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Here is the German Mittelafrika state, all ships are indemities from Britian, mostly older ships, by 1936 they are extremely old. Perhaps you could even represent this by putting them all at 75% strength.

Regardless,it gives them some form of a fleet. I opted for no transports, forcing them to rely on Germany for transports or build them themselves.

German Mittelafrika
DAS [Deustche Afrika Schiff] Lettow-Vorbeck ----> Lvl I BB
DAS Karl Peters ----> Lvl I BB
DAS Ebermaier -----> Lvl I BB
DAS Lünderitz ------> Lvl I BB
DAS Götzen-----> Lvl I CL
DAS Prinz Adalbert -----> Lvl I CL
DAS Denhardt -----> Lvl I CL
DAS Gross Friedrichsburg ------> Lvl I CL
DAS Stosch -----> Lvl I CL
1. Torpedobootschwadron - Lvl I DD
 
laminustacitus said:
How do you work JSGME? :confused:

Instructions, again:

* Extract scenario files folder into your HOI2 directory (so the 'jsgme.exe' and the new 'MODS' folder is in the same folder as the 'HOI2.exe')
* Open up the JSGME utility.
* Click on 'Kaiserreich 0.1a' in the left hand column.
* Click on the '>' icon to put it into the activate mods folder.
* Load up HOI2 normally, with all the mod files carried across.

Once you've done this:

* Open up the utility again.
* Click on the 'Kaiserreich 0.1a' in the right hand column
* Click on the '<' icon, to deactivate the mod.
* Vanilla HOI2 is restored!

CCurio said:
"Johtaja" would be the closest thing to "The Leader"...there is no "the" in finnish language and "johtaja" is going to make 10 out of 10 finns think about a corporate boss...

...

Yes, a "Nordic Socialist" power block sounds like an intresting possiblity... I will take that into consideration when I get to work with the events.

Good, good - many thanks!

Actually, if you want to start looking at events and how to make them, check out some of the Finnish events in the Russian section of the mod ('RUS' folder) - these would be in the following files:

* European Policy.txt ('The Finnish Reaction' to Russian Tsar claiming Finland - from ID - 757554; near the bottom )
* Russian Frontier.txt ('Panic in Karelia' series, from ID - 751012; in the middle)
* Peace Treaties.txt ('Russia vs Finland - Finnish Victory' from ID - 760082; in the middle)

They need to be re-done anyway in light of the new Finnish political setup, and it may help you get a general feel for how they work and can be coded...


Ayeshteni said:
hehe. very interesting.

A few things (though I am sure you are aware of most of them).

There is a japanese army in one of the German Chinese coastal cities; dont think its meant to be there.

The German tech team 'Herman Goering' should be in Mittelafrika methinks :D (as should the german leader goering - though I reckon you havent looked at the german leader file yet).

I dont know if you have done it already in one of your posts but can you give a rundown on 'descriptions' of all the new ideologies and what each mean (I am trying to get a feel of the relationship between them)

Ayeshteni

Okay, all to put on the todo list. There are going to be loads of Nazis throughout the German files, to be gotten rid of - big job and not started yet!

The rundown of the ideologies is all the way back in the thread on post #45, on the page 3 of the thread....


Gen.Schuermann said:
Oh, and plz, correct the german Names for some nations. You got the most of them right, but others are english or not fitting at all (i.e. the countries in the urals, which still are english, need translation help? Then you've got the third indian country, which for me shows up as North Korea :D) Other than that, it sure looks cool and promising.

Remember to make germany's belongings cores, like torun and so on! Me likes the Münster picture, very nice :)

PLease go on and upload new stuff as soon as possible, a weekly update at this rate of work would be appropiate in my eyes!

....

Oh, and before i forget, what's up with the SPD partition event? is this really going to happen? germany get's devided into small pieces? please tell what you intend with that!

EDIT1: thx for mentioning me in the readme :) *bows down*

EDIT2: Is the US's capital supposed to be in Miami?

