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m45tion87 said:
Would it be too far off to expect the Swedes to claim Finland and Norway back? If some ultra-nationalist party would rise to power, they would have probably tried to form united Scandinavia (ie. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland), right? I doubt that the Baltic states would remain untouched either, but perhaps all this would happen against the Kaisers new order in Europe? That would certainly create an interesting scenario!

Yes, that's one possible option, although we were having a bit of trouble coming up with any plausible Swedish ultra-nationalists earlier!

:) - Also, in this timeline, Finland isn't going to be the sort of country to be 'reincorporated' peacefully...
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
Yes, that's one possible option, although we were having a bit of trouble coming up with any plausible Swedish ultra-nationalists earlier!

:) - Also, in this timeline, Finland isn't going to be the sort of country to be 'reincorporated' peacefully...

Well, I said that there was not much support for a counter-movement, but since here the UK, France, Russia and US emboiled in social upheval, it might have been more likely to someone to gather enough support to create a facist goverment. Not to mention that one might feel threathen if after the war Germany started talking about unifing all german people in one nation.
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
Yes, that's one possible option, although we were having a bit of trouble coming up with any plausible Swedish ultra-nationalists earlier!

:) - Also, in this timeline, Finland isn't going to be the sort of country to be 'reincorporated' peacefully...
I'm not particulary patriotic person, but I definatedly agree with this statement! Especially when Kosola is the prime minister! :eek:
 
Could there be a gradual radicalization of the left in Norway in this timeline? Let's say that Union of Britain starts to offer some sort of 'economic co-operation and friendly relations' pact to Norway, leading increasing amounts of people to see the radical leftists as friends?
 
CCurio said:
Could there be a gradual radicalization of the left in Norway in this timeline? Let's say that Union of Britain starts to offer some sort of 'economic co-operation and friendly relations' pact to Norway, leading increasing amounts of people to see the radical leftists as friends?

:D Yep, definitely - could be the start of the rise of a new strain of Nordic Socialism to unify the brotherhood of Germanic nations against the twin strains of Slavo-Prussian Despotism and Latin Anarchism!

Speaking of which, do you think you could repost the event series that you had outlined for Norway, Sweden and Finland a while back? (the thread is too big to go searching for things like this now!)

And if you could give exact run-downs of event choices and descriptions for each part, I could probably code it pretty quickly...
 
Heh, from the african setup, I think you have already seen this map:

German Claims in Africa 1917


One thing that would bite about a scandinavian empire, is that it would not gain any manpower from Denmark in war time. Unless it conquers Finland. And Russia. And Estonia. And Germany. Hey, it's actually not that far-fetched after all!
 
Some AOG teams...
Code:
8700;AOG Board of Directors;T2203;4;1930;1970;management;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8701;Mauser-Drache Werke;T9;7;1930;1970;general_equipment;artillery;mechanics;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8702;Qingkaiserliche Werft Guangzhou;T110;5;1930;1970;naval_engineering;naval_artillery;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8703;Vereinigte Ostasiatiche Flugzeugindustrie;T801;3;1930;1970;aeronautics;artillery;chemistry;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8704;Opel Ostasien;T11;5;1930;1970;mechanics;artillery;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8705;ChinaKrupp;T13;6;1930;1970;artillery;mechanics;chemistry;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8706;AOG Board of Industrial Development;t416;3;1930;1970;industrial_engineering;chemistry;mechanics;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8707;Alexander von Falkenhausen;T1005;4;1930;1970;large_unit_tactics;infantry_focus;centralized_execution;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x

Also, I would suggest giving the Legation cities a model I destroyer flotilla in Shanghai, named '1st Gunboat Flotilla', simply for the sake of it. I can imagine that all the nations responsible for the Legation Cities giving away some antiquated torpedo- and gunboats so that the legation cities could defend against smugglers and give some sort of defence if attacked.
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
:D Yep, definitely - could be the start of the rise of a new strain of Nordic Socialism to unify the brotherhood of Germanic nations against the twin strains of Slavo-Prussian Despotism and Latin Anarchism!

Speaking of which, do you think you could repost the event series that you had outlined for Norway, Sweden and Finland a while back? (the thread is too big to go searching for things like this now!)

And if you could give exact run-downs of event choices and descriptions for each part, I could probably code it pretty quickly...
You can be my speechwriter if I ever become the Staathalter. :p

scandinavia_event_chain.gif


I think you mean this one.
 
Anyway...the first british event would need some sort of 'interventionism' trigger, I think. You know, jolting out of isolationism.

