Well, in the case of the AAO Singapore, they would be escorted by Spitfires as far out as possible.
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Spits in Malay?!? I'll believe it when I see it... and I expect that to be after 1944! 
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Spits in Malay?!? I'll believe it when I see it... and I expect that to be after 1944!
Oh, they are there already... in March 1941.
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KiMaSa - Given the Air Staff hasn't changed much I imagine they'll want to send long range heavy bombers to level Japan and as little else as possible. I imagine this is not what everyone else wants to hear though,it will be interesting to see what they're forced to send.
Nathan Madien - It wouldn't have taken much to save those two ships, hell even a little bit more luck for the PoW might have been enough. If war comes I imagine any RN force will be far larger, though that could just mean more targets!
DonnieBaseball - The FAA update is seemingly popular, I'll have to fit it in alongside the Army one after the Amsterdam Conference. There are plans though.
As to torpedoes, they are now officially sanctioned as 'the big threat' so will be on the table. I can say it will be in the next update, but no more.
trekaddict - Coastal Command may have a slightly high profile, but they will have to fight hard against everyone else with their own priorities. Pretty much the entire RAF has it's eyes on new toys and there's only so much budget.
Nathan Madien - Not very well I'd imagine, Beauts were relatively slow and not exactly bristling with guns. Their OTL record against even Italian fighters wasn't special. Still the South China Sea is a big old place and a long way from any pre-war Italian airbases.
Duritz - Your just bitter that Australia lost the second test, gone 1-0 down and that Ponting has become a Whinging Aussie.
Nathan Madien - It wouldn't have taken much to save those two ships, hell even a little bit more luck for the PoW might have been enough. If war comes I imagine any RN force will be far larger, though that could just mean more targets!
DonnieBaseball - The FAA update is seemingly popular, I'll have to fit it in alongside the Army one after the Amsterdam Conference. There are plans though.
As to torpedoes, they are now officially sanctioned as 'the big threat' so will be on the table. I can say it will be in the next update, but no more.
trekaddict - Coastal Command may have a slightly high profile, but they will have to fight hard against everyone else with their own priorities. Pretty much the entire RAF has it's eyes on new toys and there's only so much budget.
Nathan Madien - Not very well I'd imagine, Beauts were relatively slow and not exactly bristling with guns. Their OTL record against even Italian fighters wasn't special. Still the South China Sea is a big old place and a long way from any pre-war Italian airbases.
Duritz - Your just bitter that Australia lost the second test, gone 1-0 down and that Ponting has become a Whinging Aussie.
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And you're just a whingeing Pom who can't seem to remember the series after 2005... anywho, just wait till the fat lady and all that, what!
Apologies trekkie, I missed the reference to your AAR. Yours is obviously a far better story than this one...
Dury.
Apologies trekkie, I missed the reference to your AAR. Yours is obviously a far better story than this one...
Dury.
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Is it an update? Yes. Is it for this AAR? No I'm afraid not. Night shifts have proven decidedly un-helpful for producing updates for Butterfly Effect, I think the lack of reference material and internet is probably to blame, however it has inspired me to start a French narrative AAR;
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No I don't know why either.
Rest assured this will continue and remains top priority, the first chunk of the next update has been started and should be done soonish.
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No I don't know why either.
Rest assured this will continue and remains top priority, the first chunk of the next update has been started and should be done soonish.
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At least you aren't quietly letting your AAR slowly drift into the blackhole of "whatever happen to that AAR?"
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Just out of interest have you got any plans for a long term survival of the Empire as an entity in any way shape or form?
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He said once that he imagines it as some sort of NATO/EU mix (economic and military alliance). But Im wondering about economy - british economic history of 20 century is a story of a slow decline - for example Japan would surpass UK much sooner without the war according to prewar growth rates, so this is just as important as keeping the Empire united for preventing british decline. And this is not impossible, resources and population of the Empire should make it more than a match for a US economy.
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The big question is how you keep it united though
If I understand correctly it was Britain's inability to defend its Far Eastern empire that went a long way towards (a) inflaming nationalist forces in the colonies and (b) seeing Australia & New Zealand into the American orbit. If a war in the far east never happens or is prosecuted in a much more positive manner ...
As for British economy, the nearly 100% conversion to war production plus the terms of lend lease really wrecked things--currency reserves and the export trade were basically nil for 5 years, plus after the war US demanded that sterling become convertible which did not go well ...
A UK in TTL which is stronger economically due to better peacetime policy (more public/private investment in industry, etc.) or manages to "afford the war" better somehow would be fascinating to see, especially with the USA in this AAR very much diminished (at least at present).
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Nathan Madien - I was writing last night in fact. I have most of an update ready, it's just in the wrong order and mostly about aircraft development. I'm currently wondering how to fit it in.
Duritz - Remember this AAR's promise; significantly slower than real time or your money back. (It's taken 3 and a half years to get to Nov/Dec 1936)
Vann the Red - Would airframe porn help make amends?
Jalex - Keeping the Empire under a British banner is something of a chicle for British AARs (see For King & Country, Against All Odds)
As I have gotten my fair share of clichés already (a weak US, Italy being awful at war) on a writing level I feel I should try and avoid it. But on a personal level I don't want to write about a declining Britain, I'm doing this for my own enjoyment as much as anything else. So my plan is a compromise.