* Okay - which nation names need to be changed? I only really did the ones in the main German alliance and a couple of the Austo-Hungarian states - and all of the other new states are likely to be in English in the foreign language versions (apart from Bengal, which I forgot to carry across!) => So, please send translations!

* I'll look over the German cores again...

* A weekly update at this rate would be good, but maybe not feasible ( ;) )! Of course the quickest way of getting rapid and extensive updates is to send material and files that can be incorporated quickly into new versions (hint!)

* SPD Partition event?!? Didn't make anything like this, so it may be a vanilla DDR event which I didn't delete....

* Miami?!? God knows how that happened ( :wacko: ) - will add to the list...


Berlichingen said:
Its apart of my grander philosphy of the naval warfare in the game, I'm counting on most all the nations having ageing fleets, this will provide dilemmas for players and ensure that Germany will have, at the beginning, naval dominance over, in essence, the entire world.

Germany as I see it is has hedgemony over most of the world directly or indirectly but in their seat of unchallenged power they've grown lazy, divided and corrupt and their empire is crumbling, wearing and chipping away intill it comes crashing down.

Thats my take on it at least.


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Also, ayeshanti, another things I've missed, since the mod is unplayable its not essential, but I'll add it to my list of things to do.

Also, if you want Sarmatian I can begin composing list of names of ships that can be assigned to ships the player builds. At the current setting we're going to get alot of repeats, especially for Germany, or stuff that makes no sense, like union of britian getting King George V, doubt they'd take a liking to that.

That'll be on the back burner till everybody gets new OOBs for naval stuff, but just a thought.

To do list:
- Clean up Royalist and Socialist British Fleets
- Clean up Ottoman, Bulgarian and Egyptian Fleets
- Start Work on Mittelafrika, Siam, and other German puppet fleets.
- Start work on USA, Japan, Russian fleets
- Double-check OOBs for balance and bugs
- Start work on all the minor fleets everywhere from Sweden to Netherlands to Romania, etc, etc, etc

I completely agree with Berlichingen's grand philosophy of naval warfare - It fits in exactly with what I want to simulate globally!

All the other work sounds great also - please post as is done, and I'll be very careful when integrating it!


laminustacitus said:
I find it quite peculiar that Germany, even though it has unrivaled dominace of the sea and many armies and naval squadrons stationed overseas, has neither one transport or escort squadron. ;)

:D As you should! All sunk with the accidental click of a mouse - I was actually also waiting for feedback on how large the transport and escort squadrons should be.....
 
CCurio said:
You know, you actually made me stop and think what Kosola would be called... :wacko:
Prime minister just isn't suitable for any proper national populist leader... Finland never had any chancelors in real life but I'd imagine that there could as well be one in a more german system. "Kansleri" is a pretty direct translation of "chancelor". Other option could be "Valtionhoitaja" which could be translated into "state caretaker"...

Nice that you like the idea, I figured that in a situation like that a mere computer-driven annexation just isn't enough... ;)

I was actually thinking of making the Britian a bit sneaky, mostly offering Trade, Friendship and Co-operation (plus smugling hefty amounts of syndicalist literature....) but I'd imagine that more agressive demands could also be an option...

Is "Valtionhoitaja" the finnish equivalent of "Riksföreståndare"? 'cuz that would be a decent title for a dictatorial swedish leader too.

EDIT:

Just doing some research on the swedish left....
SAC, the swedish syndicalist movement.... It was founded 1910 so it's founding wouldn't be affected by the timeline change at least.... One of the problems with finding "leading" Syndicalists is of course that they aren't really allowed to have "leading" posts in the first place...

One example is PJ Welinder (swedish-american returnee who formed a much more "militant" syndicalist organization in the late 20's/early 30's) He died in TBC 1934 though. He was the only real "Syndicalist" even close to the timeframe I could get a name for. There's a also a guy called "Rudolf Holme" that apparently pionereed some of the tactics of the Syndicalists OTL, unfortunately I couldn't find any actual dates for when he lived and died... A few "cultural personalities" with Syndicalist leanings where apparently "Stig Dagerman"
dagerman.jpg

Author, he wrote both a lot of pamphlets and stuff like that as well as fiction.
and Elise Ottesen-Jensen
ottesenjensen.gif

Most famous for her information-spreading campaign on birth-control. Finding militant Syndicalists OTL is pretty hard in Sweden: Mostly because they (as a reaction to the communists, mostly I guess) forsworn violent action relatively early.

