ruins of the old into its buildings and design—the Komnenids have even partially rebuilt the city’s famed double harbor, hoping to turn the city into yet another major Roman naval base in the Western Mediterranean. Protected by a double wall, thirty feet and fifteen feet high respectively, the city is a positive fortress.

Carthage’s size, prestige, and ancient lineage have also made the city ripe for the seat of a new Patriarchate. Since the Komnenid conquest the Christian faith has regained a foothold in the Mahgreb, and with a pressing need for new dioceses that are rapidly straining the existing Church structure, many see it as only a matter of time before Carthage not only holds the African Imperial Palace (a small, cozy structure in comparison to the immense edifices of Konstantinopolis and Alexandria), but a Patriarchal Palace as well.

The city is officially under direct imperial rule, supervised by a Katepanos.

.3. CAIRO-FUSTAT.
Population (1240): 40,000

Fustat is the proper name for this city, with Cairo being the name of the Fatimid palace complex that still hovers over the metropolis. Since the Komnenid conquest, the seat of power in Egypt has shifted northwards to Alexandria, pulling many residents out of the once immense city. Cairo-Fustat still has a great deal of importance, however—it’s main role is now as an administrative center for the Theme of the same name, as well as a waypoint for grain being shipped up the Nile towards the harbors and quays of Alexandria.

.4. KAIRUOAN.
Population (1240): 35,000

Kairuoan is likely one of the holiest Islamic sites within Roman North Africa, and also serves as the capital of the rich and powerful theme of the same name. Kairuoan historically was a stronghold of the Kosaca family, until Andreas Kaukadenos’ civil war in 1216. After successive members of the family attempted to overthrow the Komnenid throne, Emperor Thomas stripped them of Kairuoan and temporarily placed the theme under immediate Imperial supervision. In 1230, the theme was handed to Zeno Komnenos, son of the Prince of Samos and distant descendant of the Emperor Manuel.

.5. DAMIETTA.
Population (1240): 25,000

Damietta serves as capital of the theme of the same name, and traditional home of the descendants of Eudoxios Komnenos. The city is a ‘second-port’ of sorts for Egyptian trade, mostly handling cotton, as the Egyptian grain trade by law must go through Alexandria.

.6. MANSURAH.
Population (1240): 15,000

Second city of theme of Damietta, traditionally serves as a gathering place for cotton and grain from the Egyptian Delta to be shipped to Damietta and Alexandria respectively.

.7. QUS.
Population (1240): 15,000

Qus is the capital of thetheme of Aswan, the southernmost stretch of Roman presence in Africa. The city has grown as a regional marketplace for trade goods from the Far Upper Nile.

.8. LEPTIS MAGNA.
Population (1240): 10,000

Built on an ancient site, the Komnenid Leptis Magna is a completely medieval creation. The city was originally built as a staging ground for Christophoros Komnenos’ invasion of Beni Halal, and later gained some prominence as a waypoint for merchants seeking to avoid Sicilian tolls on their goods.

.9. FAYYUM.
Population (1240): 10,000

Fayyum is a part of the theme of Egypt, formerly ruled by the Dau family. Amongst the Romans of the Empire, the city is commonly known as Gizeh.

.10. SFAX.
Population (1240): 10,000

Once an independent city-state, Sfax for a short period of time served as capital of the kingdom of Beni Halal, before its destruction at the hands of Christophoros Komnenos in the 1130s. Since then, the city has slowly grown to become the chief trading port of the theme of Kairuoan.

.11. BILBEIS.
Population (1240): 10,000

Part of the theme of Cairo, Bilbeis stands at the first major fork that marks the beginning of the Nile Delta.​
 
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15. SHIRVANSHAH.
Population (1240): 10,000

Capital of the theme of Azeribijian, and the Despotate of Shirvan. Home of Zoe Komnenos, sister of Emperors Thomas III and Gabriel I.

I almost forgot she existed!

It's always fun to read up on these things, I like lists so I'm quite happy with this update.
 
Zoe?
Who? :p

I thought Adrianople would have been bigger. :rolleyes:
Or a suburb of the Queen of the Cities. :cool:

And what be the total population of the Empire at this point?
Must be at least 40 million?
Perhaps even 60 million?
 
Beautiful...I like lists like this.

