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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrik82
    2% for the best leader to appear seems a bit low though

    And you're using the state page to generate this right?
    Well, I did not want a big odd to have a 5/5/5 leader running around, kicking Prinz Eugen in the nuts
    Most leaders generated leaders are between 3/3/3 and 4/4/4, which I like.

    And yes, I do it with Tonio's site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HolisticGod
    Fred,

    Keep in mind that the tax/manpower values have to be completely rewritten in Europe.

    Check out the EGA V thread and Ryo's forum for information on how we, at least, have chosen to go about it.
    Excellent,
    i will follow this closely.
    I suppose Ryo will release a patch whenever this is done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FAL
    Well, I did not want a big odd to have a 5/5/5 leader running around, kicking Prinz Eugen in the nuts
    Most leaders generated leaders are between 3/3/3 and 4/4/4, which I like.

    And yes, I do it with Tonio's site.
    I'm not very eager to generate Eugen styled leaders either.
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    If this game turns out to be Tuesday or Wednesday, I would be enthusiastic/honoured to sub two weeks out of three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djeheuty
    If this game turns out to be Tuesday or Wednesday, I would be enthusiastic/honoured to sub two weeks out of three.
    You can be my "perm" sub
    As i work every fifth week at this times i will need a reliable sub
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    Fred,

    We doing Mondays or what? It'd be good to get that out of the way, at least, so we have a permanent roster that can discuss the other issues.

    And I would suggest, for this game, that you do at least the following:

    1. Boost Suleyman to 4 shock (he ought to be higher, but ah well)
    2. Boost Wallenstein to 5-5-5 (superb general)
    3. Boost Eugene to 5-6-6 (equal to Marley)
    4. Extend Frederick the Great to 1786, both monarch and leader
    5. Trim the uber English admirals so they aren't unbeatable (I'm thinking more Nelson-Cochrane here than Drake-Monke)
    6. Equalize the stats of Charles V and Carlos I or change Austria's monarch to Ferdinand (not recommended), because this is not an historical reproduction and Charles' focus for the HRE and Spain in history ought not impact his abilities as though he had dissociative identity disorder

    Just a few things that are discussed a lot but nobody (including me) ever remembers to edit before a game starts, and then of course it's inappropriate to make these changes (except Frederick) after the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolisticGod
    Fred,

    We doing Mondays or what? It'd be good to get that out of the way, at least, so we have a permanent roster that can discuss the other issues..
    Agreed, but we need to get a full roster first before we can decied what day to play. We currently got 8 players signed up, we'll need four more.
    I expect a few others from BF3 to join in aswell.
    As it looks like now, it seems like people prefer Monday or Tuesday most. Mondays seems to be free from MP games, so i actually prefer this day aswell. It should be easy to find subs that day.
    We'll see, hopefully we will know in the next few days.

    Quote Originally Posted by HolisticGod
    And I would suggest, for this game, that you do at least the following:

    1. Boost Suleyman to 4 shock (he ought to be higher, but ah well)
    2. Boost Wallenstein to 5-5-5 (superb general)
    3. Boost Eugene to 5-6-6 (equal to Marley)
    4. Extend Frederick the Great to 1786, both monarch and leader
    5. Trim the uber English admirals so they aren't unbeatable (I'm thinking more Nelson-Cochrane here than Drake-Monke)
    6. Equalize the stats of Charles V and Carlos I or change Austria's monarch to Ferdinand (not recommended), because this is not an historical reproduction and Charles' focus for the HRE and Spain in history ought not impact his abilities as though he had dissociative identity disorder

    Just a few things that are discussed a lot but nobody (including me) ever remembers to edit before a game starts, and then of course it's inappropriate to make these changes (except Frederick) after the start.
    I consider it a dangerous thing to start edit around with leaders, if Eugene is boosted, then so should villars, if wallenstein is boosted, then so should Torstensson etc etc.

    As for Frederich, is that because of historical accuracy or a "balance" thingy?

    boosting suleyman to chock 4 seems reasonable though.

    If we play with the land 5 rule, which is very likely, then it doesn't feel right to weaken British admirals really
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    Fredrick,

    I hope you reconsider. British admirals are virtually indestructible, land 5 or no.

    Frederick is an historical thing. He ruled until 1786 and took to the field in person as late as 1778, in order to force Austria out of Bavaria. He won, incidentally, without breaking a sweat. I have no idea why Paradox chose to cut him off in 1780.

    Villars shouldn't be boosted just because Eugene is, nor Tortensson because Wallenstein is. Those two leaders are underpowered, and the HRE gets no six stat leaders in its entire file. Not a one. So you have England, France, Russia, Sweden, Spain, Prussia, even the OE with them and Prinz Eugene, one of the finest generals in the EU II era, is a piddly 5-5-5. Moreover, Wallenstein lost one battle as a I recall, Lutzen, which wasn't exactly anybody's shining moment.

