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    Updated the three Indian cuntry descriptions - minor changes only but I'll post them anyway:

    PAK; Delhi

    The syndicalist revolution in Britain precipitated the collapse of the British Empire. In India a combination of princes, rajahs, nationalists and syndicalists started breaking up the sub-continent. Realising the irretrevable nature of the disaster Governer-General Isaacs, now left only with north-west India, chose to create a free nation himself and by doing so ensured that it would remain friendly to royalist interests. The move recieved harsh criticism form some - India was after all the Jewel of the Empire - but the royalist government realised and accepted the necesssity of the move in the short-term. The new state of Delhi has thus remained in a close partnership with Canada and its allies. Muhammed Shuja Al-Mulk was placed on the throne as Prince of Delhi, and has been advised by a mixed group of Indians (particularly Sikhs) and British advisors. In the decade since its formation Delhi has struggled to consolidate its position in India, clearing out several of the smaller regimes that had sprung up and maintaining a strong front against the syndicalist forces in Bengal. However unrest is growing in its lands as syndicalist spies and sympathisers use anti-colonial propaganda to stir up the peasantry. At the same time rumours have begun to spread about a possible resurrection of the Mughal Empire, which dominated India in the 16th and 17th centuries. Indeed some rumours suggest that an heir of the Mughal royal family itself survives and if these are true he may prove to be a focus for rebellion in the future.

    IND; Princely Federation

    With the revolution of 1925 going on in Britain India became a power vacuum which various factions raced to fill. The creation of a federal state in the south was more an attempt by the local rulers to protect their lands and riches from the chaos. Nevertheless it proved able to become a stable nation, one in which each of the local princes and rajahs had a say in government. Unsurprisingly tensions have arisen amongst the lowers classes of society about their exculsion from political life in the Federation. A few of the rajahs believe that Bengalese synidcalist influences are behind the unrest, although there is no evidence for that view. The Princely Federation by 1936 controls the entire southern part of the subcontinent but further expansion is limited by their two big neighbours - Bengal and Delhi. This suits the ruling princes just fine as their neighbours also prevent aggression from other nations and at the moment strong isolationist factions dominate the ruling elite. A new idealogy, tentatively termed as 'Hindu-Conservatism' has come into being, making full use of Hindu caste systems to perpetuate the position of the ruling elite while emphasising the need for internal, not external, growth. Perhaps the one exception to all this concerns the island of Ceylon, which is currently in German hands. Many of the rajahs feel that the island could all too easily act as a base for new waves of colonial aggression into India, this time from Germany. Unfortunately Germany has already refused two offers to buy the island from them and concern is thus growing. In 1936 then the Princely Federation is for the most part inward looking and focused on stability rather than expansion but potential for conflict exists just across the seas. Moreover, with the significant muslim minority in the country feeling vulnerable domestic conflict could accompany any foreign conflict.

    PRK; Bengal

    In the complete collapse of British control of India that came in 1936 it was the growing syndicalist movement in India that was first to act. On October 19th 1925 the Ryot Republic of Bengal was proclaimed in Calcutta. Of course in reality it was not as easy as that. While the British garrisons were by then being withdrawn many other groups opposed the new state and it was not untill 1927 that Bengal was at peace, by which time two other large Indian states were in place blocking further syndicalist expansion. Thus the government of Bengal chose to look inwards temporarily, rooting out 'imperialist sympathisers' and trying to repair the damage caused to infrastructure and industry by the chaos, while also avoiding the attentions of Germany who was not sympathetic to the syndicalist state. In the early 30's Bengal began to look outwards once more. Unwilling to risk a large scale war immediately Bengali foreign policy instead aimed at supporting syndicalist movements in its neighbours in the hopes of causing political collapse, which would allow a military invasion to take place. By 1936 there was evidence that this strategem was beginning to bear fruit in Indo-china and in Delhi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arilou
    Phew, that ought to be the lead-up to the war from the bourgesie POV.... Now I'll just have to code the actual "war-ending" events, as well as the Syndicalist version of the event-chain.
    Nice, but I don't think Kosola would have formed a government, yes he was quite ambitious, but the aims of the Lapua movement was to insert a respectable rightist politician as the leader of Finland. Mannerheim could have become president (or something else, since Finland is a monarchy under Wäinö I in this mod.) if the Mäntsälä uprising would have succeeded, and he accepted the task. (Mannerheim's position in the Kosola question remain unknown).
    Kosola was acctually quite neutral in the finnish- swedish laguage conflict, but it's true that many of his supporters were pro- fennomans, wanting finnish to become the only language of the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourworstnightm
    Nice, but I don't think Kosola would have formed a government, yes he was quite ambitious, but the aims of the Lapua movement was to insert a respectable rightist politician as the leader of Finland. Mannerheim could have become president (or something else, since Finland is a monarchy under Wäinö I in this mod.) if the Mäntsälä uprising would have succeeded, and he accepted the task. (Mannerheim's position in the Kosola question remain unknown).
    Kosola was acctually quite neutral in the finnish- swedish laguage conflict, but it's true that many of his supporters were pro- fennomans, wanting finnish to become the only language of the nation.
    It was some other finn that suggested Kosola as an ultranationalist finnish leader *shrugs* I don't know much about it to tell you the truth....

