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How about Nelson Rockefeller(Dem.), Corden Hull(Dem.), Albert Gore Sr.(Dem.) a possible candidate for late 50's/early 60's, Wendell Wilikie(Rep.), Charles L. McNary(Rep.), Alben W. Barkley(Dem.), Wallace H. White Jr.(Rep.), Strom Thurmond(Dem., Rep. Independent).

Thurmond might be a one of Long's sympathizers in this timeline, but in post civil war politics he would be the "Man of the South". A possible VP perhaps for either sides?
 
What about democratic versions of CSA and AUS? IIRC, it is possible to get such ones, and I guess it should be possible to get elections around 1941 (guess the 4-years period between election would be kept in such a case?), with possibe dictatorship (should forces like Foster or Khun seize power) or semi-democratic ones being formed. Guess there's no CSA or AUS without Reed and Long - but I'm afraid they won't make into the 60. ;)
 
ColonelIronboot said:
FlyingDutchie, I think you should contact Nathan Madien, he's the one who writes the The Presidents: Hoover to Dewey AAR. I'm sure he's done enough research to help you out. Good luck, by the way! :D
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Thanks for the tip.

Christian V said:
How about Nelson Rockefeller(Dem.), Corden Hull(Dem.), Albert Gore Sr.(Dem.) a possible candidate for late 50's/early 60's, Wendell Wilikie(Rep.), Charles L. McNary(Rep.), Alben W. Barkley(Dem.), Wallace H. White Jr.(Rep.), Strom Thurmond(Dem., Rep. Independent).

Thurmond might be a one of Long's sympathizers in this timeline, but in post civil war politics he would be the "Man of the South". A possible VP perhaps for either sides?
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Thanks for the ideas. Thurmond could be an interesting figure after the war indeed. Gore Sr. and Rockefeller could be good candidates in the 50s, but are a bit too young for the late 40s/early 50s. At the moment I am considering Hull, Wallace or Barkley. The problem is that Hull retired from politics in 1944 for healthreasons and Wallace might be regarded too leftist for a USA torn by civil war.
For the Republicans things are easier. MacArthur, Knox, Taft, Dewey, take your pick...

Jedrek said:
What about democratic versions of CSA and AUS? IIRC, it is possible to get such ones, and I guess it should be possible to get elections around 1941 (guess the 4-years period between election would be kept in such a case?), with possibe dictatorship (should forces like Foster or Khun seize power) or semi-democratic ones being formed. Guess there's no CSA or AUS without Reed and Long - but I'm afraid they won't make into the 60. ;)
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Hmmm, both states are quite authoritarian. I guess the CSA would be a 'Leninist vanguard' government. Perhaps I will add some intruige between Foster and Thomas if I have the time. Guess communists, anarchists and socialists wil be fighting behind the screen.
For the AUS, there are events in place for Kuhn to coup Long. Again, I will try to add some more 'intruige at court' if I have the time.

I will be adding elections for the PSA, if Arnold doesn't become dictator. Let Frank Merriam, Earl Warren, Upton Sinclair and perhaps even Richard Nixon fight it out.

Feel free to comment on my ideas.
 
All right chaps, here's a frenchman p.o.w on the post defeat France fate.

Having some german HoS and country name is IMHO wrong.
First of all, apart from some minor annexations, Germany wouldn't try to germanize France. Too big, too proud, too old and deep rooted. Hell, in otl they failed to make Alsace a proper part of Germany, and they are a germanic people speaking a german dialect. So it's just impossible with "proper" france. Then, what's the point of any german name, if not for germanization, and even more for any strange name referring to Charlemagne's Empire?

France is defeated and should be keep checked: actually the current mod solution is quite good. Giving northern provinces to Belgium and supporting the creation of regional states where there are strong regional identities.
IMHO, the only thing to change is to have France becoming a weak parlamentarian republic instead of a german inspired monarchy. Germany doesn't want to have to deal with any unrest or resistance against a german inspired throne. And what's left of French royal are probably in Algier.
So, a more severe 1871 solution is quite obvious: Let the French deal themselves with their politics in certain limits. Like Finland after WW2: sort of independent but checked by Soviet Union and having taboos about angering Soviet Union. Puppeted democratic government is IMHO the best solution.

Regarding National France: I frankly think they shouldn't be a republic, hence their flag, nor a monarchy: who will reign upon rump France?
More like Horthy's Hungary or Franco/Petain's regime: French State. Not a republic, not a monarchy. Something with a sort of regent at his head, waiting for the reconquest to occur and to decide France's regime.
Republic? Republic lead France to defeat and I doubt revanchist exiled nationalists would refer and use the cause of France downfall.
IIRC, new National France events will allow the player to choose a republican way or normalizing the country. It's good it's not the only path, as I believe a sort of regency waiting for the reconquest fits more with National France backstory and ideological fundations.
 
Herbert H. Lehman, FDR's old lieutenant from his governorship in New York(and sucessor), could be possible candidate for the Democrats, and an interesting one because of his jewish background.
 
