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Coming up on an update... I can feel it!

+1 Republican Spain

Dury.
 
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trekaddict - Every vote is counted, what kind of election do you think I'm running here?

Actually don't answer that! :D

C&D - The truth can hurt, but there's nothing wrong with being interesting and unique. It's served me well at least.

Duritz - Is this a serious split in the tank voting block? That could have a serious impact come the next tech-porn election...

Sir Humphrey - Thanks for that Sir H, it's taken me days to summon the strength to deal with that. :shudder:

Le Jones - There is never a good time for Harriet Harperson, but I agree the weekend is particularly unpleasant.

Sir Humphrey - Are you proud of yourself? I think you should take some time to think about what you've done.

KaiserMuffin - Working on a Friday night is in fact worse than coming in early on a Saturday. Significantly worse.

Duritz - You are correct, update in minutes!

Indefatigable - Welcome aboard, another A Chamberlain supporter is always welcome. As is another voter.


Votes
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Spain - 29
US - 14
Tractors - 20

Spain pulls out a bigger lead, tractors inch away from the US and everyone holds their breath awaiting the tank update coming in mere minutes!
 
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Chapter XCI: An Inauspicious Beginning
Chapter XCI: An Inauspicious Beginning

With four tank designs either already undergoing testing or just beginning the process there was no shortage of new designs available for the newly formed Royal Armoured Corps to review. To described the designs as 'mixed' would be a masterful piece of under-statement, while there were genuinely innovative ideas and developments incorporated into some of the designs the crippling 'economy' measures enforced by the Treasury were also present in abundance. However it would be unfair to entirely blame the Treasury, there were more than enough War Office mistakes present to cause problems. This neatly brings us to one of the worst tank designs to ever emerge from a War Office specification; the A11 Matilda.

The Matilda began life in 1934 on the recommendation of Lieutenant General Hugh Elles, a member of the Army Board who who was double-hatted as both Master-General of the Ordnance and Director of the Mechanisation Branch. On paper he was one of the most qualified and experienced tank officers in the British Army, he had been General Haig's representative during the development of the Mk I "Mother" tank on the basis of which he had been appointed head of the Heavy Branch of the Machine Gun Corps (the first tank unit in the world). After leading the Branch through the failures at Ypres he had overseen the successes of Cambrai and the formation of the Tank Corps at it's Bovington Camp base. After overseeing the setting up of the Corps and navigating the brutal post-war Geddes Axe on defence spending his armoured career culminated when he became the first Tank Corps inspector. While this is indeed a most impressive tank CV it has one crucial flaw; it shudders to a halt in the early 1920s, after that point his career was a succession of staff roles for infantry units and War Office postings. While this could have been a positive move, giving him a better idea of how tanks and infantry should work together, it was in fact disastrous as his armoured thinking stagnated. Having left the Tank Corps before it gained it's royal prefix his thinking was still based around Medium Mark Cs and trench warfare, the developments of the Experimental Mechanised Force for instance had bypassed him completely.

Thus on his appointment to the Army Board he was almost the stereotypical 'Old Guard' officer, mainly interested in how to re-fight the Great war to best effect, an attitude reflected in his specification for the Matilda. The A11 was to be an "Infantry Tank", a relatively new concept for the Royal Tank Corps and was to be heavily armoured but armed with only a single machine gun and to travel 'as fast as a man on foot'. While this specification could never have produced a worthwhile modern tank the final kiss of death came when low cost was set as a prime consideration, after the Treasury had vetoed the infinitely more capable Medium Mk III on cost grounds the Matilda had to be cheap, this would have disastrous consequences for an already fatally compromised design.

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The A11 Matilda undergoing trials on Salisbury Plain. Many of the key flaws in the design can be clearly seen; the small one man turret, the exposed tracks and running gear and the puny single 0.303" Vickers machine gun. Beneath the admittedly thick main armour lurked an asthmatic 70hp V-8 engine from a Ford truck linked to an equally commercial grade gearbox and running gear, a combination that could just about propel the tank to 8mph on road and no more than 6mph cross-country. In every respect bar armour thickness it was far less capable than the tanks that had come before it and so must be considered a regrettable step backwards in tank design.

The first Matilda prototype was duly delivered by Vickers in mid-1936 to a decidedly nonplussed Royal Tank Corps, while the process of digesting the Abyssinian War experience had barely begun one fact was blindingly obvious; it had not involved any significant trench warfare. It was therefore equally obvious that a tank that was optimised for trench warfare and little else was of questionable value, quite simply there had been no situations in North Africa when the Matilda would have been of much more use than a tankette. Indeed a Light Tank Mk VI was cheaper, faster, more manoeuvrable and with two machine guns better armed, for anything other than charging dug in enemy positions the Matilda would have been inferior to almost every other tank the Corps already possessed. While the design was put through it's paces there was never any question of it being adopted into service, the tests were as much about checking the evolving infantry tank doctrine and identifying the actual requirements of a new tank as an actual assessment of the design.