    You could try looking for the actual discussion (a LOONG way back) if you'd like.
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    ##### Swedish-Finnish war: Bourgesie track: Possibly resolutions#####
    #################################################


    #####Swedes are victorious, no german support chain#####

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = SWE
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    flag = finnish_war_bourgesie
    atwar = FIN
    owned = { province = 103 data = FIN }#Åland#
    owned = { province = 141 data = FIN }#Turkku#
    owned = { province = 142 data = FIN }#Helsinki#
    owned = { province = 138 data = FIN }#Vasa#
    NOT = {
    flag = german_support_sweden
    control = { province = 103 data = FIN } #Åland#
    control = { province = 141 data = FIN } #Turkku#
    control = { province = 142 data = FIN } #Helsingfors#
    control = { province = 138 data = FIN }#Vasa/Vaasa#
    #Should take care of any situation with swedish allies, No?#
    }
    }

    name = "The Three Crowns Victorious!"
    desc = "Our war against the finns has been brought to an almost certain conclusion, we have now only to decide what demands to make of the finns."

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1937 }
    offset = 30
    deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1949 }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 50
    name = "Let us demand Åland, as we originally planned."
    command = { type = money value = 300 }
    command = { type = trigger which = #The Swedes demand Åland# }
    }




    action_b = {
    ai_chance = 30
    name = "Let us demand all swedish-speaking areas!"
    command = { type = money value = 100 }
    command = { type = trigger which = #The Swedes demand all swedish-speaking areas# }
    command = { type = addcore which = 103 }#Åland#
    command = { type = addcore which = 141 }#Åbo#
    command = { type = addcore which = 138 }#Vaasa#
    command = { type = addcore which = 131 }#Tornio., not a swedish-speaking province, but the other one is Helsinki and that probably shouldn't be ceded#


    }
    action_c = {
    ai_chance = 20
    name = "Let us go for total victory!"
    command = { type = belligerence which = SWE value = 2 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 103 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 141 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 138 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 142 }#Parts of Finland with large swedish-speaking minority#
    }

    #### Finnish Response to demands on Åland ####

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = FIN
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    #Triggered#
    }

    name = "The Swedes Demand Åland"
    desc = "With our armies beaten in the field and our major cities in the hands of the swedes, they have nonetheless chosen to settle only for the Åland archipelago. Should we accept?"

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 90
    name = "Yes, let us bring and end to this war!"
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = SWE value = 103 } #Åland#
    command = { type = domestic which = interventionism value = -6 }
    command = { type = domestic which = defense_lobby value = -6 }
    command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = 1 }
    command = { type = domestic which = political_left value = 2 }
    command = { type = domestic which = democratic value = 4 } #New government#
    command = { type = sleepminister which = 29065 }#Kosola is removed#
    command = { type = trigger which = #The Finns hand over Åland# }
    command = { type = peace which = SWE value = 0 }#Peace#
    #Could probably be a way to bring Finland into "Monarchist Scandinavia"#
    }




    action_b = {
    ai_chance = 10
    name = "No! We must fight until the bitter end!"
    command = { type = trigger which = #The Finns fight on# }
    command = { type = dissent value = 15 }

    }


    ####The Swedes demand swedish-speaking Finland####

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = FIN
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    #Triggered#
    }

    name = "The Swedes demand Swedish-speaking Finland"
    desc = "With our armies defeated in the field and our major cities in the hands of the enemy, the swedes have decided to demand the provinces with the largest swedish-speaking minorities. What should we do?"

    picture = "politics2"

    date = {}
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 70
    name = "We have no choice but to hand them over!"
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = SWE value = 103 }
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = SWE value = 141 }
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = SWE value = 138 }
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = SWE value = 131 } #Swedish-speaking Finland -Helsinki + Torneå#
    command = { type = domestic which = interventionism value = -6 }
    command = { type = domestic which = defense_lobby value = -6 }
    command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = 1 }
    command = { type = domestic which = political_left value = 2 }
    command = { type = domestic which = democratic value = 4 } #New government#
    command = { type = sleepminister which = 29065 }#Kosola is removed#
    command = { type = trigger which = #The Finns hand over Swedish-speaking Finland# }
    command = { type = peace which = SWE value = 0 }#Peace#
    }




    action_b = {
    ai_chance = 30
    name = "Never! We will fight to the bitter end!"
    command = { type = trigger which = #The Finns fight on# }
    command = { type = dissent value = 10 }


    }

    ####Sweden recieves Åland####

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = SWE
    style = 0

    trigger = {#Triggered#

    }

    name = "The Finns cede Åland"
    desc = "Intimidated by our victories, the finns have decided to cede Åland. Celebrations have sponteanously broken out in Stockholm at these joyuous news!"