Communists are easier (and there's even a communist party that turned nazi OTL)
 
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Arilou said:
Is "Valtionhoitaja" the finnish equivalent of "Riksföreståndare"? 'cuz that would be a decent title for a dictatorial swedish leader too.

Isn't "Rik" like "reich", but in swedish? Not sure about föreståndare...well, it's propably not too far off...

t Sarmatia, I will take look at the events soon.
 
Arilou said:
Is "Valtionhoitaja" the finnish equivalent of "Riksföreståndare"? 'cuz that would be a decent title for a dictatorial swedish leader too.

EDIT:

Just doing some research on the swedish left....
SAC, the swedish syndicalist movement.... It was founded 1910 so it's founding wouldn't be affected by the timeline change at least.... One of the problems with finding "leading" Syndicalists is of course that they aren't really allowed to have "leading" posts in the first place...

One example is PJ Welinder (swedish-american returnee who formed a much more "militant" syndicalist organization in the late 20's/early 30's) He died in TBC 1934 though. He was the only real "Syndicalist" even close to the timeframe I could get a name for. There's a also a guy called "Rudolf Holme" that apparently pionereed some of the tactics of the Syndicalists OTL, unfortunately I couldn't find any actual dates for when he lived and died... A few "cultural personalities" with Syndicalist leanings where apparently "Stig Dagerman"

...
Communists are easier (and there's even a communist party that turned nazi OTL)

Aha, these are good - thanks! I did a quick search on P. J. Welinder and the only site I found (in Swedish!) seems to say he died of tuburculosis ("död 1934 i tuberkulos"....?). If so, it wouldn't be too implausible to keep him alive - giving him a completely new life from about 1918 could mean he was never put into contact with the disease...

And communists (and socialists in general!) are good too - most would have joined or sticked with either Social Democrat or Syndicalist groups, as was the general case with lefties before WWI and the Russian Revolution.

EDIT: Oh yes, does the Swedish cabinet (or any of the others...) look reasonable for a Conservative-Monarchist government? If not, please get suggestions based on the existing ministers file!


CCurio said:
Isn't "Rik" like "reich", but in swedish? Not sure about föreståndare...well, it's propably not too far off...

t Sarmatia, I will take look at the events soon.

Good good - Let me know if you have any problems or run into difficulties!
 
CCurio said:
Isn't "Rik" like "reich", but in swedish? Not sure about föreståndare...well, it's propably not too far off...

t Sarmatia, I will take look at the events soon.

Rike= Realm
Föreståndare= Regent

Exampels of Riksföreståndare in the 21st century was Mannerheim (1918-20(?)) and Admiral Horthy
 
And another thing, regarding music. I've found this fantastic (but unfortunately also advertising heavy...) site:

http://www.liedertafel.business.t-online.de/intro.htm

Which has downloadable mp3 versions of every song which I'd probably want to use in a German music pack (including a brilliant sung recordngs 'Die Wacht am Rhein' and 'Ich bin ein Preuße, kennt ihr meine Farben?' and ). However, I haven't been able to find anything on the site mentioning copyright restrictions - so, I've got no idea if they're allowed to be distributed further...

Could our native German speakers try and hunt this information down, as I've looked all over the site but been able to find no mention of anything like this?

(And if the link magically vanishes, we'll know what the mods think, and stick with stuff from socialist countries or the 1900s - :D !)
 
the countries which need to be fixed:

Italy:
- SouthItaly, which english name? It's still the social republic, intended? (as it's communist)
- NorthItaly, Päpstliche Republik Italien?

Romania:
- Rumänien (you forgot the ä)

Denmark:
- Dänemark (you forgot the ä)

Don Kuban Union:
- the yellow caucasian state, which english name? fits the above mentioned name?

