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Sarmatia1871 said:
Falkenhausen, no? He's already in the AOG, but as the HoG -> I was thinking the HOS should be someone a bit more economically orientated...

And, we still need more ministers for all the Chinese factions (Qing, AlgOstAsien and Shangqing Tianguo). I'm guessing a lot of the more technocratic Guomindang people could probably be put in AlgOstAsien. But no real ideas about anyone else...

::BTW - nice location, I only just noticed it! - :D ::
Ah, yes, him. I wasn't sure how the surname is spelled.

Yes, either way will work, but I was thinking that he could be some governor of china appointed by Germany (thus a HoS, but perhaps with limited actual power), while a more economicaly orientated person is the head of whatever ruling organ AOG has (HoG, Corporate Suit)

There was that one guy from the chinese consulate in Vienna, but that was way back...

I like the idea of Japanese civil war, but I think we should keep the MAN tag but the nation wouldn't be independent in the start, so that Japan has the possibility to keep a democratic ally/puppet in that area.

So there would be a "Japanese Empire" controlling the colonies and Japan controlling the mainland, with the possibility of Japan to make independent states out of their holdings...

I assume you have allready plotted how everybody is going to exploit the japanese civil war? :p

Nice that you like the location. :D
 
CCurio said:
Ah, yes, him. I wasn't sure how the surname is spelled.

Yes, either way will work, but I was thinking that he could be some governor of china appointed by Germany (thus a HoS, but perhaps with limited actual power), while a more economicaly orientated person is the head of whatever ruling organ AOG has (HoG, Corporate Suit)

There was that one guy from the chinese consulate in Vienna, but that was way back...

I like the idea of Japanese civil war, but I think we should keep the MAN tag but the nation wouldn't be independent in the start, so that Japan has the possibility to keep a democratic ally/puppet in that area.

So there would be a "Japanese Empire" controlling the colonies and Japan controlling the mainland, with the possibility of Japan to make independent states out of their holdings...

I assume you have allready plotted how everybody is going to exploit the japanese civil war? :p

Not yet - very provisional idea (although I'm sure that Kolchak and the Baron would be very pleased if Japan starts collapsing!).

Yeah, Manchuria should probably be kept actually - that way you could have the meddling politicians in Tokyo attempting to push for Manchurian autonomy/independence, sparking off a major dispute with the military.

And the AOG sounds quite good -> Although people are still needed!
(I actually save all good minister suggestions as soon as I see them, so I've got the Chinese ambassador to Austria on my hard disk...)
 
Um. Is there any way to download this without buying one of those premium account things? I got told I was already downloading at first on this IP (which I wasn't) and then after about 10 minutes it told me "You have already downloaded ... bytes. Please wait 74 minutes" Last time I actually tried waiting that long, when it got to the end the count started again.

It does look really interesting and made me reinstall HoI2 at the time.
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
Not yet - very provisional idea (although I'm sure that Kolchak and the Baron would be very pleased if Japan starts collapsing!).

Yeah, Manchuria should probably be kept actually - that way you could have the meddling politicians in Tokyo attempting to push for Manchurian autonomy/independence, sparking off a major dispute with the military.

On the top of my head the people who could possible be delighted to see Japan go to civil war...

- Qing Emperor
- Military governor of China (especially if Japan has messed with 'their' business in Legation Cities!)
- Kaiser Wilhelm II :D
- Whoever is the leader of Philippines if they've fallen under Japanese thumb.
- Great Theosophic Khan of the East (allready mentioned)
- Kolchack (allready mentioned)
- Huey Long :p
 
OK, I have now got to the front of that queue. But whenever I try to start downloading, it says it's invalid :(

EDIT: Sorry success. I had to use Omega :wacko:
 
tombom said:
OK, I have now got to the front of that queue. But whenever I try to start downloading, it says it's invalid :(

EDIT: Sorry success. I had to use Omega :wacko:

:D Okay cool!

I think rapidshare can be a bit temperamental if your internet connection doesn't give you a regular/stable IP address (eg. if you're on AOL or something like that). But it's the one of the only file hosting sites which lets you upload big files without bombarding you with terrible adverts. So, you've just got to keep trying and hope for the best!
 
CCurio said:
On the top of my head the people who could possible be delighted to see Japan go to civil war...