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 100
    name = "Wondrous news!"
    command = { type = set_relation which = FIN value = 25 }#Relations normalization#
    }

    ####Sweden recieves Swedish-Speaking Finland####

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = SWE
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    #Triggered#
    }

    name = "The Finns hand over swedish-speaking Finland"
    desc = "After our glorious victory, the Finns have ceded the provinces with the largest swedish-speaking minorities to us! Celebrations have been held in Stockholm at this joyous occasion!"

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 100
    name = "Excellent!"
    command = { type = set_relation which = FIN value = -50 }
    command = { type = belligerence which = SWE value = 1 }
    }


    }
    ####The Finns fight to the bitter end####

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = SWE
    style = 0

    trigger = {

    }

    name = "The Finns fight on!"
    desc = "Despite our overwhelming military victory and our generous peace-terms the finns have decided to fight on."

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 100
    name = "If it is war they want..."
    command = { type = addcore which = 103 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 141 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 138 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 142 }#Parts of Finland with large swedish-speaking minority#
    }


    }
    Going to write up the finnish victory event soon, and then versions of both with German support.... I keep thinking of things the finns would demand if they were victorious though. Kiruna/Luleå provinces certainly (finnish-speaking minorities) But what about more extreme demands? Puppeting Sweden? All of Norrland?

    Any ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arilou
    I keep thinking of things the finns would demand if they were victorious though. Kiruna/Luleå provinces certainly (finnish-speaking minorities) But what about more extreme demands? Puppeting Sweden? All of Norrland?

    Any ideas?
    Propably Kiruna and Luleå with the pan-finnic stuff going on. Puppeting sweden sounds good as there is now way Finland would want extra swedes in this timeline...
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    The continuation of the events following the 1940 strike. I apologize for using Marinus van der Lubbe, but admit, it is a nice easter egg!

    Code:
    # Fall of the Commune of the Ruhr
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx18
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
            trigger = {
                    event = xxx7
                    NOT = {
                        exists = xxx # Commune of the Ruhr
                        war = { country = GER country = FRA }
                    }
            }
    
    	name = "The Fall of the Commune and the Documents in the Cellar"
    	desc = "For weeks, the smoke of hundreds of fires had lain heavily across the Rhineland as german troops fought house by house, factory by factory, street by street against stiff resistance from the sundicalist revolutionaries. Now, the Commune had been crushed, and the Rhineland slowly started to heal again. However, in the cellar of the bombed-out Commune congressional palace in Köln, papers were found, detailing arms shipments from France to the Commune..."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 15 month = may year = 1940 }
            offset = 5
            deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1948 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Make a formal complaint and start gearing for war"
    		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -100 }
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx19 }
                    command = { type = independence which = BEL } #Just in case...
                    command = { type = setflag = GER_gearing }
    	}
    	action_b = {
    		name = "This means war!"
    		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -200 }
                    command = { type = independence which = BEL } #Just in case...
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx20 }
                    command = { type = war which = FRA }
    	}
    	action_c = {
    		name = "This is unimportant"
    		command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
                    command = { type = independence which = BEL } #Just in case...
    	}
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx19
    	random = no
    	country = FRA
    
    	name = "The Documents in the Cellar"
    	desc = "The germans have found a large stash of documents detailing our arms shipments to the now defeated Commune of the Ruhr. They are accusing us of meddling in their internal affairs."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
                    ai_chance = 85
    		name = "Make half-hearted apologies and start gearing for war"
                    command = { type = setflag = FRA_gearing } 
    	}
    	action_b = {
    		name = "We have to apologize"
                    ai_chance = 5
    		command = { type = relation which = GER value = 20 }
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx21 }
                    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
    	}
    	action_c = {
    		name = "These documents are german falsifications!"
                    ai_chance = 10
    		command = { type = relation which = GER value = -200 }
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx23 }
    	}
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx20
    	random = no
    	country = FRA
    
    	name = "The Hour of Vengeance has Come!"
    	desc = "The germans have found a large stash of documents that details our arms shipments to the now defeated Commune of the Ruhr. Hungry for vengeance, hundreds of thousands of german troops are pouring across the border!"
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "We should have told them to burn their documents..."
                    command = { } 
    	}
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx21
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
    	name = "The French Apologize"
    	desc = "The french have apologized for supplying the Commune of the Ruhr."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Good, we're settled"
                    command = { } 
    	}
    	action_b = {
    		name = "France will never threaten us again, demand frontier provinces!"
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx22 } 
    	}
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx22
    	random = no
    	country = FRA
    
