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    I am curious, but what is the dificulty you are playing with? I hope it is Very Hard - Furious, but i doubt, since you haven't been attacked by everyone, despite your big BB points.

    Anyway, good work. I will surely want to see how this vassalizating frenzy ends up.
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    Nice expansion there mate. You would make Justinian proud. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurningEGO
    I am curious, but what is the dificulty you are playing with? I hope it is Very Hard - Furious, but i doubt, since you haven't been attacked by everyone, despite your big BB points.

    Anyway, good work. I will surely want to see how this vassalizating frenzy ends up.
    It's Hard/Aggressive - If it were on furious the AI would Dow everyone (and me) too quickly and end up wrecking itself. I find Aggressive to be the best compromise!

    I do have a very large army - that might have something to do with the lack of DoWs - I think the AI is scared of me!
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    Hey, to get rid of the non-core provinces, and to gain a core which is a capital, you could make events for <nation> something like :

    Moving of the Capital

    The Byzantine onslaught has reached our capital, them claiming it as theirs. We must move to another location immediately unless we want it to be recognized by countries according to rumours and then making us a very unprestigious nation.

    OR, you could just put

    Moving of the Capital

    AI_EVENT_MOVE_CAPITAL



    Then, for your unwanted provinces :

    Unwanted Area

    We have gained Tabriz, but because it is not one of 'our' territories which we have no legal claim upon, we shall grant it to another nation.

    OR

    Unwanted Area

    BYZ_REMOVE_PROVINCE_<ID>


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    More Vassals - and war!

    Another update.

    Now, after creating my first 4 vassals, I decided to attend to my cores in the East!
    First on the menu was the Golden Horde - who had swallowed Georgia - meaning I had 4 cores on them.

    Anyway, their army was all in the other side of their empire (fighting Genoa) so being an opportunist I declared on them!

    It was an easy war - I had reached their capital before their armies had finished building. Once I had finished sieging the lower end of their country, they stopped demanding money from me and sent this offer instead!




    Much more to my liking! Money, and all my cores!

    I then continued my drive Eastwards, this time paying a surprise visit to the Mameluks - who were about as prepared for my arrival as the Golden Horde had been! My army (mostly mercenaries ) sieged their provinces and soon they were ready to listen to reason.

    I told them that they didn't really want all that land, and that I would look after it - and after a little persuasion, they agreed.



    I'll be back!

    My next stop was Bavaria - now I can wander through Europe thanks to those vassals, it's easier for me to get to them, than for them to get to me!
    Baden joined in the fun too, and Switzerland decided to DoW me (with no allies!!)
    The result of this was;


    That's right, more vassals! Ain't that nice! Shame most of them hate my guts though - wonder if it's something I said?

    The problem came with Baden. They were a vassal of Bavaria, and you can't vassalise a vassal - so I reduced them to one province, then annexed them - the plan being to release a 2 prov Baden. Unfortunately, they are only one province in the revolt.txt so I am lumbered with Wurzberg - for now.

    The next problem came more recently - I was happily marching through Saxony, Hessen, The Palitinat, the Papal States and Hannover - when Castile and all their allies declare on me!!



    Serves me right for being overconfident I suppose!

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    I do have a very large army - that might have something to do with the lack of DoWs - I think the AI is scared of me!
    Looks like it ain't scared any more!
    Let the BB wars begin!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Model
    Hey, to get rid of the non-core provinces, and to gain a core which is a capital, you could make events for <nation> something like :

    Moving of the Capital

    The Byzantine onslaught has reached our capital, them claiming it as theirs. We must move to another location immediately unless we want it to be recognized by countries according to rumours and then making us a very unprestigious nation.

    OR, you could just put

    Moving of the Capital

    AI_EVENT_MOVE_CAPITAL



    Then, for your unwanted provinces :

    Unwanted Area

    We have gained Tabriz, but because it is not one of 'our' territories which we have no legal claim upon, we shall grant it to another nation.

    OR

    Unwanted Area

    BYZ_REMOVE_PROVINCE_<ID>

    That's a good idea, I might do something like that - either that or edit the savegame to get shot of the non-cores!
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    Don't forget to give yourself a -1 badboy modifier for each province you take away, or you will be Hated Throughout The World

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Model
    Don't forget to give yourself a -1 badboy modifier for each province you take away, or you will be Hated Throughout The World
    I already am
    No-one like me!

    That's why I am at war with the other half of Europe.
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    I doubt this will work.

    As youve started the bb wars your vassals will break their vassalage constantly except if you are allied with them, and you only got a certain ammount of allies.

    And if you plan to use 2-3 allies to conquer the world, then you have to think of that they will cancel their vassalisation if they get the troop ammounts that they need to accomplish the WC.

    I should have gone from the start and just vassalize everyone *nods*

    Also changing capitals and such are pretty much cheating in my view...
    Quite a different guy for quite a different world.

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    I suppose if Hungary changes capital to Bohemia, and gives Magyar away you could just turn the country to Bohemia in the event of doing so, then everyone wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skarion
    I doubt this will work.
    Oh ye of little faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Skarion
    As youve started the bb wars your vassals will break their vassalage constantly except if you are allied with them, and you only got a certain ammount of allies.
    Not if I make nice to them all they shouldn't. I intend to keep all relations at +150 or more!

    Anyway, I am not taking non-core land (or not unless I need it to release someone) which should mean that my badboy drops. Then people should start liking me again

    Quote Originally Posted by Skarion
    And if you plan to use 2-3 allies to conquer the world, then you have to think of that they will cancel their vassalisation if they get the troop ammounts that they need to accomplish the WC.
    I don't intend to ally with them unless I really have to, in case like Duke of Wellington said they start fighting each other. That would be inconvenient.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skarion
    I should have gone from the start and just vassalize everyone *nods*
    Not enough money to do that - Byzantium has low money and poor manpower. A certain amount of expansion into cores is needed to avoid going bankrupt early on. I don't gain BB for it unless I annex - which is something I have done a fair bit of though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skarion
    Also changing capitals and such are pretty much cheating in my view...
    Possibly. I haven't done it anyway.
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    Great to see some vassals. And what vassals! Poland and Austria look nice on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Wellington
    Great to see some vassals. And what vassals! Poland and Austria look nice on the list.
    I will update soon.

    My vassal list is now;
    Austria,
    Baden,
    Poland,
    Naples,
    Hungary,
    Bavaria,
    Switzerland,
    Sicily,
    Holland,
    Papal States,
    Castille.

    It's looking good - I have had one cancellation so far - Sicily who I re-vassalised in a quick war straight away.
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    Just fyi you won't get any badboy wars if you aren't playing at very hard. Looking nice so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Me
    Just fyi you won't get any badboy wars if you aren't playing at very hard. Looking nice so far.
    Good!
    Thanks for the info!
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    There is no way that you can keep relations with all your vassals at +150 or more while you're over the BB limit, unless you use "vatican".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelM
    There is no way that you can keep relations with all your vassals at +150 or more while you're over the BB limit, unless you use "vatican".
    Yeah, I realised that later on - also it would cost too much!

    What is this "Vatican" of which you speak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonti-h
    Yeah, I realised that later on - also it would cost too much!

    What is this "Vatican" of which you speak?
    Cheat, you get 6 diplomats...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonti-h
    What is this "Vatican" of which you speak?
    Uhh... Did I say "vatican"? I meant "a whole lot of diplomats"...

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