    The HRE had piss-poor leadership in this period. No doubt about it. Its nepotism was a serious problem. But Eugene and Wallenstein were superb commanders, and they ought to get better billing. I don't think it's unreasonable for Austria to get one leader with two 6 stats and another 5-5-5, considering France gets multiple 6's and multiple 5-5-5's, as does England.

    And Eugene was a better general than Villars, anyway. Austria's one good leader has to coexist with a 6-5-6 (Charles XII), a 5-6-6 (Marley) and a 4-5-5 (Villars)? Bah. He ought to have his own edge.
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    HG,

    I will consider it
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    I agree with HG but lets face it austrias has very nice leader file that serves them well.

    Incidently montrose needs higher stats
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrik82
    As it looks like now, it seems like people prefer Monday or Tuesday most. Mondays seems to be free from MP games, so i actually prefer this day aswell. It should be easy to find subs that day.
    We'll see, hopefully we will know in the next few days.
    I can't play mondays. And the only current game on tuesdays is an American timezone game (Americans take Europe 2), shouldn't conflict.

    Also, for what's worth it. I am against locked land 5 rule. Or, at least, exclude Portugal and Brandenburg from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FAL
    Also, for what's worth it. I am against locked land 5 rule. Or, at least, exclude Portugal and Brandenburg from it.
    Kinda agree with you there FAL.

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    FAL,

    Brandenburg (eventually) benefits massively from the rule. And Portugal isn't really except insofar as it's easier for Spain and France and Co. to surpass it navally.

    However, that's not really relevant as Portugal's naval support is so piddly now it'll inevitably be crushed by the English. At least with land 5, it has many potential allies to help it with that situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolisticGod
    FAL,

    Brandenburg (eventually) benefits massively from the rule. And Portugal isn't really except insofar as it's easier for Spain and France and Co. to surpass it navally.
    Well, Brandenburg perhaps benefits from it after 1750. The majority of the timeframe a navy is useless for them. Too poor and no explorers. I would argue the same for Poland, but that country probably has too big an advantage if it would be allowed to stay at full land.

    Or do you mean that Brandenburg benefits from a land 5 Austria and such? That's true, but that's also why I wanted to make Brandenburg and Portugal the exceptions, while keeping the rule for the rest.

    As for Portugal,
    A lot would depend on the manpower. I believe it has 50 manpower with Ryo's mod?

    However, that's not really relevant as Portugal's naval support is so piddly now it'll inevitably be crushed by the English. At least with land 5, it has many potential allies to help it with that situation.
    With full naval, Portugal will be longer a naval contender. I reall, really don't see an use for a land 5 Portugal if it keeps the 15 manpower from vanilla It just means more expensive ships for her.

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    I'm interested. Looking forward to try out Kasperus' Map.
    Regarding the time i have no real preference, both monday and tuesday are fine with me.

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    Updates from the first post

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    NOTE: This is no rules. But this is about how i expect the players to behave in the game. 95% of this is natural stuff to the most of us in the EU2 community, but i like to be clear!
    I prefer games with little amount of rules, i dont like the thought of being controled by the rules, and thus be forced to play a certain way because of them. I consider it impossible to create perfect rules, as no MP situation is alike. Therefore i rather encourage players to play in a way that create a more funny game for all of us. Respect is the key here!

    - If you crash ingame, turn on ICQ/MSN and message the host/GM asap. First then a rehost will be discussed ingame. Normaly we rehost after two years, if the crashed player is in war with another human, we will rehost directly.
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    We still need 2-3 more players. I dont consider this a problem though, as i got several players that i know is interested in joining the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrik82
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    Your link seems to contain something naughty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldzwerg
    Your link seems to contain something naughty.
    It is supposed to be R.yoken without the dot
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    Fred,

    1.04 is in the main playable. There are some problems-notably with starting Spanish and Scandinavian base tax and Scandinavian manpower-but not as many as was feared. If a game has a Poland and an active OE-French alliance, Austria's starting uberness ought to be all right-if not, however, and it gets hold of Hungary and Bohemia... Well, this ain't your grand mother's Austria.

    As such, I think we ought to start debating options/edits now so we can pick countries in a couple days and start next Monday. The new map is great fun and I'd like to get to it, and I also think this thread will stagnate if we hold all conversation until we have twelve players.
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    HoG, take a look at Fred's Austria in the thursday AoD game. He knows about it

    I propose to lower the manpower of Portugal a bit. Portugal basically makes Spain too strong now. Sweden could have lower manpower as well.

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