    	name = "The Germans Want More"
    	desc = "Now content with our apology, the germans have descided to demand that we secede several strategic frontier provinces."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Never, war!"
                    command = { type = war which = GER } 
    	}
    	action_b = {
    		name = "We have to accept"
                    command = { type = secedeprovince which = 64 data = GER } 
                    command = { type = secedeprovince which = 317 data = GER } 
                    command = { type = dissent value = 20 }
    	}
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx23
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
    	name = "France Contests our Demands"
    	desc = "The french have claimed that the documents presented by us that details the french crimes in supplying the Commune are falsifications. Strong voices in the military are beeing raised in favor of going to war with the french communards."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Strike them down!"
                    ai_chance = 50
                    command = { type = war which = FRA } 
    	}
    	action_b = {
    		name = "Grumble..."
                    ai_chance = 50
                    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
                    command = { type = setflag = GER_gearing }
                    command = { type = setflag = FRA_gearing }
    	}
    }
    
    # The DSA
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx12
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
            trigger = {
                    flag = "repatriation_movement_GER"
            }
    
    	name = "The Formation of the DSA"
    	desc = "The DSA (German Syndicalist Army) was a splinter group - some say branch - of the Repatriation Party, which was determined to annex large parts of western Germany to France through violence. Initially, their assaults were rather small - a couple of car bombs and three assasinations - but would soon grow larger."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 21 month = august year = 1940 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "We will not be intimidated"
                    command = { type = dissent value = 1 }
            }
    }
    
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx13
    	random = no
    	country = BEL
    
            trigger = {
                    flag = "repatriation_movement_BEL"
            }
    
    	name = "The DSA in Flandern-Wallonien"
    	desc = "The DSA (German Syndicalist Army) was a splinter group - some say branch - of the Repatriation Party, which was determined to annex large parts of western Germany to France through violence. Initially, their attacks in Falndern-Wallonien were rather small - a couple of car bombs and an assasination - but would soon grow larger."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 21 month = august year = 1940 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "We will not be intimidated"
                    command = { type = dissent value = 1 }
            }
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx14
    	random = no
    	country = FRA
    
            trigger = {
                    OR = {
                       flag = "repatriation_movement_GER"
                       flag = "repatriation_movement_BEL"
                    }
            }
    
    	name = "The Formation of the DSA"
    	desc = "The DSA (German Syndicalist Army) was a splinter group - some say branch - of the Repatriation Party, which was determined to annex large parts of western Germany to France through violence. This presented the Commune with an excellent weapon against the hated germans..."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 21 month = august year = 1940 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Give them weapons"
                    command = { type = supplies value = -50 }
            }
    }
    
    # The DSA bombing campaign of 1941
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx15
    	random = no
    	country = FRA
    
            trigger = {
                    flag = "repatriation_movement_GER"
                    flag = "repatriation_movement_BEL"
                    event = 13
                    event = 12
                    NOT = {
                        war = { country = GER country = FRA }
                    }
            }
    
    	name = "Operation Pawn"
    	desc = "In 1941, the DSA had grown strong enough to launch a major bombing campaign against german and flemish-waloon targets. This operation was directed from Paris and codenamed Operation Pawn. Symbolicly, it would begin on May 1st."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 28 month = april year = 1941 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Prepare for Operation Pawn"
                    command = { type = supplies value = -100 }
                    command = { type = setflag = operation_pawn }
            }
    	action_b = {
    		name = "Leave the DSA to their own devices"
                    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
            }
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx16
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
            trigger = {
                    flag = "operation_pawn"
            }
    
    	name = "The DSA Bombing Campaign of 1941"
    	desc = "In 1941, the DSA had grown strong enough to launch a major bombing campaign against german and flemish-waloon targets. Hundreds of bombs were exploded all across the Rheinland, and in other parts of Germany."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1941 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "How horrible!"
                    command = { type = supplies value = -100 }
                    command = { type = construct which = industry where = -1 value = -1 }
                    command = { type = construct which = industry where = -1 value = -1 }
                    command = { type = construct which = industry where = -1 value = -1 }
                    command = { type = construct which = infrastructure where = -1 value = -10 }
                    command = { type = construct which = infrastructure where = -1 value = -10 }
                    command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
            }
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx17
    	random = no
    	country = BEL
    
            trigger = {
                    flag = "operation_pawn"
            }
    
    	name = "The DSA Bombing Campaign of 1941"
    	desc = "In 1941, the DSA had grown strong enough to launch a major bombing campaign against german and flemish-waloon targets. Hundreds of bombs were exploded all across Fandern-Wallonien, causing great damage."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1941 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "How horrible!"
                    command = { type = supplies value = -100 }
                    command = { type = construct which = industry where = -1 value = -1 }
                    command = { type = construct which = industry where = -1 value = -1 }
                    command = { type = construct which = infrastructure where = -1 value = -10 }
                    command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
            }
    }
    
