The Butterfly Effect: A British AAR

**Jalex** · 23-12-2008 02:18

I think the reason interest hasn't died down in the election is that its been so close the whole time. If one candidate emerged with a massive lead people would stop voting as no one would see the point, but with leads this small everyone wants to tip the balance in their candidates favour. I say put a deadline on the election but don't release the update or the winner out of sequence.

Without further ado a vote for Landenberg in Alaska

**DonnieBaseball** · 23-12-2008 04:16

Originally Posted by merrick

I'd be surprised at the RN planning to drop Renown any time soon - hadn't they just finished rebuilding her?
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Yay for the KGVs! (which are the obvious thing to build if you want more battleships - I hadn't realised the design was ready so early). I'd still go with 9x15" if time and resources permit, rather than the historical 10x14" or even 12x14" with reduced armour (the 14" quad was a pig). Re-using 15" barrels from the "R"s makes sense, the trouble is that re-using the mounts restricts the ships to 8x15" (undergunned by late '30s standards) or some awkward bodge with "Q" turrets.
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Agree that the FAA needs better planes more than the RN needs better carriers. The only problem is that the FAA were still on their multi-purpose aircraft fixation, if they did order new fighters, they'd probably insist on a second crewman, long range for scouting and the performance of a wounded goose (Fairey Fulmar, anyone?).

Good point re: Renown, she was a fast, useful ship as modernized and had a very good war (generally as a carrier escort).

The Admiralty's favored KGV design was for 3 x 3--15" guns, if there's no pressure to reduce gun size and the 35,000t limit still has any sway, that would be the way to go.

There was talk in the Admiralty as early as late '37 about single-seat fighters (a conversion of the Hurricane being the likely candidate); of course this got shelved for a variety of reasons and didn't re-emerge until Norway and the Med showed the need clearly. If the FAA could get a Sea Hurricane with folding wings and capacity for 90 gallons of add'l fuel in drop tanks (to allow for longer CAP endurance & add'l range for escort missions) by say 1939 that'd be a great development.

**Nathan Madien** · 23-12-2008 04:58

Originally Posted by Jalex

Without further ado a vote for Landenberg in Alaska

Alaska doesn't officially become a state until 1959. Therefore, they don't count.

Vermont votes for Landon-Vandenberg, just to flip Alaska off.

**Hawkeye1489** · 23-12-2008 07:03

Go with an enddate for the election and hold off till it fits in, which seems to be the sentiment of the rest of my fellow readers lol. Also, I wish to claim the Commonwealth of Virginia in the name of Alf Landon and Art Vandenberg.

~Hawk

**daemonofdecay** · 23-12-2008 07:58

Alf* for President!

*Alf Landon

**RAFspeak** · 23-12-2008 08:56

Renown was a useful old girl, largely because she (as an old-school BC) was indeed fast enough to keep up with the new nearly-30 knot CVs. The 16" power of Nelson and Rodney was difficult to apply, because of their ageing engines and because they were never designed to go faster than 24 knots anyway...

Thinking about the AAR history to date, I do worry that the 'Castles-on-the-Sea' admirals in the RN will take what has happened thus far and be content that they can keep asking for more BBs in the same old mold. Sounds like that magnificent veteran Keyes is our best hope for common sense - let's hear it for a dual-purpose CV-capable fighter/bomber from DeHavilland of novel design and capabilities! Hint : it is made out of wood, is lightweight for a two-man machine, has two engines for greater safety of carrier operation, and will be the fastest aircraft in the world when first flown...

...In case anyone thinks I only want to scrap the Navy's heavy metal, I'd simply like to reassure them that I don't. I just don't think we need any more. All those lovely old rust-buckets are useful for important wartime convoy escort and shore bombardment duties. Most important of all, of course, is their ability to 'show the flag' before any war starts - hopefully deterring aggression and influencing politician's minds!

And finally, some late-breaking news - Connecticut votes Cordell Hull!

**Anazagar** · 23-12-2008 10:11

Originally Posted by trekaddict

Oi! We may be European, but we are certainly not socialist! That Germany has mandatory ID-cards is a remnant of when we were occupied by your lot!

Well you mean the times that some of us were occupied by good ol' uncle Joe and his band after he beat the crap out of a goddamn austrian painter and his lot yes??

Oh and one more more statment from mr Osborn - "America has had enough of this good for nothing prohibition. I say Legal booze for everybody. Anyone who thinks diffrently is just on mafias payroll. Oh and Ironman sux."

**trekaddict** · 23-12-2008 10:15

Originally Posted by Anazagar

Well you mean the times that some of us were occupied by good ol' uncle Joe and his band after he beat the crap out of a goddamn austrian painter and his lot yes??

Well, yes. But for that very reason Austrians are no longer considered German, just...Austrian. Besides, I live in the former French Zone of occupation. Thats almost as bad for an area that has a history of French Invasions during the 17th and 16th centuries.

**Pwn*Star** · 23-12-2008 11:02

Come on people, we just need a few more pushes like the last one, and Garner might end up as a president! Vote Garner/White in Georgia

**Lord Strange** · 23-12-2008 14:41

Vote Garner in Virginia. He's coming North!

**Arilou** · 23-12-2008 17:33

Originally Posted by Anazagar

Well you mean the times that some of us were occupied by good ol' uncle Joe and his band after he beat the crap out of a goddamn austrian painter and his lot yes??

Oh and one more more statment from mr Osborn - "America has had enough of this good for nothing prohibition. I say Legal booze for everybody. Anyone who thinks diffrently is just on mafias payroll. Oh and Ironman sux."

Mr. Osborn likes throwing blonde women off bridges!

Hull/Iron-Man! A vote for NOT killing of sexy blondes!

**caffran** · 23-12-2008 17:49

Vote Garner/White
Maine

why not shut off the voting on new years day. definite end point that no one will forget, and gives you a month or so to count the votes.

then re-count the votes until it says what it's 'supposed' to say, like every other american election.

later, caff

**Hawkeye1489** · 24-12-2008 06:00

Another day and a Christmas Eve vote for Landon-Vandenberg in the Hawkeye State of Iowa!

~Hawk

**Sir Humphrey** · 24-12-2008 06:26

Its a shame the tech tree doesn't allow (like in the original CORE for the first HoI) to have aviation cruisers. I mean, bung a flight deck on the back of a County class cruiser, and hey presto, either for float planes or autogyros for ASW (now that would be cool)).

**Nathan Madien** · 24-12-2008 17:32

Landon-Vandenberg complete their sweep of New England in the Live Free or Die state of New Hampshire.

**caffran** · 24-12-2008 18:08

Vote Garner/White
Indiana

**Lord Strange** · 24-12-2008 18:41

Vote Garner/ White West Virginia
He's on a roll here!

**Jalex** · 24-12-2008 18:45

Originally Posted by Nathan Madien

Alaska doesn't officially become a state until 1959. Therefore, they don't count.

Vermont votes for Landon-Vandenberg, just to flip Alaska off.

Oops

hey ho another vote for Landenberg.

**Sir Humphrey** · 24-12-2008 23:00

Another vote for Garner! A late surge!!

**Lordling** · 24-12-2008 23:53

Landon in California!

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