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In the aftermath of the Matilda debacle General Elles was removed from his role as Director of Mechanisation and only retained his post as Master-General of the Ordnance due to political consideration. With the Ministry for Defence Co-ordination (MoDC) lobbying for a general oversight role on all defence procurement the War Office felt removing Elles from the Ordnance would risk providing the MoDC with more ammunition to support their case. However by then end of 1937 Elles would join the growing band of senior officers who took early retirement as modernisation and mechanisation gathered pace. Elles replacement as Director of Mechanisation was his former deputy Giffard LeQuesne Martel who combined experience of the office, a fine mechanical mind and a good vision of armoured warfare. For all those strengths he was perhaps not the most political of officers and would be involved in regular clashes with Hobart at the Royal Armoured Corps over who had responsibility for final sign off on new tank specifications.

Long before the Matilda was formally rejected, which it duly was at the beginning of 1937, thoughts turned to a new design with a new specification. The sensible move would have been to wait until the new Royal Armoured Corps had developed an idea of exactly what it wanted, however as we have seen the Treasury (or more correctly the fear of the Treasury) intervened and forced a rushed decision. With time of the essence it was not believed possible to start with a fresh piece of paper and so instead the existing A7 medium tank was selected as a base. The A7, originally an experimental tank produced by the Royal Ordnance Factory Woolwich as a test bed, had been under development since 1929 and so was considered a well understood starting point. The new specification, logically enough A12, specified the same thick armour (for the time) of the A11, a full 60mm on the hull and 65 on the turret, a larger three man turret with the then standard Ordnance QF 2-pounder and provision for both AP and HE rounds and a new larger engine, gearbox and running gear to ensure the A12 could maintain the same speeds as the A7 (25mph on road, 15mph cross country) despite all the additional weight of armour.

Almost the only things the A11 and the A12 had in common were their notional roles and the name, the A12 receiving the name Matilda II from it's unwanted predecessor. As with so many decisions at the time this was political, admitting the A11 had been a complete failure would have only strengthened the hand of those who wanted to centralise procurement. It was therefore important that the Matilda be presented as a success to help the War Office and the Army could fend of the MoDC and others who lusted after their budget. Thus the A12 was touted as a development of the A11 and, in order to keep up the pretence, had to share the same name. This 'development' pretence, combined with the need to meet the spring deadline for the budget's Army Estimates, forced the Army Board and Royal Armoured Corps to order the Matilda II straight off the drawing board, hardly the ideal way for the new Corps to begin it's life.

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Notes

First off apologies for splitting this one, but it should make the men of tanks happy and isn't that worth a two part update?

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A few Old Guard generals knocked out, not all of them but a decent chunk. I mostly removed the ones who had retired in the 1920s or those who like Gowrie were Governor-General of distant Dominions. While I'd prefer a full on purge it was never on, so still plenty of 1 skill old guard generals clogging up the auto-promotion system. The only relief is I can justify getting rid of Massingbeard so at least there's a free F-M slot.

For the rest Elles is entirely historical, he's almost the archetype old guard officer who sadly had too much influence on armoured design. Fortunately not this time round. OTL the Master-General of Ordnance role did disappear in 1938 when the Ministry of Supply started up and did all military procurement (apart from for the Royal Navy and Aircraft production, so basically the Army and all non-aircraft RAF buys). The idea had been around for years so I figured Super Mac would push it as A) more power to him and B) OTL he served there as a junior minister and liked it so probably agreed with the idea. I also think the Cabinet would like it as a stick to threaten the Service Ministries with, just in case.

Onto the tanks, the Matilda I was that awful while my Matilda II will be somewhat different to OTL. Slightly lighter armour and a bigger and better engine will help it to be faster and probably more reliable due to less stress on the engine. I fear the suspension will still be ropey and the turret is too small, but then something had to go wrong. Beside the 2-pdr wasn't that bad, particularly with HE ammo on standard issue. All these changes should also mean it's less of a contrived shape so should be easier to cast and so cheaper to make, the thinner turret armour (65mm not 80mm) in particular will really help and shouldn't impact protection too much, it will still be better armoured than a 1942 Pz IV.

And now onto cruisers!
 
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A faster Mathilda II?


Sweeeet!
 
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And so the Matilda I performs sterling service for the Royal Tank Corps, cutting down whole ranks of out-of-touch brass-hats and misconceived doctrine in a truly spectacular display of uselessness. :)

As for your alt-Matilda II, well, better engines are a must (for the cruisers even more than the infantry tanks). It's still going to be slow (especially when it inevitably turns out overweight), it's still going to be expensive to build and impossible to upgrade (casting is ultimately a dead-end for volume production but that's very much an issue for the future), but if it meets specification it should still be a competent utility tank until the PzIII-J "specials" turn up in mid-1941.