    # Operation Pappenheim
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx24
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
            trigger = {
                    flag = "operation_pawn"
                    event = xxx16
                    NOT = {
                        war = { country = FRA country = GER }
                    }
            }
    
    	name = "Operation Pappenheim"
    	desc = "In responce to the DSA bombing campaign, the german army and secret service began Operation Pappenheim, a massive counterinsurgance operation, descigned to break the back of the DSA."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1941 }
            offset = 30
            deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1948 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Launch Operation Pappenheim"
                    command = { type = supplies value = -100 }
            }
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx25
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
            trigger = {
                    event = xxx25
                    NOT = {
                        war = { country = FRA country = GER }
                    }
            }
    
    	name = "The Secret Service and the Captured Dutch Terrorist"
    	desc = "In the wake of Operation Pappenheim, the german secret service captured Marinus van de Lubbe - a dutch expatriate that held a middle-ranking position in the DSA. Apart from claiming that he was the mastermind behind the bombing campaign (something that the secret service found very difficult to believe), he also claimed that the DSP was supplied and directed largely from France. Van der Lubbe was later executed by guillotine."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1941 }
            offset = 30
            deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1948 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Make a formal complaint and start gearing for war"
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx26 }
                    command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -100 }
                    command = { type = setflag = GER_gearing }
            }
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx26
    	random = no
    	country = FRA
    
    	name = "The Testimony of Van der Lubbe"
    	desc = "The germans have captured the dutch expatriate Marinus van der Lubbe, who held a middle-ranking position in the DSA. From him, they have extracted a testimony that we were supplying the DSA and directed their recent bombing campaign."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Make half-hearted apologies and start gearing for war"
                    ai_chance = 85
                    command = { type = setflag = FRA_gearing } 
    	}
    	action_b = {
    		name = "We have to apologize"
                    ai_chance = 5
    		command = { type = relation which = GER value = 20 }
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx27 }
                    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
    	}
    	action_c = {
    		name = "The confession is a german fabrication!"
                    ai_chance = 10
    		command = { type = relation which = GER value = -200 }
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx28 }
    	}
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx27
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
    	name = "The French Apologize"
    	desc = "The french have apologized for supplying the DSA."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Good, we're settled"
                    command = { } 
    	}
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx28
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
    	name = "France Contests our Demands"
    	desc = "The french have claimed that the confession of Marius van der Lubbe is fabricated by us. Strong voices in the military are beeing raised in favor of going to war with the french communards."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Strike them down!"
                    ai_chance = 50
                    command = { type = war which = FRA } 
    	}
    	action_b = {
    		name = "Grumble..."
                    ai_chance = 50
                    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
                    command = { type = setflag = GER_gearing }
                    command = { type = setflag = FRA_gearing }
    	}
    }
    
    # ...and the third option
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx29
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
            trigger = {
                    event = xxx9
            }
    
    	name = "Our Trade Unions"
    	desc = "The growth of syndicalism and the trade unions escaping government control after the 1940 strike made Berlin extremely worried. Most politicians agreed that something had to be done."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 16 month = june year = 1941 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Step on the syndicalist ones"
                    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx30 }
                    command = { type = setflag = GER_gearing }
            }
    	action_b = {
    		name = "Leave well enough alone"
                    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
            }
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx30
    	random = no
    	country = FRA
    
    	name = "Repression of Syndicalism in Germany"
    	desc = "Our syndicalist brothers in Germany are beeing repressed by the brutal boche. We must be prepared for a war of liberation."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Gear up for war"
                    command = { type = setflag = FRA_gearing }
            }
    }
    
    # And the final crisis
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx31
    	random = no
    	country = FRA
    
            trigger = {
                    flag = FRA_gearing
                    flag = GER_gearing
                    random = 75
                    NOT = {
                        war = { country = GER country = FRA }
                    }
            }
    
    	name = "The German Channel Bases"
    	desc = "Ever since the end of the Great War, german troops have occupied several bases on the channel coast. With the rsising tension between Germany and France, the french army had been planning to occupy them for some time. Now, the Chief of Staff has asked for permission to send in the army and drive the germans from our soil."
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1941 }
            offset = 200
            deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1948 }
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "C'est la lutte finale!"
                    ai_chance = 90 
                    command = { type = manpowerpool value = -5 } #casualties
                    command = { type = supplies value = -20 }
                    command = { type = set_relation which = GER value = -200 }
                    command = { type = trigger which = xxx32 }
            }
    	action_b = {
    		name = "War must be avoided"
                    ai_chance = 10
                    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
            }
    }
    
    event = {
    	id = xxx32
    	random = no
    	country = GER
    
    	name = "The French Occupy our Channel Bases!"
    	desc = "Ever since the end of the Great War, german troops have occupied several bases on the channel coast. Now, french troops have assaulted and overrun these bases. The entire country is screaming for vengeance!"
    	style = 0
    	picture = "Rhineland"
    
    	action_a = {
    		name = "Die Wacht am Rhein Stands Fast!"
                    ai_chance = 99 
                    command = { type = manpowerpool value = -5 } #casualties
                    command = { type = supplies value = -20 }
                    command = { type = war which = FRA }
            }
    	action_b = {
    		name = "War must be avoided"
                    ai_chance = 1
                    command = { type = dissent value = 15 }
                    command = { type = manpowerpool value = -5 } #casualties
                    command = { type = supplies value = -20 }
            }
    }