Georgia:
- Georgien

African France:
- still Vichy France? english name plz

South Africa:
- ü is missing

India:
- the red state in the east, in german version still north korea :)

Argentine:
- meant to be La Plata?

Oh, and regarding the SPD event, takes place in 5th january 1936, gives the Sozialdemokratische Partei southern german provinces, wanna have a screenie?

Sarmatia1871 said:
And another thing, regarding music. I've found this fantastic (but unfortunately also advertising heavy...) site:

http://www.liedertafel.business.t-online.de/intro.htm

Which has downloadable mp3 versions of every song which I'd probably want to use in a German music pack (including a brilliant sung recordngs 'Die Wacht am Rhein' and 'Ich bin ein Preuße, kennt ihr meine Farben?' and ). However, I haven't been able to find anything on the site mentioning copyright restrictions - so, I've got no idea if they're allowed to be distributed further...

Could our native German speakers try and hunt this information down, as I've

Well, i have skimmed through this, and there seems nothing to indicate that it's copyrighted. I searched the forums, but nothing of interest. And if you can download it for free and that it's available for anyone who wants it, i suppose that there is not such a thing. these songs are mostly propaganda i guess, and very very old, i suspect there is naturally no copyright, as it was with your russian soundtrack (i loved that!).
The quality is nice, i recommend "Abgeschmiert aus 100 metern" this is fun as it is a little ironical/cynical...
OH and plz include "Als die Rämer frech geworden", it's a song about the varus battle, i learned it as a kid :)
For some songs you have to be a little careful, as they might be too nationalistic for german thinking... ask me if you are unsure...
 
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Gen.Schuermann said:
the countries which need to be fixed:

Italy:
- SouthItaly, which english name? It's still the social republic, intended? (as it's communist)
- NorthItaly, Päpstliche Republik Italien?

Romania:
- Rumänien (you forgot the ä)

Denmark:
- Dänemark (you forgot the ä)

Don Kuban Union:
- the yellow caucasian state, which english name? fits the above mentioned name?

Georgia:
- Georgien

African France:
- still Vichy France? english name plz

South Africa:
- ü is missing

India:
- the red state in the east, in german version still north korea :)

Argentine:
- meant to be La Plata?

Oh, and regarding the SPD event, takes place in 5th january 1936, gives the Sozialdemokratische Partei southern german provinces, wanna have a screenie?

Many thanks! Of the ones you haven't changed: the Greater Argentina is supposed be 'La Plata' at the moment, although may need to be improved; Northern Italy is called the 'Italian Federation' in English; Southern Italy is called 'Republic of the Sicilies'; the North Korean Indian state is 'Bengal'; African France is called (at the moment) - 'National France'; and 'Don-Kuban Union' is the English name for the Cossack state north of the Caucasus.

Aha, yes, now I get the SPD partition! That's from the Polish partition of Germany events from 'All the Russias' (in the peace treaty.txt) - it would fire so the three German states had tidy borders (they didn't always form correctly). So, can be easily dealt with...!
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
Many thanks! Of the ones you haven't changed: the Greater Argentina is supposed be 'La Plata' at the moment, although may need to be improved; Northern Italy is called the 'Italian Federation' in English; Southern Italy is called 'Republic of the Sicilies'; the North Korean Indian state is 'Bengal'; African France is called (at the moment) - 'National France'; and 'Don-Kuban Union' is the English name for the Cossack state north of the Caucasus.

Northern Italy: Italienische Föderation
Southern Italy: Republik Sizilien
North India: Bengalen
Vichy: National Frankreich
Don-Kuban Union: Don-Kosakische Union

Sarmatia1871 said:
And another thing, regarding music. I've found this fantastic (but unfortunately also advertising heavy...) site:

http://www.liedertafel.business.t-online.de/intro.htm

Which has downloadable mp3 versions of every song which I'd probably want to use in a German music pack (including a brilliant sung recordngs 'Die Wacht am Rhein' and 'Ich bin ein Preuße, kennt ihr meine Farben?' and ). However, I haven't been able to find anything on the site mentioning copyright restrictions - so, I've got no idea if they're allowed to be distributed further...