- Qing Emperor
- Military governor of China (especially if Japan has messed with 'their' business in Legation Cities!)
- Kaiser Wilhelm II :D
- Whoever is the leader of Philippines if they've fallen under Japanese thumb.
- Great Theosophic Khan of the East (allready mentioned)
- Kolchack (allready mentioned)
- Huey Long :p

:D - Yes, true - but what would they do?
 
How about simply having an 'AOG Board of Directors' as head of state, reflecting a system where the heads of different companies in China get to have their say about what the AOG will do? I mean, the AOG isn´t a real nation, and I see it more as a situation where the terriory they control officially belongs to China, but is really under AOG control.
 
Zuckergußgebäck said:
How about simply having an 'AOG Board of Directors' as head of state, reflecting a system where the heads of different companies in China get to have their say about what the AOG will do? I mean, the AOG isn´t a real nation, and I see it more as a situation where the terriory they control officially belongs to China, but is really under AOG control.

Yeah, that might be by far the simplest thing to do from a conceptual/research point of view!

And there's already a precedent for it in the mod with SOVNARKOM and the CNT-FAI Central Committee.
 
Just a quick note, didn't the japanese keep the korean king around as a puppet/vassal (I believe he was given the japanese title of duke or somesuch) OTL? Could this be useful somehow?
 
Arilou said:
Just a quick note, didn't the japanese keep the korean king around as a puppet/vassal (I believe he was given the japanese title of duke or somesuch) OTL? Could this be useful somehow?

Hmmm, no idea about this!

According to Wiki, Korea was formally annexed into Japan in 1910, and the last Korean Emperor was made to abdicate and lost his official status (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan-Korea_Annexation_Treaty ).

The Emperor also died in 1926, so the legitimate claimaint (plus picture!) would need to be found. Still, would be useful to have, if slightly tricky...

EDIT: :D - Not so tricky after all! It's Crown Prince (Hwang-tae-ja) Yi Un [Gin Ri] [Uimin T'ae-wang], Prince Yong (Yong Ch'in-hwang), GBE, from 1926-1970. Here he is, second one down:

http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Korea/korea9.htm
 
Well, i just had a glance at this project and found it interesting ...

So is the list of work to do still up to date?
What else needs to be done here, and what are the priorities?
 
Dead Byte said:
Well, i just had a glance at this project and found it interesting ...

So is the list of work to do still up to date?
What else needs to be done here, and what are the priorities?

Many thanks - the list of things to do is more for the stuff I'm planning on coding before the next Alpha, rather than a demand for aid. If you want to do anything, than just tell me what your general of interest is, and I'll let you know what's been decided, and what would be good to have!

I think that China, Japan, South America and the Middle East are the main areas which haven't really been dealt with that much at the moment, but pretty much everywhere else could use some development (apart from Russia, which is far in advance of everywhere else, and Germany, which will need careful later planning).
 
Gen.Schuermann said:
when's the next update due? :)
Having fun with Japan so far!

:D - Hurrah for that!

Well, the next version of 'All the Russias' is being done first, so that'll be out in a few days time - this is effectively an update to Kaiserreich, as everything from it is going to get carried over. It's also giving me the chance to mess about with AIs properly to see how they work...

Next proper update will probably be two or three weeks time, as I've got a pretty busy middle of March (lectures to give, conferences to go to, chapters to write, etc....). So, keep sending suggestions of easily useable stuff that can be added simply and easily!
 
I am working on the AOG dividend event series, but it´s slow work, mostly because it is repetitive and loads of complicated event series, mostly when it comes to the annual renegotiation of the trade charter...
 
I doubt Japan would go to civil war. If you look at their history and national character, even if people were upset with the government, it seems more likely that they would just endure. I think a morely likely series of events is war with the Netherlands and therefor Germany. Japan isn't really that powerful in comparison to the others, their starting IC is too small for that, it's just that they have no trigger-caused enemies so they're free to invade smaller countries without reprisal. Against a powerful alliance they would be in serious trouble, early on anyways.
 
KaiserBenjamin said:
I doubt Japan would go to civil war. If you look at their history and national character, even if people were upset with the government, it seems more likely that they would just endure.
Eherm, I don't think the people will have much to say when the colonial army starts an uprising... ;)
 
Also, I need some help here. an someone please make a sort of finanscial trend for the AOG during the scenario?