Italy (sacked in X, sacked again, shadow-of-former-glory, city after city) makes me sob inside a little. Poor Italy.
 
Yes, but is "Sacked in X, sacked in Y, sacked in Z" really either A - ahistorical, or B - worse than "led by a politically confused clown in uniform whose greatest achievement was that the trains ran on time and was easily distracted by a semi-illiterate Austrian painter?"

I note, incidentally, that the "Cities of Empire" update seems to be missing The City, to steal from Turtledove's Videssos. :p
 
Really cool to see the details of the Roman Mediterranean. I love these

overview interims!

Not to be pushy or anything but any chance of us seeing the cities of Anatolia

and the Levant? I'd assume Antioch is still pretty large, especially if they are

digging that ditch mentioned a few updates ago to mend the historical problem

of the receding shoreline.
 
I love the overview these sort of lists give, it really helps to form an impresion of the empire as a whole, but arn't the balkan cities a tad small? Civil war or no, the balkans have still been far more stable than in our time line, and I think Ive seen estimates that puts Thessalonike's population around 150.000 in the early 13th century in o.t.l..
 
Btw, shall there be any special events when it comes to year 1248(or 1247?) when it ought to be 2000 years from the founding of the city of the Rome, aka 2000 AUC? :rolleyes:
 
Enewald - Probably in Rome itself. I'm not sure how involved the Empire will be at that point, for reasons to be revealed... as for total Imperial population at this point? Probably pushing close to 40-50 million, counting in Spain, Persia, Mesopotamia, and the Empire proper.

Hannibal X - MacComnens? What was the prefix Mac stand for in a Scottish name anyway?

Siind - The big reason Thessalonike in particular is about 50k is I was being cautious with the population totals. I based by ratios off an article I found about Saladin's Egypt (one of the most populated areas in the middle east), that pegged the total population at around 3-5 million, with Alexandria, for example, only having 13,000 people. (!) So I erred on the side of caution, except for cities I knew would be massive for game reasons (Napoli, Carthage, Baghdad, Alexandria). Officially, I guess we could explain it as Thessalonike never had Greek refugees from Anatolia coming to the coasts and/or Greece itself seeking refuge from the Turks... :D

TC Pilot - Jerusalem's not mentioned because it's part of the second part of this update, where I cover Syria/the Levant, Anatolia, and the Western Empire. :)

Avarri - Yup, you'll definitely be seeing them! The next part is about a quarter done.

Vesimir - It's just Italy. Who's going to care? Not like sacking Konstantinopolis, not at all. :p

c0d5579 - It is, mostly because The City is getting its own update down the road.

asd21593 - There's one more on the way before we get back to the story!

RGB - Italy's kinda been used and abused since the Komnenids took her back. They haven't treated her nicely at all--then again, when north Italy especially is a hotbed for sedition, part of them had it coming...

Qorten - In a few drafts of this period, she was going to be a major character, but then she slid off the face of the earth, and her thunder got stolen by Frederica. :)
 
Hannibal X - MacComnens? What was the prefix Mac stand for in a Scottish name anyway?

"Mac" means Son. O'x means "from X" afaik. "Clan" means "descendants".

I'm torn about this Mac thing...I am under the impression that's reserved for real Clansmen and established families.

If Antemios fled to England, the matter would be simple. They'd the "the Comneys".

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Oh and for your update? Anatolia? Please?
 
"Mac" means Son. O'x means "from X" afaik. "Clan" means "descendants".

I'm torn about this Mac thing...I am under the impression that's reserved for real Clansmen and established families.

If Antemios fled to England, the matter would be simple. They'd the "the Comneys".

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Oh and for your update? Anatolia? Please?

If they become loyal stewards and kings, they could be Clan Comnens. It would make sense for such a powerful dynasty.
 
And after the first generation, or perhaps after several more in which these stray Komnenids become more Scottish, then "MacKomnenos" or whatever might be appropriate.
 
Vesimir - It's just Italy. Who's going to care? Not like sacking Konstantinopolis, not at all. :p

Indeed, it's not like the Italians wouldn't have done the same to Roman cities if they had the chance ;)

I like how you managed to write something about all those cities (and how you managed to keep track of all the sacking :p). Very curious about the Syrian and Anatolian cities, as they saw much more peace than in our timeline and should have become some of the biggest in the Empire. I'm also very curious about your vision of 13th century Constantinople.