Could our native German speakers try and hunt this information down, as I've

Well, i have skimmed through this, and there seems nothing to indicate that it's copyrighted. I searched the forums, but nothing of interest. And if you can download it for free and that it's available for anyone who wants it, i suppose that there is not such a thing. these songs are mostly propaganda i guess, and very very old, i suspect there is naturally no copyright, as it was with your russian soundtrack (i loved that!).
EDIT: I just found out that the songs are "hörproben", basically a try-out-version... the songs are always only partly sung, but the essential parts are in it. The parts which cannot be agreed to in the Grundgesetz are left out i believe! Still, for some songs you have to be a little careful, as they might be too nationalistic for german thinking... ask me if you are unsure...

The quality is generally nice, i recommend "Abgeschmiert aus 100 metern" this is fun as it is a little ironical/cynical...
Oh and yuo might want to include "Als die Römer frech geworden", it's a song about the varus battle, i learned it as a kid, and is very popular here. But this version is rather hilarious :)
other good songs might be: Fliegermarsch, Und wenn wir marschieren

EDIT: interesting find on wikipedia.de:

wikipediar0xx said:
1918 gründeten die Don-Kosaken ihren eigenen Staat Kosakia. Dieser wurde 1919 von der Roten Armee angegriffen und brach daraufhin zusammen.

Which basically says that the Don-Kosakische Union cuold also be Kosakia!
 
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CCurio said:
Isn't "Rik" like "reich", but in swedish? Not sure about föreståndare...well, it's propably not too far off...

t Sarmatia, I will take look at the events soon.

"Rike" is "Reich", yes. (Means something between "Realm" and "Empire") "Riks" is a prefix meaning "Something that has to do with a "rike") so it's for instance Sveriges Riksbank (the central-bank of Sweden) etc. etc.

Riksföreståndare literally means "Person who stands in front of the realm" but it's meaning is somewhat like "keeper". "Realmskeeper" could perhaps be a translation (analogous to "shopkeeper")

EDIT: Oh yes, does the Swedish cabinet (or any of the others...) look reasonable for a Conservative-Monarchist government? If not, please get suggestions based on the existing ministers file!

I don't know much about the Right actually.... I can give you some leaders of left-leaning factions, but I have little knowledge about the swedish right at the time. I'll see what I can dig up though.
 
In reguards to the transport fleet of Germany, I think they would have a large number of transport ships scattered about their empire (7-9?) since their allies are relying on the German navy for support and to move troops about their empire. As for escorts, I would think that they have a very low number. With the decline of the world power navies who is going to risk the wrath of the German navy by attacking her convoys? Their complacency and sense of security leaves them vulnerable to a new type of warfare - convoy raiding (I'm guessing that they will have "Fleet-in-Being" doctrines with maybe the French being convoy raiding?)
 
Gen.Schuermann said:
Well, i have skimmed through this, and there seems nothing to indicate that it's copyrighted. I searched the forums, but nothing of interest. And if you can download it for free and that it's available for anyone who wants it, i suppose that there is not such a thing. these songs are mostly propaganda i guess, and very very old, i suspect there is naturally no copyright, as it was with your russian soundtrack (i loved that!).
EDIT: I just found out that the songs are "hörproben", basically a try-out-version... the songs are always only partly sung, but the essential parts are in it. The parts which cannot be agreed to in the Grundgesetz are left out i believe! Still, for some songs you have to be a little careful, as they might be too nationalistic for german thinking... ask me if you are unsure...

The quality is generally nice, i recommend "Abgeschmiert aus 100 metern" this is fun as it is a little ironical/cynical...
Oh and yuo might want to include "Als die Römer frech geworden", it's a song about the varus battle, i learned it as a kid, and is very popular here. But this version is rather hilarious :)
other good songs might be: Fliegermarsch, Und wenn wir marschieren

EDIT: interesting find on wikipedia.de:



Which basically says that the Don-Kosakische Union cuold also be Kosakia!