UoB event:

Strategy for the North

We have recently decided that the time of isolationism is over and now we need to think of our strategies for the diffrent parts of the world. It has been suggested that we would try to slowly spread our streak of socialism into the vaguely leftist Norway through trade deals and promotion of our values. Norway could be a good base of operations in the north.

a) Let's open up Norway for Union of Britain!
Tirggers the event chain

b) Norway isn't needed...
No effect

Norwegian event:

Union Trade deals

The Union British have aproached us with a suggestion to open up trade deals with them. We have been somewhat boycoting them in line with the nations we are friendly with but now that Germany's economic woes are hurting us we need to reconsider the direction of our economy. The offer itself is a quite appealing deal about raw materials.

a) Open up to the Union British.
- 5 money
+ 25 rare materials
+ 25 energy
+ 25 oil
+ 10 relations with UoB

b) No deals with radicalists!
+ 1 Political right
- 10 relations with UoB

If the norwegians accept the event the British will have the choice to push for further deals. If they do so, eventually Norway will get another similar event:

Union of Britian wants to sell ships to us

The Union of Britain has aproaced us and this time it is about destroyers. They are offering us a flotilla's worth of the ships for a rather affordable price. Union of Britain is alos known for the Republican Airforce and it might be a good idea to ask for planes too, considering the sorry state of our airforce. Of course the deal can be refused and some are afraid we are getting too friendly with the socialists.

a) Buy the ships, they will be put to a good use.
- 5 Money
Gain a Destroyer flotilla
Gain blueprint for 'Early Destroyer'

b) Buy the ships and planes, our armed forces are lacking!
- 10 Money
Gain a Destroyer flotilla
Gain an Interceptor squadron
Gain blueprint for 'Early Destroyer'
+1 Hawk lobby

c) Better not get too friendly with the socialists...
No effect

From this on...I would need to know stuff like which was the ruling party in 1936 in Norway and such... :eek:o
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
Yes, that's one possible option, although we were having a bit of trouble coming up with any plausible Swedish ultra-nationalists earlier!

Just to clarify: The "ultra-nationalists" I could find were mostly either pretty low-brow Hitlerites (the FA/NS leaders in the swedish leader file, mostly) or dead. A lot of the "Old Guard" (IE: those who were around during the 10's & 20's, opposed universal suffrage and were very royalist, hated socialists and were pro-military) tend to die just before scenario start :p

I'll see what I can do though (and soon as I'll get back home I'll at least start *thinking* of an event-chain for the swedish election)
 
Just played a while with the US, first I called in the military, in the end only California seceded and when I decided to move in the troops they came back into the Union without further incident.

Next time I decided to go through with the elections and went with the CSA, this time the West remained quiet but the American Union seceded, but again after I declared on them they immediately gave in, the USA gave way to the CSA all the way and America was painted red *g*

Some things I noticed: I still got the "America First accepts our Policies" event even though they had already seceded from the USA, which seemed a little strange to me, I don't know if that's WAD but I think it should be removed.

Another thing is that even after four times I now played the mod, it seems to me as if the AI is eager to avoid war at all costs, all the rouge american factions surrendered before the war even started, and the renegotiation of the Ausgleich never lead to any consequences, Germany refused to move on France after them meddling in Spain and so on. I think there should be more ways or at least a higher probability of war breaking out in general, and the CSA should get some more leaders at least after defeating all the other factions, they are quite limited now for example with only 3-4 naval leaders.

Btw if there's anything I can do to help with the mod I'd be more than willing to give it a try, I'm no expert on history or anything but I'd really like to help this really really great mod on its way.
 
About the swedes goes nationalist, perhaps they could seek support with the germans (as the germans would probably prefer not having another syndicalist at their bothers). Get some 3IC -1 events if germany wants to support them financial or some german volunteer units if miltary.
 
CCurio said:
Anyway...the first british event would need some sort of 'interventionism' trigger, I think. You know, jolting out of isolationism.
...

From this on...I would need to know stuff like which was the ruling party in 1936 in Norway and such... :eek:o

:D Many thanks - extremely useful, keep it coming!

For the time being, just assume the Norwegian cabinet is going to be the vanilla SD one, and work around the idea of there being two opposing extreme leftist and rightist factions (to be defined later!)
 
Arilou said:
Just to clarify: The "ultra-nationalists" I could find were mostly either pretty low-brow Hitlerites (the FA/NS leaders in the swedish leader file, mostly) or dead. A lot of the "Old Guard" (IE: those who were around during the 10's & 20's, opposed universal suffrage and were very royalist, hated socialists and were pro-military) tend to die just before scenario start :p

I'll see what I can do though (and soon as I'll get back home I'll at least start *thinking* of an event-chain for the swedish election)

Excellent - see what can be done!

And I suppose that one or two of the old guard leaders could be kept alive, particularly if any of them died of 'unnatural' causes (eg. assasinations, contagious diseases, accidents, etc....).
 