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    ##########Finno-Swedish War: Finland Wins################

    vent = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = FIN
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    owned = { province = 101 data = SWE }#Stockholm#
    owned = { province = 98 data = SWE }#Göteborg#
    owned = { province = 93 data = SWE }#Malmö#
    owned = { province = 105 data = SWE }#Karlskrona#
    flag = finnish_war_bourgesie
    atwar = SWE
    NOT = {
    control = { province = 101 data = SWE }
    control = { province = 98 data = SWE }
    control = { province = 93 data = SWE }
    control = { province = 105 data = SWE } #Should take care of any situation with allies, no?#
    flag = german_support_finland
    }
    }

    name = "The Lion Victorious!"
    desc = "Our glorious armies has easily defeated the swedes, and we are now in a position to make demands of them."

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 60
    name = "Demand Norrbottens Län, with it's finnish-speaking minority!"
    command = { type = addcore which = 126 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 127 }#Norrbottens Län#
    command = { type = trigger which = #Finland demands Norrbotten#}
    command = { type = money value = 300 }
    }




    action_b = {
    ai_chance = 30
    name = "Demand territories and install a government more to our liking!"
    command = { type = addcore which = 126 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 127 }#Norrbottens Län#
    command = { type = trigger which = #Finland demands submission#}
    command = { type = money value = 100 }
    command = { type = belligerence which = FIN value = 2 }

    }
    action_c = {
    ai_chance = 10
    name = "Let us push for total victory!"
    command = { type = belligerence which = FIN value = 10 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 126 }
    command = { type = addcore which = 127 }#Norrbottens Län#
    command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
    }

    ####Finland demands Norrbotten####

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = SWE
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    #Triggered#
    }

    name = "Finland demands Norrbotten!"
    desc = "With our armies defeated and most of our major cities in the hands of the enemy, the finns have offered us terms of surrender; They demand Norrbotten, including the rich iron-mines of Kiruna. Should we accept this?"

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 90
    name = "We have no choice but to accept!"
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = FIN value = 126 }
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = FIN value = 127 }#Norrbotten#
    command = { type = money value = -300 }
    command = { type = trigger which = #Sweden cedes Norrbotten#}
    command = { type = peace which = FIN value = 0 }#Peace#
    }




    action_b = {
    ai_chance = 10
    name = "We will fight to the end!"
    command = { type = dissent value = 15 }
    command = { type = trigger which = #Sweden refuses our terms#}

    }

    ###Finland demands swedish submission###

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = SWE
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    #Triggered#
    }

    name = "Finland demands our submission"
    desc = "The finns have decisively beaten us in the field and most of our important cities are in their hands. They have offered us peace but on harsh terms: We must not only cede them Norrbotten with it's finnish minority, but they also reserve the right to appoint us a new government.... One which will surely have their best interests at heart. What should we do?"

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 70
    name = "So be it. I for one welcome our new finnish overlords."
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = FIN value = 126 }
    command = { type = secedeprovince which = FIN value = 127 }#Norrbotten#
    command = { type = money value = -100 }
    command = { type = trigger which = #Sweden submits#}
    command = { type = peace which = FIN value = 0 }#Peace#

    }




    action_b = {
    ai_chance = 30
    name = "You can take our lives but you can never take our freedom!"
    command = { type = dissent value = 15 }
    command = { type = trigger which = #Sweden refuses our terms#}


    }


    ###Sweden refuses finnish demands###

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = FIN
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    #Triggered#
    }

    name = "Sweden has refused our terms"
    desc = "The swedish government has refused our generous peace-terms. We have no choice but to continue the war."

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = {}


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 100
    name = "So be it then!"
    command = { type = dissent value = 3 }#longer war#
    }

    ###Sweden cedes Norrbotten###

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = FIN
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    #Triggered#
    }

    name = "Sweden cedes Norrbotten"
    desc = "The Swedes have caved in to our demands and ceded Norrbotten, with it's finnish-speaking minority, to us. Our entire country is celebrating this great achievement by our Great Leader!"

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 100
    name = "A great day!"
    command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
    }

    ###Sweden submits to Finland###

    event = {
    id = ...
    random = no
    country = FIN
    style = 0

    trigger = {
    #Triggered#
    }

    name = "Sweden submits!"
    desc = "After our glorious victory, Sweden has caved in and ceded us the territories we demanded, in addition they have allowed us to appoint their next government. These great news has caused spontaneous celebrations to erupt all over Finland, honouring our Great Leader!"

    picture = "politics2"

    date = { }
    offset = 150
    deathdate = { }


    action_a = {
    ai_chance = 100
    name = "Excellent!"
    command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
    command = { type = make_puppet which = SWE }
    }
    Now I just have to make events for a german-supported victory for either country, I'm thinking that whatever the swedes/finns decide to do, Germany will "win" by puppeting the loser.... Or something.
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    Hi All

    Sorry I have been gone for a week. Last weekend my chess team and I were at the State Tournament. We ended up taking 2nd in our division, which was a bit of a disappointment as we were going for a third straight title, but overall it was a good weekend.