Many thanks - I can't imagine anyone related to this music being too stringent about its distribution, but it's always best to be careful. You're definitely right that many of the songs on the sight are a bit comically put together - they like the electric organ a lot! Which would you say are too nationalistic?

For example, I like 'Vom Nordpol zum Südpol' - it seems to be from the '20s, but I don't think it's potentially dodgy, although I may have missed something....? On the other hand, it may be better to mainly stick to the ones without words!

The "Hörprobe" is just for the website - if you click on the .mp3 option you get more or less the entire song in better quality - although generally, several (probably problematic!) verses are left out!


Arilou said:
I don't know much about the Right actually.... I can give you some leaders of left-leaning factions, but I have little knowledge about the swedish right at the time. I'll see what I can dig up though.

Many thanks - see what you can find, as any information is always good!


CCurio said:
OK Sarmy, I have started to work on the events but this may take some time...

...also, I'd need some "Greater Finland" event pic for the New Tribe Wars events...

Excellent - don't hesitate to PM me if you get stuck with anything!

For the picture, I suppose if you just post the base image here or in the general graphics request thread, someone would be able to put one together fairly quickly...



Exterous said:
In reguards to the transport fleet of Germany, I think they would have a large number of transport ships scattered about their empire (7-9?) since their allies are relying on the German navy for support and to move troops about their empire. As for escorts, I would think that they have a very low number. With the decline of the world power navies who is going to risk the wrath of the German navy by attacking her convoys? Their complacency and sense of security leaves them vulnerable to a new type of warfare - convoy raiding (I'm guessing that they will have "Fleet-in-Being" doctrines with maybe the French being convoy raiding?)

Truly an excellent idea about the German naval escort - thank you very much!
 
Here are the finalized fleets for the Royalist and Socialist Britians, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Some basic notes:

- The Royal Fleet I've tried to make so it'd be hard for it to directly engage the Socialist fleet, at least intill its dual heavy carriers are completed. I've left the direction the socialist fleet heads up to the player, the player could opt for a long-term transfer to more reliance on carriers or simply keep production high on his advanced light cruisers and battleships. I think Socialist britian should get lvl IV CL and maybe only lvl I CV, making a dilemma for the player. Perhaps even some Z-plan style events could be made for this.
- I've tried to strengthen the Australian navy alot, in the increasingly chaotic state of the world and collaspe of Britian, Australia would turn increasingly towards expanding her navy and working with New Zealand to build a force capable of self-defense. I'd say give Australian blueprints to lvl IV BCs, and I have a lvl III BC in production for them, and finishing soon so they get access to a large, modern capital ship early in the game. This will make the Australian player better able to survive.
- I've strengthened the SA and NZ fleets only slightly, infact weakened the overall size of the SA fleet a bit, because it's probably fairly isolated and pushed around because of German dominance of the continent, no more Victorian railroad connecting SA with the mineral riches of Uganda.
- I think the Carribean Federation may have a small destroyer fleet, same with Legation states, but other than that I think the other Royalist-aligned states should be lacking, relying on Royal Canada and Australian for regional protection and working together for naval security rather than every man for himself. If you add up all the Royalist fleets with the Royalist French fleet, they'd probably be an effective force, but spread out and lacking in big bad ships to face the massive German Fleet. Especially Germany's 25+ battleships and battlecruisers hanging out in Wilhelmshaven and Kiel.
- Next I'll finish the French fleets, Royals will be minor vessels, based on coastal protection and far-flung coastal raiding, Commies will be based on a small, but modern fleet that will be able to act in conjucture with Communist Italy.