Emp_Palpatine said:
All right chaps, here's a frenchman p.o.w on the post defeat France fate.

Having some german HoS and country name is IMHO wrong.
First of all, apart from some minor annexations, Germany wouldn't try to germanize France. Too big, too proud, too old and deep rooted. Hell, in otl they failed to make Alsace a proper part of Germany, and they are a germanic people speaking a german dialect. So it's just impossible with "proper" france. Then, what's the point of any german name, if not for germanization, and even more for any strange name referring to Charlemagne's Empire?

France is defeated and should be keep checked: actually the current mod solution is quite good. Giving northern provinces to Belgium and supporting the creation of regional states where there are strong regional identities.
IMHO, the only thing to change is to have France becoming a weak parlamentarian republic instead of a german inspired monarchy. Germany doesn't want to have to deal with any unrest or resistance against a german inspired throne. And what's left of French royal are probably in Algier.
So, a more severe 1871 solution is quite obvious: Let the French deal themselves with their politics in certain limits. Like Finland after WW2: sort of independent but checked by Soviet Union and having taboos about angering Soviet Union. Puppeted democratic government is IMHO the best solution.

Regarding National France: I frankly think they shouldn't be a republic, hence their flag, nor a monarchy: who will reign upon rump France?
More like Horthy's Hungary or Franco/Petain's regime: French State. Not a republic, not a monarchy. Something with a sort of regent at his head, waiting for the reconquest to occur and to decide France's regime.
Republic? Republic lead France to defeat and I doubt revanchist exiled nationalists would refer and use the cause of France downfall.
IIRC, new National France events will allow the player to choose a republican way or normalizing the country. It's good it's not the only path, as I believe a sort of regency waiting for the reconquest fits more with National France backstory and ideological fundations.
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I think you are looking for a despotic dictatorship.
 
@ Christian V

Thanks for the suggestions. I will keep them in mind.

@ Emperor Palpatine, JRHINDO

I think the current French setup is understandable from a German point of view. The Germans in Kaiserreich have a habit of imposing Germanic lieges on their puppetstates, why should rumpfrance have a different fate? So what if the French don't like their Teutonic liege? The German army is legitimacy enough ;).

More seriously, at the moment we are looking into buggy and faulty chains. Chains that work but might be a bit implausible aren't our priority at the moment. Your comments have been noted though.

On Petain, the Marechal doesn't have a real title. He is the de facto president/dictator/regent all in one. Guess he would use the title Maréshal or French leader or something nondescript like that. I think the HoG cn be calle Prime Minister.
I am working at National French events, where prime-minister Coty dies and De Gaulle (agressive revanchist path) , Darlan (defensive path) or Reynaud (democratic, integration African natives) takes over as PM. In 1945 or so Petain will step down and the PM takes over.

@ secretalex125

What kind of events are you talking about? It is true Kaiserreich doesn't have specific annexation-events for the different Chinese states, but do you really need them?
If you are speaking for Chinese integration events, Qing has those. The other Chinese states lack either the status, power or goal to acchieve peaceful Chinese integration.
 
Hmmm, both states are quite authoritarian.
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I disagree. My proof is from the Revanchist French government, who despite being the most extreme and radical of the Syndicalist regimes, have some democracy too. Slightly. If you squnit. Here's the revelant information:

name = "Marceau Pivert falls"
desc = "Despite the successful organization of the Syndicalist Congress on May, the Pivert administration has been criticized for its lack of reaction against the surveying of trade unions in Germany. Today, the opposition in the Bourse Générale du Travail agreed to a vote of no confidence towards Pivert, who announced that new elections would be brought forward to elect a new Comité. He will assume his duties until the last results."
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name = "Election day 1: Clarifying the Communal Army"
desc = "Due to the presence of trade unions within the Communal Army, this one has became overly politicized, creating tensions within the Guarantor of the national integrity and the Arm of the Syndicalist Revolution! The French Syndicalist military leaders, mostly Sorelians, decided to ask the soldiers who they want to lead the French army, before definitely dissolving the military trade unions."
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name = "The results-Jacobin majority"
desc = "The elections have finally put the Jacobins in power, permitting the return of the Leninist valors to lead the Commune to the World Revolution! The Syndicalist structures has been abolished, all replaced by a single Communist Party, Sorelian partisans are chased, exiled or gunned down. Now, the newly established Parti Communiste Français will have to choose between General Jacques Duclos and diplomat Marcel Cachin to lead France!"
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name = "The results-Anarchist majority"
desc = "The elections have finally give power to the Anarchistes, meaning that the French people has understood that the Revolution was truly finished and that youth had to be the leading force of our country. The almost totalitarian French syndicalist structures has been converted to the British socialist system. If Chairman Daniel Guérin claims that the fight against the dictatorships, in particular evil Germany, remains a burning issue, the Anarchist victory is peace for our time."
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From this, I can conclude that the French Syndicate are governed by Syndicalist Trade Unions, and these Trade Unions are the ones that select leaders, decide policy, vote in elections, etc. This can be proven by the fact that, as the military have trade unions, the military can also vote in these elections.