    This past week all my spare time has gone into finishing up a yearbook cd-rom for our local ice hockey association which goes on sale tomorrow at the arena as we take out the ice, boards and glass.

    Hopefully next week I will be back around the boards regularly and start doing requests again.

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    Kaiserreich Working!

    Well, I was an idiot. When I looked closer I did see how to scroll down to the Kaiserreich Scenario and then it loaded and ran fine. I started a game as the Union of Britain and so far it has been pretty boring (but not much different from a regular 1936 campaign.)

    The map looks nice, though Germany looks like she will be tough to beat.

    I'll let you know if anything exciting happens, and I should be around more the next two weeks to work on graphics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arilou
    It was some other finn that suggested Kosola as an ultranationalist finnish leader *shrugs* I don't know much about it to tell you the truth....

    You could try looking for the actual discussion (a LOONG way back) if you'd like.
    He was mostly just anti- communistic. Some of his followers were ultranationalists and could have influenced him of course.

    Kosolas aims were the following
    1.Ban the communist party (success)
    2. Ban the social democrat party (failure)
    3. Insert a finnish government ruled by rightists not known of having collaborated with the social democrats (failure)
    4.Try to create tensions between the army and the "suojeluskunta" (rightist militants). (Partly success, some suojeluskunta members rallied to his cause. However an acctual uprising never happened).

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    just call me the Ottoman Empire guy. actually my class is in the 1600s right now so we haven't gotten to the Ottoman collapse but I'm almost there in one of the books we're reading, so while I'm reading about what happened, I'm thinking about what might have happened if they hadn't lost WW1. In a week or so I'll probably finish the book and start working on my timeline of what would happen for this scenario. If that's OK with everyone...

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    sorry to be a pain but, will there be a new release anytime soon??
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHannible
    sorry to be a pain but, will there be a new release anytime soon??
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    Mod's dead? :'(

    No updates anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimPagan
    Planning a new pan-arabian AAR? Finish the one you started, you lazy bugger!
    I'm basically re-doing it because
    1. It needed a new name
    2. I needed to change the storyline
    3. I felt like it
    4. It would be easiest
    5. I dunno



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    Yeah Sarmatia hasn't posted for 4 days
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    sarmatia has a lot to do, and i think changing cities again for his work. He will be back, trust me on that! He mentioned it a few pages back!
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    Ottoman Empire event series

    Well I finished the first full history of the Ottoman Empire book for the class I'm in, so now I feel informed enough to start the speculation.

    Well one immediate thing that needs to happen is for a new Sultan to take over for poor ol' Abdul Hamid II. The guy is almost 100 by 1936. I did some research and the guy who would take over would most likely be Abdul Mejid II. If you search Abdul Mejid II on GoogleImages, there's only one result and it's a good picture for HOI2. So yeah, I would have that happen sometime in 1936 or '37. I guess I would go with something like Stern Imperialist for his personality trait.

    I see three likely possibilties for a series of events involving the Ottoman Empire.
    One: a series of rebellion events in which various pieces of the empire try to break off. I don't think this one is likely. Armenia was the big rebel during the late 19th and 20th centuries and they already have a vassalship status, so I don't think they'd try to break off anymore. Egypt was another province that was fairly hard to control, but they're already independent too and the two governments have a lot in common. There's always the possibility of a Turkish nationalist revolt, but I think with all the land in the Balkans lost and the devshirme abolished, that one isn't very likely either.

    Two: some damnfool thing in the Balkans. This one seems likely enough except that there's no good way for the Ottomans to do it. The obvious target is Bulgaria, but the Ottoman relationship with them is pretty good (apparently) in this scenario. Alternatively there is Greece, which is a more likely target, but hard to capture without some land bridge connecting them to Ottoman territory. I tried invading through Albania but it didn't work, so I don't see how that would be a fun series of events, particularly since there are so many wars in the Balkans already.

    Three: This is the one I like. There was a huge Islamic Tartar population in the Crimean region that was forced into a max exodus in the late 19th century. Stalin basically completed the job in the 1940s but obviously that wouldn't have happened. With the Ottomans being on the winning side in world war one, it seems likely that the Russians couldn't have oppressed the Tartars as heavily as they did, and many of the former refugees would be itching to get back. Therefore...