CANADIAN / ACTUAL ROYAL BRITISH FLEETS
Crown Royal Fleet [Halifax]
HMS Triumph ---- Lvl II CV
HMS Ramillies ----- Lvl II BB
HMS Resolution ----- Lvl II BB
HMS Revenge ------ Lvl II BB
HMS Royal Oak ------ Lvl II BB
HMS Royal Sovereign ----- Lvl II BB
HMS Despatch ---- Lvl II CL
HMS Diomede ---- Lvl II CL
HMS Despatch ----- Lvl II CL
HMS Enterprise ----- Lvl II CL
HMS Hawke ---- Lvl III CL

Carrier Strike Force [Halifax]
HMS Majestic ---- Lvl III CV
HMS Magnificent -----Lvl III CV
HMS Leviathan ----- Lvl III CV
HMS Belfast ---- Lvl II CA
HMS Blake ---- Lvl III CL
HMS Blenheim ---- Lvl III CL
HMS St. George ---- Lvl III CL
1. Destroyer Flotilla - Lvl II DD
2. Destroyer Flotilla - Lvl II DD
3. Destroyer Flotilla - Lvl II DD

Transport Force [Halifax]
King's Own Transport Group
Royal Canadian Transport Group
Empress' Transport Group
Halifax Transport Group
Quebec Transport Group
'Crown Royal' Escort Flotilla - Lvl II DD
'Defiant' Escort Flotilla - Lvl II DD

Reserve Crown Royal Fleet [Halifax]
HMS Queen Elizabeth ---- Lvl I BB
HMS Malaya ------ Lvl I BB
HMS Warspite ----- Lvl I BB
HMS Valiant ----- Lvl I BB
HMS Caroline ---- Lvl I CL
HMS Carysfort ---- Lvl I CL
HMS Cordelia ----- Lvl I CL
HMS Calliope ------ Lvl I CL
HMS Champion ----- Lvl I CL

Bermuda Squadron [Royal Fleet, not Carribean]
HMS Furious ----- Lvl I CV
HMS Caledon ---- Lvl I CL
6. Destroyer Flotilla --- Lvl I DD
7. Destroyer Flotilla --- Lvl I DD

Karachi Force [Royal Fleet, not Indian]
HMS Glorious ----- Lvl I CV
HMS Sheffield ---- Lvl II CA
HMS Cardiff ----- Lvl I CL
HMS Curlew ---- Lvl I CL
5. Destroyer Flotilla - Lvl II DD

1st Submarine Fleet [Halifax]
1. Submarine Flotilla -- Lvl I SS
4. Submarine Flotilla -- Lvl II SS
5. Submarine Flotilla -- Lvl II SS

2nd Submarine Fleet [Hong Kong]
2. Submarine Flotilla -- Lvl II SS
3. Submarine Flotilla -- Lvl II SS

3rd Submarine Fleet [Karachi]
6. Submarine Flotilla - Lvl II SS
7. Submarine Flotilla - Lvl II SS

In Production:
Lvl IV Carriers:
- HMS Triumph - Completed May 1938
- HMS Vengeance - Completed June 1938
- 8. Submarine Flotilla - Lvl III SS - Completed June 1937
- 9. Submarine Flotilla - Lvl III SS - Completed June 1937

AUSTRALIAN FLEET

Australian Fleet [Sydney] [Australian]
HMAS Canberra ----- Lvl II CA
HMAS Australia ---- Lvl I BC
HMAS Constance ---- Lvl I CL
HMAS Syndney ---- Lvl II CL
HMAS Melbourne ---- Lvl II CL
1. Aus. Destroyer Flotilla ---- Lvl I DD
2. Aus. Destroyer Flotilla ---- Lvl II DD

Submarine Fleet [Darwin] [Australian]
Australian Submarine Squadron - Lvl III SS

Australian Transport Force [Sydney] [Australian]
1. Australian Transport Force
2. Australian Transport Force
3. Australian Transport Force
4. Australian Transport Force

In Production:
HMAS Brooke - Lvl III BC - Completed February 1937

NEW ZEALAND FLEET
New Zealand Fleet [Wellington] [New Zealand]
HMNZS New Zealand ----- Lvl I BC
HMNZS Canterbury ----- Lvl I CL
NZ Destroyer Flotilla --- Lvl I DD
1. NZ Transport Squadron
2. NZ Transport Squadron

SOUTH AFRICAN FLEET

South African Fleet [South African]
SAS Horn --- Lvl II CL
Patrol Squadron --- Lvl I DD