Carlstadt Boy - Good memory sir. My current plan is indeed for a turbo-charged Commonwealth type organisation. Instead of AUS/NZ/CAN drifting towards the US they keep the ties with the motherland, which in turn means Britain avoiding the siren's song of Europe. India and the Africa colonies getting independence on better terms would also help forge a long term economic/military alliance.
As you say Economics is key, avoiding Britain going bankrupt fighting WW2 will help (I'd also note Japan's pre-war growth was only achieved by red-lining the economy and storing up problems for later). Now the 1930s saw the Dollar begin to eclipse Sterling as the world's reserve currency and New York start to overtake London. With the US deep in the mire that wont happen, which has got to help considerably. Equally with Imperial Preference going better than OTL the trade links are stronger in the Empire, something we shall see more of in the next update.
DonnieBaseball - Wise words. The beefing up of the Far East will help immensely, the new naval squadron sends a strong message to Australia and New Zealand that they do gain something from the Empire.
And as you say five years of total war, economic blockade and ruinous expense destroyed the British economy. Between WW1 and WW2 the accumulated wealth of generations of Empire was spent and replaced with vast debts that were only paid off a few years ago I believe.
The question is will the next Great War be affordable? (I don't think it's too much of a spolier to say large scale war will come to the world at some point in this AAR )
Duritz - Remember this AAR's promise; significantly slower than real time or your money back. (It's taken 3 and a half years to get to Nov/Dec 1936)
Vann the Red - Would airframe porn help make amends?
Jalex - Keeping the Empire under a British banner is something of a chicle for British AARs (see For King & Country, Against All Odds)
As I have gotten my fair share of clichés already (a weak US, Italy being awful at war) on a writing level I feel I should try and avoid it. But on a personal level I don't want to write about a declining Britain, I'm doing this for my own enjoyment as much as anything else. So my plan is a compromise.
Carlstadt Boy - Good memory sir.
My current plan is indeed for a turbo-charged Commonwealth type organisation. Instead of AUS/NZ/CAN drifting towards the US they keep the ties with the motherland, which in turn means Britain avoiding the siren's song of Europe. India and the Africa colonies getting independence on better terms would also help forge a long term economic/military alliance.As you say Economics is key, avoiding Britain going bankrupt fighting WW2 will help (I'd also note Japan's pre-war growth was only achieved by red-lining the economy and storing up problems for later). Now the 1930s saw the Dollar begin to eclipse Sterling as the world's reserve currency and New York start to overtake London. With the US deep in the mire that wont happen, which has got to help considerably. Equally with Imperial Preference going better than OTL the trade links are stronger in the Empire, something we shall see more of in the next update.
DonnieBaseball - Wise words. The beefing up of the Far East will help immensely, the new naval squadron sends a strong message to Australia and New Zealand that they do gain something from the Empire.
And as you say five years of total war, economic blockade and ruinous expense destroyed the British economy. Between WW1 and WW2 the accumulated wealth of generations of Empire was spent and replaced with vast debts that were only paid off a few years ago I believe.
The question is will the next Great War be affordable? (I don't think it's too much of a spolier to say large scale war will come to the world at some point in this AAR
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I can understand you in regard to that cliche, the problem I had with this is that I wanted to do something drastically different from OTL and as I can't stand the communists, the British Empire was the most logical choice.
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Hmmm... IIRC British economic growth was bad even before WW1 and pathetic in interwar years, so even peacetime economy needs to be fixed. Some early Keynesian economics El Pip started just might do the trick.
And regarding Empire - whats the point in writing a British AAR if Empire dissolves in the end. EU/NATO idea should keep the Empire close in a realistic way.
And regarding Empire - whats the point in writing a British AAR if Empire dissolves in the end
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If the Japanese can be kept at bay, the Aussies and Kiwis will be on side (actually a Cold War in the Far East rather than decisive British victory might be best for long-term Commonwealth relations), however Canada will be a lot trickier as geography and numbers simply make America a more attractive trade partner than Britain.
Still I'm sure whatever happens it will be a solid read.
Still I'm sure whatever happens it will be a solid read.
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Pippy, I see you're in a sort of bind...
I know you want your writings to be as realistic as possible, I know you want to see the Empire re enter its pomp but I also know that any widespread fighting is going to bankrupt the Empire.
I comiserate with your predicament... out of the triumvirate of goals, I say let Economic realism fall by the wayside. This is your AAR old boy, What!
Now, on with the Aircraft porn (and hoping for the RAAF to be at the forfront of Empire inovation).
Dury.
I know you want your writings to be as realistic as possible, I know you want to see the Empire re enter its pomp but I also know that any widespread fighting is going to bankrupt the Empire.
I comiserate with your predicament... out of the triumvirate of goals, I say let Economic realism fall by the wayside. This is your AAR old boy, What!
Now, on with the Aircraft porn (and hoping for the RAAF to be at the forfront of Empire inovation).
Dury.
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Rubbish. The UK was probably the country that best weathered the depression. It's true that the British economy lost traction relative to the US and Germany, but that was unavoidable. And while it's true coal and other staple industries had a hard time this was more than offset by rapid growth in the new industries such as aircraft and cars.
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