So far (BTW, Germany only receives half of the dividend paid by the AOG, the rest dissapears as pay, tax and tolls and so on...):

1936
Incomes: 600$
Dividends: 700$
Probable outcome: AOG defaults their payments at least once

1937
Incomes: 400$
Dividends: 400$/200$ (depending on how the dividends are reformed)
Probable outcome: AOG pays their dividend

1938
Incomes: 450$
Dividends: 300$/225$ (depending on how the dividends are reformed)
Probable outcome: AOG pays their dividend

I haven´t made any more years, but I´d need some help with the incomes (I´ll handle the dividends)
 
Okay, let's try make some events.
I haven't actually tried these (and I have no idea what ID's to use: I'll have to push all *that* work over to Sarmatia)

##############
### Swedish Election: The Decision
##############

event = {
id = XXXX
random = no
country = SWE
style = 0

trigger = {
OR = {
ideology = paternal_autocrat
ideology = social_conservative
ideology = market_liberal
ideology = social_liberal
}
#Sweden isn't a dictatorship or a left-wing state already. However they'd manage that in '36!#
}

name = "Preparing for the '36 Election"
desc = "During the Post-War period, Swedish politics was dominated by the german-influenced Right-Wing parties, although the franchise was finally won for everyone in 1921, the old elites retained a significant influence over government, most notably due to their alliance with the monarchy (who still retained the power to form and dissolve governments) the situation had also remained relatively stable due to an impressive economic performance during the interwar years.

However, during the mid-30's the german economy, the ''Engine of Europe'' started showing signs of faltering. This economic downturn also made it's present felt in the scandinavian kingdoms: The Social-democratic Worker's Party, long kept in line by a combination of sabotage, media-control and coercion, showed signs of revitalizing itself. All preliminary polls predict a socialist victory on the election the 4th of September, unless something is done to prevent this."

picture = "politics2"

date = { day = 1 month = august year = 1936 }
offset = 5
deathdate = { day = 3 month = september year = 1936 }


action_a = {
ai_chance = 50
name = "Let the Election Proceed without interference!"
command = { type = dissent value = -1 }# Not sure if you should actually get reduced dissent simply from following the law....#
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXXX }# Sleeps the "Right-Wing victory" sequence#
command = { type = domestic which value = democratic value = 1 }

}




action_b = {
ai_chance = 50
name = "Delay the Election and attempt to force a right-wing victory!"
command = { type = dissent value = 5 } # People are angry at the blatant cheating#
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXXX }# Sleeps the "Left-Wing victory" sequence#
command = { type = domestic which = democratic value = -1 }
}

##############
### No interference and the Left takes the election
##############

event = {
id = XXXX
random = no
country = SWE
style = 0

trigger = {
event = XXXX# "Election of '36: The Decision# }

name = "The Election of '36: Left-Wing Victory!"
desc = "As polls predicted, the vast majority of the votes in the 1936 election fell to the left-wing parties, however, even this vote was very much divided, amongst the various left-wing factions. Almost anything could have altered the balance of power...

Which of the following groups should form the new government?"

picture = "politics2"

date = { day = 4 month = september year = 1936 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 8 month = september year = 1936 }


action_a = {
ai_chance = 60
name = "Per-Albin Hansson and the Social Democrats!"
command = { type = set_domestic which = democratic value = 1 } #Full Democracy#
command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = 2 } # The election is followed through normally#
command = { type = set_domestic which = political_left value = 1 } # Social-democrats take power#
command = { type = domestic which = defence_lobby value = -1 } #Social-democrats historically anti-military#
command = { type = headofgovernment which = 7033 }
command = { type = foreignminister which = 7038 }
command = { type = armamentminister which = 7047 }
command = { type = ministerofsecurity which = 7058 } #Vanilla social democratic cabinet#
command = { type = dissent value = -5 } #popular support#
command = { type = trigger which = XXXX }#"Social-democratic policy-choice"#
}




action_b = {
ai_chance = 30
name = "Zeth Höglund and the Radical Leftists!"
command = { type = set_domestic which = political_left value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = democratic value = 3 } # Should put them at the equivalent of LWR.... Further adjustments will be made when actual policy is determined#
command = { type = domestic which = free_market value = -1 } # Increase in planned economy, further adjustments to be made later #
command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = -1 } # Some loss of freedom#
#Need some Leftist/syndicalists here, might use vanilla files, though I'd like to see "Zäta" Höglund in charge :p#
command = { type = dissent value = 5 } #Right-wing dissatisfaction#
command = { type = trigger which = XXXX }#Ultraleftist policy-choice#