Zuckergußgebäck said:
Some AOG teams...
Code:
8700;AOG Board of Directors;T2203;4;1930;1970;management;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8701;Mauser-Drache Werke;T9;7;1930;1970;general_equipment;artillery;mechanics;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8702;Qingkaiserliche Werft Guangzhou;T110;5;1930;1970;naval_engineering;naval_artillery;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8703;Vereinigte Ostasiatiche Flugzeugindustrie;T801;3;1930;1970;aeronautics;artillery;chemistry;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8704;Opel Ostasien;T11;5;1930;1970;mechanics;artillery;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8705;ChinaKrupp;T13;6;1930;1970;artillery;mechanics;chemistry;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8706;AOG Board of Industrial Development;t416;3;1930;1970;industrial_engineering;chemistry;mechanics;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
8707;Alexander von Falkenhausen;T1005;4;1930;1970;large_unit_tactics;infantry_focus;centralized_execution;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x

Also, I would suggest giving the Legation cities a model I destroyer flotilla in Shanghai, named '1st Gunboat Flotilla', simply for the sake of it. I can imagine that all the nations responsible for the Legation Cities giving away some antiquated torpedo- and gunboats so that the legation cities could defend against smugglers and give some sort of defence if attacked.

Cool - thanks for this!

I thought I gave the Legation Cities an old destroyer flotilla already? If not, will definitely have to add one.
 
-Delta- said:
Just played a while with the US, first I called in the military, in the end only California seceded and when I decided to move in the troops they came back into the Union without further incident.

Next time I decided to go through with the elections and went with the CSA, this time the West remained quiet but the American Union seceded, but again after I declared on them they immediately gave in, the USA gave way to the CSA all the way and America was painted red *g*

Some things I noticed: I still got the "America First accepts our Policies" event even though they had already seceded from the USA, which seemed a little strange to me, I don't know if that's WAD but I think it should be removed.

Another thing is that even after four times I now played the mod, it seems to me as if the AI is eager to avoid war at all costs, all the rouge american factions surrendered before the war even started, and the renegotiation of the Ausgleich never lead to any consequences, Germany refused to move on France after them meddling in Spain and so on. I think there should be more ways or at least a higher probability of war breaking out in general, and the CSA should get some more leaders at least after defeating all the other factions, they are quite limited now for example with only 3-4 naval leaders.

Btw if there's anything I can do to help with the mod I'd be more than willing to give it a try, I'm no expert on history or anything but I'd really like to help this really really great mod on its way.

Yep, more potential wars will certainly be added in future, and I'll probably mess about with the offsets for the American events so wars happen more often.

For help, anything you can think of which hasn't been done yet would probably be useful and much appreciated - for example, if you could list some leaders from the vanilla USA leader file (preferably giving IDs) that could be added to the revolting factions, that would be great!
 
GrimPagan said:
About the swedes goes nationalist, perhaps they could seek support with the germans (as the germans would probably prefer not having another syndicalist at their bothers). Get some 3IC -1 events if germany wants to support them financial or some german volunteer units if miltary.

Yep, definitely possible!

Probably with some knock on effects for the German economy and political situation as well ('Why does our Government help the Swedes when they remained neutral in the Weltkrieg?' scream the Conservatives; 'Money is needed to help the German workers, not prop up a reactionary foreign government,' declares Leibknecht, etc. etc...).
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
:D Many thanks - extremely useful, keep it coming!

For the time being, just assume the Norwegian cabinet is going to be the vanilla SD one, and work around the idea of there being two opposing extreme leftist and rightist factions (to be defined later!)
I was thinking that there could be a social democratic split - the more Norway accepts stuff from UoB the more radical the social democrats will be perceived, thus eventually leading to the moderates jumping off...

In the late '37 elections there could three diffrent alternatives - Social Democrats (hard left), Centre (soft left) and plus some sort of rightist party...

Any other than election of now-radical Social Democrats can result in syndicalist Scandinavia revolting with the help of those Union "guest workers" that could arrive if co-operation goes far enough... ;)

In a civil war situation it could be possible that a goverment of "National Unity" gets declared under the rule of certain infamous man... :p
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
Cool - thanks for this!
Mind you, I just took some german companies and gave them a bit of asian-sounding names. I don´t think there ever was such a thing as the Mauser-Drache Werke. I thought you might want to keep that in mind.
 
CCurio said:
I was thinking that there could be a social democratic split - the more Norway accepts stuff from UoB the more radical the social democrats will be perceived, thus eventually leading to the moderates jumping off...

In the late '37 elections there could three diffrent alternatives - Social Democrats (hard left), Centre (soft left) and plus some sort of rightist party...

Any other than election of now-radical Social Democrats can result in syndicalist Scandinavia revolting with the help of those Union "guest workers" that could arrive if co-operation goes far enough... ;)

In a civil war situation it could be possible that a goverment of "National Unity" gets declared under the rule of certain infamous man... :p

Just because a guy becomes the defenition of a traitor doesn't make him infamous :p

But should should the Norwegian syndicalists (with former UK support)and swedish nationalists (supported by Germany) be interconnect, or should the two events be independent, creating more potential scenario's?

And if Sweden refuse german help, then there should be some event where Sweden goes after Finland and/or Estonia if Germany is at war with some major power. This could again leave an option for Germany to react or letting it go to avoid another conflict.