Socialist Britian

North Sea Fleet
RNS Greater Brittania (ahistorical) ----- Lvl III BB
RNS United (ahistorical) ----- Lvl III BB
RNS King Arthur (ah) ------ Lvl II BB
RNS Lancelot (ah) ------ Lvl II BB
RNS Guinevere (ah) ------ Lvl II BB
RNS The Black Prince (ah) ------ Lvl II BB
RNS Pursuit (ahistorical) ------ Lvl II CV
RNS Renown ----- Lvl I BC
RNS Repulse ----- Lvl I BC
RNS Edinburgh (ah) ----- Lvl III CA
RNS Southhampton (ah) ----- Lvl III CA
RNS Plymouth (ah) ----- Lvl III CA
RNS Birmingham (ah) ----- Lvl II CA
RNS Manchester (ah) ------ Lvl II CA
RNS Ceres ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Coventry ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Curacoa ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Measureless ---- Lvl II CL
RNS Regardless ----- Lvl II CL
RNS Endurance (ah) ----- Lvl III CL
RNS Resurgance (ah) ----- Lvl III CL
RNS Disturbance (ah) ----- Lvl III CL
RNS Elegance (ah) ----- Lvl III CL

Channel Fleet
RNS Revolution ----- Lvl I BB
RNS Revival ----- Lvl I BB
RNS Panther ----- Lvl I BB
RNS Tiger ----- Lvl I BB
RNS Leopard ----- Lvl I BB
RNS Conquest ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Cleopatra ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Comus ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Birkenhead ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Chester ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Cambrian ----- Lvl I CL
RNS Castor ----- Lvl I CL
5. Destroyer Flotilla - Lvl I DD
6. Destroyer Flotilla - Lvl I DD


Irish Fleet
RNS Charger (ahistorical) ----- Lvl II CV
RNS Galahad ----- Lvl II BC
RNS Lionhearted ----- Lvl II BC
RNS Resolution ----- Lvl I BC
RNS Resistance ------ Lvl I BC
RNS Dauntless ---- Lvl II CL
RNS Limitless ---- Lvl II CL
RNS Boundless ---- Lvl II CL
RNS Selfless ---- Lvl II CL
13. Destroyer Flotilla - Lvl III DD


Transport Fleet
Transport Force A
Transport Force B
Transport Force C
Transport Force D
Transport Force E
1. Destroyer Flotilla - All Lvl I
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3. " "
4. " "

Destroyer Fleet
7. Destroyer Flotilla - All Lvl II
8. ""
9. ""
10. ""
11. ""
12. ""

Submarine Fleet
'A' Force Submarine Flotilla - Lvl II SS
'B' Force Submarine Flotilla - Lvl II SS
 
A comment on the Royal British fleet - It seems a bit powerful. Since being pushed out of Britain, would they really have the ability to have 9 BBs and 6 CVs? (Not including the 2 new ones in construction) That seems like a high investment (Are the Royalists just based in Canada cause thats a really high investment of limited Canadian resources to construct 8 carriers ) - it is also way more powerful than the 11 BBs (half of which are old) and 2 CVs of Socialist Britain. Granted I haven't seen (or just missed) a list of Japan's, USA's or a final German OOB but right now, its just an initial impression.
 
CCurio said:
Hmmmh...my game keeps on crashing...could it be that I installed it into HOI II folder that had ATR installed? Should I do a clean sweep and reainstall HOI II? :confused:

crashed for me too on Jan. 5th... yours too? well it's only a map to look at, nothing to play yet :)
 
Every one of those BBs are ones from WWI, I think it is impossible you'd ever get Britian to surrender with the terms being the dismantling of her fleet, that is Britian's lifeline, without it she is nothing, maybe with the French, but not the British. Only ships I added was a few CVs and half a dozen CLs and 2-3 CAs, seems reasonable for 25 years or so of naval development and I'm sure that if the Royals moved to Canada much of the government, naval administration and the national treasury would be there as well. I don't know the specifics of Sarmatian's British civil war, but I was assuming most of old power had moved to Canada.

Perhaps we should ask Sarmatian on some more details.