Now if the RTC can come up with a viable combined-arms doctrine to make use of it...
 
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It looks promising... Well, sooner or later the Brits will get a tank worth of that name.;) :D
 
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Huzzah for clearing out the dead wood... I don't suppose a visiting US General say... I don't know perhaps.... MacArthur... could accidentally get killed in a demonstration mishap for the Matilda II? ;)
 
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Just the fact that 2-pdr HE ammo is actually being issued is a big step forward for the tankers.

Ordering "off the drawing board" is always dicey--the FAA did that a lot OTL. *shudder* Still, have to strike while the iron's hot (while the money's there). Still, the big mistake was avoided, and the Matilda II might be a qualified success from which a much better III (or clean sheet design) can emerge.
 
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No complaints about splitting the tank updates. Especially since that means voting is still open.

+1 tractors.
 
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KiMaSa said:
Huzzah for clearing out the dead wood... I don't suppose a visiting US General say... I don't know perhaps.... MacArthur... could accidentally get killed in a demonstration mishap for the Matilda II? ;)

Now that would be a pretty butterfly! :D

Davout said:
No complaints about splitting the tank updates. Especially since that means voting is still open.

+1 tractors.

You took the words right out of my mouth...

+1 Republican Spain.

Pip - the new and improved Matilda II is a nice little contraption. I can see Hobo hating it initially for it's sluggishness and then learning to love it as time goes on.

I'd hoped you'd drop the Infantry tanks completely but I guess that was too much to hope for... onwards to the Cruisers I say. The A9 and A10 are the obvious choices to choose between. I'm hoping for an A10 with a better engine and a larger turrent ring, but fearing a souped up A9 (sans MG turrents please!!!) because it's cheaper and 'shovel ready'*.

Dury.

* Kev speak. ;)
 
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+1 Tractors.

Interesting update and nice to see all the old hats go.

I wonder, have you Tank corps considered secondary armament? It would be nice to see the .50 cal Vickers or the 15mm Besa become something of a standard.
 
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trekaddict - Faster and more manoeuvrable.

merrick - Well said, the Matilda I has done it's duty well. :D

You have picked out all the problems with the II, but then I couldn't fix everything and I think the main positive from the design is that at least the Army is moving in the right direction, even if they still have a fair way to go.

Kurt_Steiner - The RAC is getting there and in any event there tanks are currently better than those pop gun armed tin boxes Ze Germanz are calling the Panzer II. :p

KiMaSa - Hmmm, I wonder. Would Al Smith have kept McArthur as Chief of Staff? McArthur was pretty vocal about a strong military and avoiding isolationism while Smith did almost the exact opposite. There were tensions with FDR who basically agreed with him, how badly would he have fallen out with someone he didn't agree with?

Could it be in say 1933 McArthur ends his tour as Chief of Staff and so retires with no where to go (his OTL Phillippines role isn't even available till 1935, he can't wait around two years for that to happen). Any US experts care to comment on that plan?

KaiserMuffin - I think McArthur may spend his time as a retired general railing at his successors and the politicos for not spending enough on defence. Good enough for you?

DonnieBaseball - I really can't understand why the HE ammo wasn't issued, it was available and British supply lines to North Africa were never that tight. Overly specific (and wrong) doctrine is my best guess. Fortunately they now have combat experience to guide the way.

As for the II everyone does recognise it as a temporary measure and a stepping stone, which is a vast improvement in itself, and it was ordered off the board in OTL so the Army Board were clearly under the same sort of pressure historically!

Davout - It has been a good day for the Men of Tanks!

Duritz - I think Hobo will be delighted at any tank that wasn't built in the 1920s!

Maybe if the RAC had had the time they might have not gone for Infantry Tank as they developed doctrine that went straight to Heavy Cruisers/Close Support Tanks. Sadly now they exist I think there will be pressure to use them so they're here to stay, at least until they end up evolving into CS versions of cruiser tanks. But definitely not the terrible smoke only CS-tanks of OTL! :eek:

Sir Humphrey - Probably the 0.5" Vickers becomes standard as the benefits of heavy fire are realised, with the Infantry moving towards phasing out the 0.303" there's no compelling reason to keep using a lighter MG.
 
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I gues even your improved Mathilda II turret couldn't take a 6pdr later on?
 
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C&D - The truth can hurt, but there's nothing wrong with being interesting and unique. It's served me well at least.

No, I'm not talking about truth, but the ray impaled through my chest! It really hurt, you know.:eek:

And since we're still on the subject of Australian tropes, can you say Waltzin' Matilda Mk. III?
 
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+1 Republican Spain.

MacArthur to be remembered as a pompous, jumped up general who ran for Republican party nomination for President in 1936 but failed to gain any votes in the primaries... forever a footnote in the annals of the GOP. Oh please, please, please! :D

Dury.
 
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