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There is nothing wrong with a good Black poweder Brown Bess Musket!*


As for firepower, couldn't that be partially fixed by a larger percentage of Stens/Stirling SMGs being issued to these units, alongside a semi-auto rifle?

A>s for your solution to the Regimental system, I think I know now what to borrow and what not, thank you.






*aside from range, accuracy, firing speed and the smoke.
 
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How about this as an option? It seems to tick all the right boxes, except that it comes from the Dominions.
 
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How about this as an option? It seems to tick all the right boxes, except that it comes from the Dominions.

Can't see Britain adopting a Dominion gun--it was hard enough to see the Dominions allowed to license British hardware awhile back.

With all this time and money going to reforms and now new lorries and new small arms, I'm starting to wonder if the there'll be anything left for tanks. Perhaps it'll just be "enjoy your Mk.I Cruisers!" ;)
 
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Well, so far so good. Congratulations to Chetwode on selling the Army on (a) realistic training - especially for including the mid-high level officers who too often ended as paper shufflers with vague memories of being junior officers a generation ago, (b) a stab at actual organisation above the Regimental level*, (c) a commitment to mobile and combined-arms operations & (d) a generally professional attitude. With luck, the combination of (a) & (c) will enable the new motorised units to work the bugs out before the balloon goes up - historically the British Army of 1939-40 was the first fully-motorised army in the world, the only problem being that if it tried to actually motor anywhere, it left a slug-trail of broken trucks behind it. With even more luck, stirring in (b) will give them some officers who can actually think in terms of "mounted troops" without automatically thinking "horse".

As for the tanks, quite frankly even if the next update is along the lines of "the Infantry Tank Mk1 was universally regarded as a disaster, being too thinly-armoured for infantry support, too slow for independent operations, too undergunned for either and hopelessly unreliable into the bargain" it would still represent progress if it inspired some clear thinking about the difference of theory and practice, the risks of trying to do too much with too little, and the virtues of flexibility and reliability.

*I have to put in a slight defence of the Regimental system - it works great if what you want to produce is regiments. It's not so great if what you're trying to produce are parts of a larger whole.
 
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How about this as an option? It seems to tick all the right boxes, except that it comes from the Dominions.

That's a big 'but' there Davout... look at the fight we had over the Wirraway!

I think Pip will have to miss this opportunity as it just wouldn't be believable to have some punk kid from the 'Gong designing the Empire's standard SMG. :(

Having said that, no reason the Australian government cant speed up its introduction if the British army shows the value of a SMG earlier than IRL. ;)

Dury.
 
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The rifle regiments continued to be almost wilfully different


I absolutely roared with laughter at that one. As ever Pippy your style is waspishly effective.

I have to admit that the reforms are a pragmatic compromise. In "another AAR" I had the British pulling back from the hard decisions - but I think that here you've managed to get a lot for the money. A lovely update El Pip.
 
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A good update, as always. It's neat to see some modding done.

There is nothing wrong with a good Black poweder Brown Bess Musket!*

*aside from range, accuracy, firing speed and the smoke.

Surely you can dump that kind of weapon down on somebody who needs weapons.
 
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Duritz - You worry to much about the next update, after dragging this out for so long I'd hardly kick the loyal tankies in the teeth would I?

trekaddict - That's pretty much the plan. The Army was playing around with the various carriers pre-war and the Motor Bns obviously got the best of them. The troop carrying variant had a capacity of ~10 men so was perfect to carry one section of one platoon. I believe the pre-war split was that one company had carriers and the rest of the Bn had trucks.

That being the case I imagine the plan will be for 'Assault' platoons in the carriers to have SMGs for short range while the 'Standard' platoons in the trucks have the semi-auto rifles for the fighting after. That said the plan will be for the SMG and rifle to not be too specialised so nobody finds themselves with a completely useless weapon if something goes wrong.

Davout - The problem is how would the British even be aware of it? Even if it gets invented a few years earlier if the Aussies don't like it chances are Britain will never know it even existed. They don't have gangs of officers touring the Empire looking for new ideas from the Dominions to contemptuously ignore. It would have to be brought to their attention then ignored. ;)

DonnieBaseball - The budget will indeed be interesting, but I have a few ideas on that one and I think certain people may like it.

And as you say going for an Aussie gun, particularly when there is a British alternative, is a pretty impossible sell. That said I think some progress has been made and it should be easier (but not too easy) to start licensing Dominion production of British hardware.

merrick - I did worry if I'd gone too far, but then I looked at what Chetwode did in India with a heavy focus on education and training and the use of large regiments (not to mention the fact Britain adopted a regional system during the War and formalised it in the 1950s) so it seemed OK.