    Trigger- Crimean Tartar Republic secedes from Ukraine.
    Ukraine Trigger- Let them go / Go to War
    If war- Ottoman Trigger- Send aid / Offer Alliance to CTR / Stay Neutral



    I'm not sure whether the blue/red outline or the red one is more appropriate. In terms of demography, I think both are viable judging by the ethnic and religious groups that would have been in that area in this timeline in 1936.

    I don't really want a war between the Ottoman Empire and Germany since they have no reason to fight. Maybe if Ukraine was on its own and its independence wasn't guarenteed or something... Eventually I think the Ottomans would go to war with Russia, preferable as part of a Turkestan, CTR alliance. Russia and the Ottoman Empire loathed each other back when Russia was called Moskovy. That hatred never went away. And the Tartars and Turks had a lot in common, especially in their ethnic rivalry with the Slavs.

    Anyways, I know that what I've said isn't enough for anyone to actually do anything, but I want to hear what you guys think. One other thing is that the Ottomans are way too weak in this scenario. Yes they had trouble modernizing. But they were on the right path when the war started. One thing that happened during the war is that they were able to cancel all their debts to the Entente nations, which was a HUGE help to their financial situation since their main expense was paying off previous debts that they had taken out in order to build railroads and factories.
    Abdul Hamid II was a capable reformer, and I think the Ottoman Empire would have been in pretty good shape by the 1930s. I would up the Industry in the Turkey region so that the Ottomans have something like 50. That would be more accurate of the realities of what would have happened. You have to remember that in the real world, Turkey had another war after WW1 that lasted for another several years and damaged the country almost as badly as the Great War did, just in addition.
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    I like the idea of a Crimean nation springing up, though it might be hard to keep it alive as the Ottomans could only reinforce it by sea. Presumably some significant AI changes could be made though, so it should be possible. We'd also need to come up with a good peace treaty sequence as I think it might be going to too far to have either the Ukraine conquering all Anatolia or the Ottomans plunging into Central Russia.

    I think that the need to boost the Ottomans at the start (and to change the current Sultan) has come up before. Good to know we were on the right track.

    One other idea for the Ottomans that was introduced way back near the beginning, but not in much detail, was a possible Ottoman-Turkestan clash later on in the game. The idea behind it was that Turkestan would be claiming the title of Sultan (or was it Caliph?) itself once it had grown somewhat and this would lead to tensions and maybe war, with Persia stuck in the middle. What's your opinion on these ideas?
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    I think the possibility of a rivalry exists but I think it's more likely that the Ottomans would try to ally with the other Islamic power. Honestly, I don't think that Turkestan would try to claim the Sultanate since the Turks would be more likely to recognize the Ottoman claim. The Ottoman ruling class is Turkish after all, from the great migrations of the 1200s. I think the relationship between those two Islamic powers would be simlilar to that of the Ilkhanate and the Ottomans.

    The Ilkhanate was a willing Ottoman vassal (meaning they offered their allegiance in return for the additional military security) in what's now the Crimea and the whole area north of it. They were originally the remnants of Genghis Khan's shamanistic mongolian ancestors, but converted to a mystical version of Sunni Islam, just like the Ottomans. That's also a big factor, I believe the Turks are Sunnis, which would make them more likely to ally with the Ottomans than if they were Shiites, like Iran.

    Iran and the Ottomans never really allies; rather they were rivals like you were saying the Turkestans might be. A huge reason for this was that they were two different Islamic sects. This was was a source of constant tension between the two powers. Because that wouldn't be the case with Turkestan and the '36 Ottomans, I think they would get along pretty well, at least until their common enemy was humbled.

    Actually, if the war with Ukraine and Russia ended early enough, a Turkestan, CTR, Ottoman war with Iran seems far more likely. The Shah of Iran and the Sultan of the OE were at war for much of history after the 1500s. But the land between them was always so hard to cross and the Iranians used slash and burn tactics to make the Ottomans afraid from getting too far into the country and then dying of thirst and starvation, that they never really made much headway. I think there are some possibilities there, but it's also kind of getting ahead of ourselves.

    I think the hardest part is going to be finding the Tartar leaders for the CTR. Wikipedia might help though...


    Quote Originally Posted by Timotheos
    I like the idea of a Crimean nation springing up, though it might be hard to keep it alive as the Ottomans could only reinforce it by sea. Presumably some significant AI changes could be made though, so it should be possible. We'd also need to come up with a good peace treaty sequence as I think it might be going to too far to have either the Ukraine conquering all Anatolia or the Ottomans plunging into Central Russia.

    I think that the need to boost the Ottomans at the start (and to change the current Sultan) has come up before. Good to know we were on the right track.

    One other idea for the Ottomans that was introduced way back near the beginning, but not in much detail, was a possible Ottoman-Turkestan clash later on in the game. The idea behind it was that Turkestan would be claiming the title of Sultan (or was it Caliph?) itself once it had grown somewhat and this would lead to tensions and maybe war, with Persia stuck in the middle. What's your opinion on these ideas?

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