Rome AARisen - a Byzantine AAR

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• Sep 22, 2011

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It's an offer he can't refuse. It's also and offer that will cost him more dearly than he can imagine, I'm sure. Very good work by the emperor.

 

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• Sep 22, 2011

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How in the seven hells wasn't this emperor able to save the Empire?

Seriously.

 

Nikolai

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• Sep 22, 2011

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It doesn't matter how brilliant and promising you are, if say a rock hits you in the head tomorrow.

 

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• Sep 22, 2011

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Wow, great manipulation there by Andronikos! Excellent chapter BT.

 

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• Sep 22, 2011

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...wow. This is probably up there, with Thomas III's final chapter, in rankings of pure awesomeness. I can't believe he solved the biggest threat to Roman integrity in the East whilst being on pot

 

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• Sep 22, 2011

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If they aren't mad, they get high

Very amusing read, this chapter. Truly brilliant.

 

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• Sep 22, 2011

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Why do you always say Vice Gerent of Christ, not Vice Regent?

Oh, and that was incredible!

 

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• Sep 22, 2011

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It should be in one word it seems, but it is correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicegerent

The Byzantine Emperors held as a title "God's Vicegerent on Earth".

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WelshDude said:

Why do you always say Vice Gerent of Christ, not Vice Regent?

Oh, and that was incredible!

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The root of "Gerent" is gerere which means to carry s.th. on, to continue something. It's similar to "Agent". He continues Christ's work on earth.

Anyways what a great update!! Romans, they find a way to corrupt even the incorruptible.

Although I'm sure the theological debate between Hinnawi and Taymiyyah will be remembered as much, if not more, than Andronikos' sly manipulation. BT didn't mention anyone making a protocol of the debate, but I'm sure there were clerics around who took notes and will publish them

After all this is likely going to be the only direct encounter of Taymiyyah and a leading Aionite scholar, isn't it?

 

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Then who's the full Gerent? The Partriarch?

 

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• Sep 22, 2011

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Christ of course.

 

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Nikolai said:

Christ of course.

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Sorry, thought I hadn't posted that, otherwise I would have deleted it after actually reading the wiki article. Good joke though

 

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• Sep 23, 2011

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That was just plain BRILLIANT!!!

 

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• Sep 23, 2011

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What I still don't get is how will he pervert the Taymiyyite ideals by giving them the Levant?

 

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• Sep 23, 2011

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Making a deal with the Roman devils will give huge dissent, becoming a part of the Roman army even more so. The Levant was lost to Rome anyway, the cost for taking on the Tamyyites AND Persia would be huge. And for the ones not turned away from the deal with Rome, having a safe haven in the Levant means lots of goodwill and Rome has a valuable ally against Persian aggression instead of two enemies.

So a WIN-WIN, as long as everything goes as planned...

 

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• Sep 23, 2011

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BT, I know that you likely have no idea, but do you have a guess as to how many updates are left until the conclusion of this wonderful AAR and the start of part 2?

Just curious.

 

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• Sep 23, 2011

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Andronikos scares me. He is so brillent but at the same time completly mad. He might be a genius, but just reading that the thing I noticed the most was how crazy he is. Also what does"Ararat" mean?

EDIT: Oh and that complete disregard for the church will bite him in the ass some day. From now on he is relying on only the army and the nobles to keep him in power; one of which is likely to buck him at the closest opertunity.

 

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• Sep 23, 2011

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Leviathan07 said:

...but I'm sure there were clerics around who took notes and will publish them

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"...it has been mentioned, numerous times throughout more religion-focused chapters of 'Romanion: From Samarkand to the Pillars' and 'The Rise and Fall of the Komnenid States', that the meeting between Taymiyya and Hinnawi could probably be considered the most interesting religious debate of the 14th century. The Amir of the upstart Muslims had arrived to the tent of Emperor Andronikos II to discuss a peace between their forces, but the wise Emperor had cunningly placed his Aionite adviser there, to test just how witty and intelligent Taymiyya was. Once he had heard enough of their verbal combat, he offered his enemy the peace he intended to all along, with all the repercussions that decision would bring later. Of course, almost every Eastern historian knows of the medieval legend that the Emperor of the Known World had, actually, no plan all along, and was in actuality 'high out of his friggin' mind' from substantial cannabis usage, but those reports are considered unproven at best, and simply untruthful at worst, by most prestigious scholars of the subject..."

 

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tee hee hee

Yes just like that

Although later historians would probably focus on the theological debate, rather than the meeting with the emperor. Just like the meeting between Martin Luther and emperor Charles II at Worms in 1521 is mostly remembered for what Luther said, not for the political stuff. To us, Luther is the main protagonist of the event, to people at the time, though, it would be the emperor.

 

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• Sep 23, 2011

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That was awesome. Cannabis are good for you, it's true.

But now I'm at a loss. I've got Persians and Andronikos who I've started to like. Who to cheer on?!