The rest is just combat experience, nothing like an actual enemy to point out all your assumptions are completely wrong and that you really need to buck up your ideas. Even those who say 'But we won' are soon silenced with the argument 'But only because of the Navy moving us around and providing the artillery'. I may be over-estimating the power of shame to incite change but I don't think so! :D

Duritz - The Owen is a better weapon that the Wirraway (relatively speaking obviously) but faces the issue it was a man in a shed inventing it in 1939. As Britain has (very reluctantly) realised it has to licence production to the Dominions or risk them going elsewhere I think Australia will probably get a licence for the new guns before the Owen is even invented. At which point does in the inventor even bother to invent it?

Le Jones - Huzzah, glad someone appreciated it! :D

It's always the case, in a desperate situation no-one wants to risk the disruption of major change and prefers a mad rush focus on numbers and 'what he had'. Fortunately for Chetwode there's enough motivation to act but everyone believes there is time for reform (As Hitler is being kept safely under control by the French right? Right?).

Nathan Madien - A good burst of modding is a tonic for the soul. Or at least a nice change.

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Election News

Right as the tank update progress along my thoughts are occasionally turning to 'What next'. As we have all enjoyed a nice election in the past, all except the men of tanks who probably didn't enjoy coming last, I thought we do it again. Leaving Britain behind and heading off to matters of plot your choices are;

  1. Spain over the Winter
  2. The new US President
  3. The option I forgot (votes only count if you tell me what it is)
I currently estimate I have at most a paragraph to write on those subjects. I am therefore hopeful that even after the inevitable bloat they'll end up being one update each only. If I have actually forgotten an option let me know, but it can't be anything European or about domestic Britain as they are scheduled for later.
 
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A British-origin Semi-Auto rifle--- wierd.
 
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US president it is for me. But mostly because European politics are saved for later.

Also, option three was the model of bagpipe that the new highland battalions would come equiped with. With indepth descriptions of its sound capabilities and the potential of its new audio assault.
 
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Spain - because I need to know how close Germany and the UK are working there and how much trouble that is causing with the French
 
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I vote option 3, partly because I can sympathise with the effects of old age on short term mem...

I vote option 3 because I have a tendency to be on the losing side. Which coincides nicely with the topic of the upheaval in the Conservative Party when A Chamberlain suddenly keels over from a stroke mid-reform.
 
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I'll vote for option 1, as I'd forgotten all about the SCW so it's obviously time for an update!

[Unless option 3 can be a FAA update? :D]
 
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Option 3, the heroic German resistance fighters who want to return true Democracy to Germany!
 
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trekaddict - Not that weird, certainly it never happened but then there was no desperate need to replace the SMLE for much of the war; it was always 'good enough' and there were more urgent problems. TTL there is money floating around so a few more problems beyond the urgent ones can be looked at, and I said the cartridge trials were OTL it's just the money was never there to do anything about it. Not any more. :)

C&D - Highland bagpipes remain highly classified even to this day, it's a closely guarded secret that few know.

Derek Pullem - Good points that do need looking at.

trekaddict - Annoying France has been the national sport of most of Europe at some point, why stop now? :D

Karelian - Another vote for Spain.

Davout - A bit early for A Chamberlain I'm afraid, he's going to make it till March and quite a few things will happen before that point, not least the budget and some hot steel on steel welding action.
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DonnieBaseball - I admire the cheek but I think I'm detecting an interest in a non-techie update.

trekaddict - I've belatedly realised I badly over-stretched on this AAR and really should have kept a tighter focus on write shorter updates. As I can't do the latter I'm afraid I'm now going for the former. No more brand new plot lines till I've cleared at least a few of the ones I've already set running.

Vote Tally
Spain - 3
US - 1
Disqualified votes for Option 3 - Several

Not the highest scoring round, certainly not compared to last time. Is this voting fatigue? Or has everyone bar the tech-porn crowd left in disgust? I'm sure the answer will emerged in time.
 
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Is this a "vote early, vote often" election? If so, another +1 to Spain.

Also, just curious--anything noteworthy going on in the Far East these days?
 
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I lost the US election vote, got creamed on the services update vote... this time I plan on picking a winner. Pip owes me that, and I won't take advantage of that to push an agenda. Simplicity is the key...

So, I vote Spain!

I vote for a Republican Spain, I vote for a catholic church that turned on the Nationalists after moorish troops committed atrocities, I vote for Franco living in Lisbon cafes while writing his memoirs that no one will read, I vote for Britain handing back Gibraltar to a victorious and angry Socialist government, I vote for an independant Morocco, I vote for a Federal Spain with autonomous regions and Basque taught in schools, I vote for a better world!

Erm... ok, got a little carried away... :eek:o

Dury. ;)
 
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