And this is the French! It's clear that other Syndicalist regimes wouldn't be as extreme as the French, and thus the CSA would be a little more democratic.
 
@ secretalex125

Do you mean giving cores on all of China to Nationalist China? If that's the case its something to consider.

@ Servant

A major difference is (1) that the CSA is largely centered around Reed. It was Reed who united the Socialist Party, IWW and the several teamsters. Reed would be very hard to replace as symbol of unity between the many different parties within the state.
Also (2), the CSA is a state born out of civil war. It will spend quite some time simply trying to survive and to integrate hostile territory if succesfull. Therefore I think a 'Revolutionary Vanguard' of Reed and his close advisors will rule for at least a decade. Just take a look at the reallife Soviet Civil War, where Lenin cracked down on the power of the local Soviets.
Perhaps some events on whether the CSA will democratize or become more Stalinist in the late 40s, early 50s?
 
CSA and AUS have an event where a vice-president is chosen, with a possibility to become either social democrat or social conservative. I can't recall the CSA guy (he's in my AAR), but the AUS one is definately Charles Lindbergh. Since I'm no expert on US politics, I can't even say is America First had been a RL party or was just made up by the Kaiserreich team, not to mention saying anything about a political system it would advocate. Still, I guess a semi-democratic system should be possible as an option. All in all, if we can make Russia a liberal democracy in this mod, everything should be possible ;)

As for my modifications to revolt.txt - I shall post them as soon as I get an internet connection that doesn't require 10 minutes to post a single message - which means Wednesday evening/Thursday morning.
 
In reference to the Chinese situation, the problem is that the awarding of cores to the Qing is badly handled. Also the Shang tao or w/e their called ARE interested in uniting all of China, don't start out with the power but with the Qing making the wrong choices grow powerful enough to assert that vision. The only states that should eventually have cores over all of China are the Qing, the Shang Tao, the Republic, and Fengtien...you are correct that none of the others have the power or the goal to unite or even control vast swaths of the country. All four of them should eventually through events/war be able to reassert control over all of china and it's historical lands with cores as well. The problem is the way in which the cores are awarded through events atm.
 
Are there any plans for tech tree? If there's no new tech tree planned for Kaiserreich, I'd like to point out a number of strange things the vanilla techtree has. Let's take the aircraft tree.

1) Turbojet TAC (#15100) has an artillery component "FAE bombs". Guess it should be replaced with a chemistry component (all in all, it's just another type of explosive). Simmilar thing occurs for Improved Turbojet TAC (#15110)
2) Basic STR (#4220) has an artillery component "gyrostabilised bombing sights". Wouldn't it be more realistic to replace it with a mechanics one? Advanced STR (#4240) has another artillery component, "payload drop computers". Same here, shouldn't it be electronics? Turbojet STRs (#15160 and 15170) have artillery components "payload racket automatization" - wouldn't mechanics fit a bit better?
3) Basic CAS (#4170) has a chemistry component "dive-drop bomb shells". I'd vote for changing it to either mechanics or even mathematics. Turbojet CASes have components "120 mm cannon" and "150 mm cannon", again described as chemistry. Guess they should be replaced by something more realistic - has anyone heard about a flying airplane with such guns, apart from heavy transport planes?
... And on and on and on... Once I update the revolt.txt, I'd like to do something about those techs. Perhaps making techs more varied would spice up the weapons race and make different techteams finally useful. What do you think about this?
 
Jedrek said:
Are there any plans for tech tree? If there's no new tech tree planned for Kaiserreich, I'd like to point out a number of strange things the vanilla techtree has. Let's take the aircraft tree.

1) Turbojet TAC (#15100) has an artillery component "FAE bombs". Guess it should be replaced with a chemistry component (all in all, it's just another type of explosive). Simmilar thing occurs for Improved Turbojet TAC (#15110)
2) Basic STR (#4220) has an artillery component "gyrostabilised bombing sights". Wouldn't it be more realistic to replace it with a mechanics one? Advanced STR (#4240) has another artillery component, "payload drop computers". Same here, shouldn't it be electronics? Turbojet STRs (#15160 and 15170) have artillery components "payload racket automatization" - wouldn't mechanics fit a bit better?
3) Basic CAS (#4170) has a chemistry component "dive-drop bomb shells". I'd vote for changing it to either mechanics or even mathematics. Turbojet CASes have components "120 mm cannon" and "150 mm cannon", again described as chemistry. Guess they should be replaced by something more realistic - has anyone heard about a flying airplane with such guns, apart from heavy transport planes?
... And on and on and on... Once I update the revolt.txt, I'd like to do something about those techs. Perhaps making techs more varied would spice up the weapons race and make different techteams finally useful. What do you think about this?
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Your tech changes are full of sense, but this is paradox's tech tree. The KR tree should be changed as you said and maybe you should report it to the official hoi2DDA patch threads, because you have a lot of good points.
 
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