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I've missed some party games, it seems. Fun all round, though I'm not sure Morrison & co would have been quite so ready to blow up the Labour Party in real life - after all, Lloyd George and Ramsay MacDonald are still around to remind people of the fate of leaders who split their parties. On the other hand, if he thinks staring down the TUC while swallowing the Liberals will be easier than becoming Labour leader under current circumstances...

As to the fate of the LSD, I'd say it depends on two things. Firstly there's whether the rank and file Labour MPs, members and constituency associations will follow Morrison or stay put. If they sit, then the LSD becomes the 1930s equivalent of the 1980s Alliance, the Liberals get a new faction to squabble with, the TUC gets the Labour Party it always wanted and the Conservatives probably get a quiet life for the next few years (barring interruptions from Mr Hitler, of course).

If they mostly jump, the next question is whether the TUC swallows its pride and backs the LSD as less worse than the Conservatives, or whether it goes back to its roots and starts rebuilding an Independent Labour party in its own image. In the first case the net effect is that the Labour party takes a pace to the right, absorbing the Liberals under one wing while losing some true believers from the other, and the parliamentary party regains the whip hand over the TUC (I suspect Morrison & Dalton would not be too unhappy at this outcome). In the second case, you get a very unstable trinary with two leftish parties (and on some issues, the LSD is further left than the TUC) fighting each other and the Tories. The LSD has the organisation and wider appeal outside the urban working class, Independent Labour has the core vote and the TUC's money. In that case I'd expect the LSD to make a big play of being the progressive internationalist party (both the others are UK-centric and pretty socially conservative). Hmm - no FDR in this timeline to be the obvious inspiration, is there a successful Social Democratic/Popular Front government in Europe they could point to? France? Sweden?
 
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Hmm, bit quiet in here... is there a new patch out for HOI3 or something?!? ;)

Dury.
 
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Nathan Madien - The factionalism of politics is truly a universal problem. Still could be worse, it could be Proportional Representation where all sorts of unsavoury nutters get power.

C&D - They will need a new party colour. I'm thinking Orange (Red and Yellow together) but that may be a bit tacky and will confuse everyone in Northern Ireland immensely.

Bafflegab - Both very good points. Trying to play up splits in other people's party is not a safe game to play if your own party is less than secure, particularly as the Conservatives are probably going to want as many Nat Libs to join them as possible so can't be too nasty or they'll drive more away than they gain.

merrick - I'll concede it's a gamble for Morrison to leave, but ambitious men often take big risks hoping for big rewards and he had no shortage. Moreover he has been frozen out till the TUC loose their grip, which could take years or decades for all he knows. So if he wants high office he's little to lose but everything to gain.

The future of the LSD is probably a matter of wait and see till the next by-election or other big event when the party's popularity can be properly gauged. Short-term I think it's ~20 odd Labour MPs with nothing to lose, the centrist rank and file members (i.e. not that many, as always the party was further left than it's MPs) and none of the constituency associations. But people will be watching, if the LSD can put together a suitable platform that grabs votes and the TUC continue to alienate people while making a 'pure' Labour party more will follow.

Duritz - Nope, the reviews have been fairly disappointing and HOI3 seems overly slow and badly bugged even by Paradox's own unique standards.

DonnieBaseball - Amen, the HOI3 demo looked at my CPU and just laughed. While it did (eventually) load it was an unpleasant experience. :shudder:


Naval porn ahoy, starting with those much maligned beasties the battlecruisers!

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Arse. If I had been paying attention I wouldn't have posted this and instead had the top of page placing for the next update.
 
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A British tar is a soaring soul,
As free as a mountain bird,
His energetic fist should be ready to resist
A dictatorial word.
His nose should pant,
and his lip should curl,
His cheeks should flame
and his brow should furl,
His bosom should heave,
and his heart should glow,
And his fist be ever ready for a knock-down blow.

His nose should pant and his lip should curl,
His cheeks should flame and his brow should furl,
His bosom should heave and his heart should glow,
And his fist be ever ready for a knock-down blow.

His eyes should flash with an inborn fire,
His brow with scorn be wrung;
He never should bow down to a domineering frown,
Or the tang of a tyrant tongue.

His foot should stamp,
and his throat should growl,
His hair should twirl,
and his face should scowl,
His eyes should flash,
and his breast protrude,
And this should be his customary attitude.

His foot should stamp, and his throat should growl,
His hair should twirl, and his face should scowl;
His eyes should flash, and his breast protrude,
And this should be his customary attitude, his attitude, his attitude, his attitude.​
 
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Spam.

My mission is done, now I`ll go play Victoria. :)

If only Vicky and HOI could be merged, it would be an ultimate grand strategy game. Now I can either build superb economy (where using every national resource to build army is a bad thing) and play with annoying and boring military, or build boring economy and play with interesting units (that actually have orders, so I dont have to move ironclads every 12 seconds if I want them to patrol something). :(
 
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Noted and agreed... but by reports HOI3 1.3 is showing signs of life...

Naval porn brings me closer to sweet, sweet tanks! :D

Dury.
 
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El Pip said:
Naval porn ahoy, starting with those much maligned beasties the battlecruisers!
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Battlecruisers...one of those things I build without ever having a reason to build them.

I guess this is spam #32.
 
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Well if a poll is all we need to get to the next page quicker...

Which character do you want to see Pippy kill off in this AAR?

a. Austen Chamberlain

b. a small puppy

c. Winston Churchill

All voting restricted to this page. Pippy guarenteed to follow through on the results of the poll within three updates.*

I'll get the voting underway by voting for Winston Churchill. :D

Cheers,
Dury.

* This statement has no basis in fact. :eek:o
 
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Duritz said:
Well if a poll is all we need to get to the next page quicker...

Which character do you want to see Pippy kill off in this AAR?

a. Austen Chamberlain

b. a small puppy

c. Winston Churchill

All voting restricted to this page. Pippy guarenteed to follow through on the results of the poll within three updates.*

I'll get the voting underway by voting for Winston Churchill. :D

Cheers,
Dury.

* This statement has no basis in fact. :eek:o
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How about Austen Chamberlain being savaged to death by the small puppy who turns out to be related to the White Rabbit from Monty Python......
 
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Duritz said:
c. Winston Churchill
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I too would vote for Churchill, except with this author he'd come back from the dead 3 days later. It's already a hagiography, after all.
 
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Faeelin said:
I too would vote for Churchill, except with this author he'd come back from the dead 3 days later. It's already a hagiography, after all.
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Really? It's a while since I read the 'back catalogue' as it were, but doesn't Churchill get booted early after Abyssinia with the implication he's probably not going to get back? Of course I suppose he might be back come the war (if El Pip hasn't grown old and died before then, that is), and thereby ended up with longer overall in office, but that doesn't seem terribly clear at the moment.
 
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