Quite some of the catholic countries in our timeline converted by own machine. Not accepting the reform would be equal to breaking with the curch, and the countries that in reality kept catholisism feel unlikely to break with the curch (Spain, Portugal, perhaps France). Besides, even if they would do so, they would have a hard time forcing the pope to back down.piff133 said:The fact that all major (and a good chunk of the minor) Catholic powers still remaining would never let that happen.
Trondheim said:I noticed in the log it says that they annexed Mutapa as well.
Well, even if it would have led to a major, Europe changing war, that is still within the possibiliy of the pope accepting lurthism.piff133 said:This is true, but the church had power. The Catholic nations fed off of this power and used this power. If the pope converts to Protestantism, then the Protestant nations would likely feed off this source of power, and the Catholic nations aren't likely to be very happy with this. In the game, by 1533, the Reformation isn't likely to be more powerful than a Catholic alliance or even one or two major Catholic powers.
It would have led to a major, Europe-changing war.
Snake IV said:Well, even if it would have led to a major, Europe changing war, that is still within the possibiliy of the pope accepting lurthism.
The problem as I see it is that you see the church as already split up, as two opposing camps who hatyes eachothers guts, which happened in reallity. The scenario I presented build on that this wasn't the case, and all ideas was still within the frame of Catholisism officially. By 1533 the ideas could possibly be brand new. What you seem to picture would be a scenario where every nation would have to activly convert to Lutherism, which wouldn't be the case if the pope did it for them. Acctually, they would have openly break with the pope to go back to old Catholisism, and they would be those who left the curch, not the Luthernas.
Anyway, that's OT. In fact, I might start a thrad about it somewere, it's an interesting scenario.
No, the game doesn't support this timeline, yetAmob_m_s said:Except that's not what the screenie shows- the faith "Catholic" did not convert to "Lutheran;" just the Papal States. The Catholic religion continues in many other nations- and whom would their pope be?
I haven't played much father than that at the moment. Pius II (the one who became a Lutheran in my game) is still Pope. I don't know if this would affect the elections in the game or not.Amob_m_s said:Except that's not what the screenie shows- the faith "Catholic" did not convert to "Lutheran;" just the Papal States. The Catholic religion continues in many other nations- and whom would their pope be?
A question for the original screenie poster: did papal elections continue after this? And of course it would be only catholic nations sending cardinals and thus electing the pope, so a bunch of Catholics would essentially be electing a Lutheran leader. :wacko:
Trondheim said:If you conquer all of France, you can become France.
piff133 said:That makes some sense, actually. The Pope was no longer in the area, and the power of Rome was gone. Since Rome was on a major trade route, ideas in the area spread quickly. If one caught on in some part of the population, it was likely to expand quickly.
Though it is kinda weird that the Reformation started in poor southern Italy.
EDIT: Is the Castillian trade center Protestant?
EDIT2: Did Poland annex Venice?
EDIT3: Okay, this is a weird game. Why is Cornwall colonizing Canada?!