}
action_c = {
ai_chance = 10
name = "Compromise and let the Liberals form a government!"
command = { type = set_domestic which = democratic value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = free_market value = 1 }
command = { type = set_domestic which = political_left value = 4 } # Should set up a social-liberal government as the Liberal party would be "influenced" by the left-wing atmosphere#
command = { type = dissent value = -3 } #compromise-candidate: No one is really happy but no one is angry either#
command = { type = trigger which = XXXX }# Liberal policy-choice#
}

The liberal party-leader is (strangely enough) missing in the swedish minister file (until Bertil Ohlin pops up in '45) historically the liberal party leader would be Gustaf Andersson "i Rasjön" (the naming custom in the Second Chamber was that if two MP's had the same name they were named after their place of residence, if we chose to make a minister he should probably be styled "Gustaf Andersson-Rasjön" as that is how Pehrsson-Bramstorp is styled in vanilla) Strangely enough I can find no picture for him.... Not sure what to do about it though. In any case more ministers are probably needed.... To bad I suck at finding them :(

##############
### Election of 1936: Right-Wing Victory
##############

event = {
id = XXXX
random = no
country = SWE
style = 0

trigger = {
event = XXXX# Election of 1936: The Decision#
}

name = "The Election of '36: Right-Wing Victory"
desc = "The delay of the election of 1936 gave the Right-Wing the time and resources neccessary to secure an electoral victory. Though some left-wing voices cried ''Foul!'' and that the delay was violating the democratic principles the situation remained relatively calm. The accusations of fraud were probably exaggerated, although a large portion of leftist voters mysteriously failed to turn out to vote. The Right-Wing however, was not a unified bloc and ideas were numerous as to which direction the country should take from now on.

Who should form the new swedish government?"

picture = "politics2"

date = { day = 1 month = november year = 1936 }
offset = 15
deathdate = { day = 30 month = november year = 1936 }


action_a = {
ai_chance = 50
name = "The country needs stability! Let the conservatives continue their rule!"
command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = -1 } #Manipulating the political process for your own gain....#
command = { type = domestic which = politcal_left value = 1 } #I'm still not sure wheter adding to the political_left means the government moves rightwards or leftwards.... The Ideology matrix seems to imply a higher number means more right-wing so that's the assumption I'm going on.#
command = { type = dissent value = 3 }#Fallout from the manipulation of the rules#
command = { type = domestic which = defence_lobby value= 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = interventionism value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = professional_army value = 1 } #Conservatives pro-military#
command = { type = trigger which = XXXX }#Conservative policy-choice#
}




action_b = {
ai_chance = 30
name = "Appease the populace with a liberal compromise-candidate!"
command = { type = set_domestic which = political_left = 6 }
command = { type = set_domestic which = democratic = 3 } #Should put them at Market_liberal unless I misunderstand the matrix completely#
command = { type = domestic which = free_market = 1 } #Yay for Laissez-Faire#
command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = 1 }
command = { type = dissent value = -5 }# Compromise that is acceptable, cancels out the dissent from the delay of the election#
#More ministers needed as usual#
command = { type = trigger which = XXXX }#Liberal policy-choice#


}
action_c = {
ai_chance = 20
name = "We need a strong hand! Create a military cabinet! "
command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = -3 }
command = { type = set_domestic which = democratic value = 8 }
command = { type = set_domestic which = political_left value = 8 } #I'm not sure at all I understand the political matrix, should put them at FA#
command = { type = domestic which = professional_army value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = defense_lobby value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = interventionism value = 2 } #Military influence#
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }#People are not happy#
command = { type = trigger which = XXXX }#Militarist/nationalist policy-choice#

#I wonder if this should put the King himself as HoG as well as HoS? :p and in anyway this should result in a cabinet of military-types, preferably expansionist/nationalist ones, Hedin should definately be the MoS or whatever position he is eliglible for#
}

###Not sure if this option should be there at all, would have to re-work the Centre-Party quite a lot though, but it would be interesting as historically they were quite fascist-inspired for a while. They could definately provide a kind of "romantic people of the soil" image if that is an option that is desired could probably easily turn into the "National-populist" choice should we want one###

I'll try to deal with the different policy-choice events later on..... Luckily a lot of them can be duplicated :p
 
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