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While you guys are on that, I would suggest some sort of Syndicalist option in China. Maybe some ministers placed within Republican China or something.


This would be a good idea. What about if there could be two paths for Chinese Republican revolution(happens in German Chinese puppet). They could take Liberal or Socialist path.

Since Republic of China uses traditional republican flag(which represents less Autocrat/Nationalist China), I suggest there shouldn't be much extremes for this Chinese Republic.

Democratic path would lead to Social Conservative goverment(respect to Chinese traditions) while Socialist path would lead to Syndicalist goverment, but not in the way of Bolsheviks, but more democratic Socialism similar to Union of Britain or Bengal(mix of Social Radical and Social Democrat).

Republican China will have then options to join alliances according to it's own political stance: Syndicalist Republic for Internationale while Liberal Republic for Entente, but no for Mitteleuropa at any cost. Republican China would be natural enemy of Germans and Qing.

By making two paths for Chinese Republic, you can leave Maoist radicals in Shanqing Tianque(they are turned into National Populist in KR reality), while using less radical Left-Wing politics for Socialist Republic. Military leaders are mainly neutral and can stay for both paths.

What do you think?
 
BTW I changed the Qing Core Events to give them all their cores when they decide to reclaim them either peacefully or forcefully because there are NO events to give them if they do it by conquest, which makes no sense.
 
Deutsche Syndikalist Staat... for a DE lang name

Countries don't have "Staat" in their name in German. It's just not done.

Better names would be: Syndikalistische Föderation Deutschlands or Deutsche Syndikalistische Föderation. Depending on what you want the emphasis.
Bund instead of Föderation would also work, but then both you need an "r" for the other two words.

And the main argument was just that the empire would not particularly enjoy sharing europe with another realm. There is das Reich ,and that is the Kaiserreich - there can be no other reference per se.

And this argument is complete bullocks :rolleyes:
Monarchic states have never operated like this, just look at the French Revolutionary wars. France spreaded Republics and the Monarchies Kingdoms.
A similar ideological battle exists in the KR world so Germany would be likely to turn other states into Kingdoms (Königreich) and put a Hohenzollern on the newly created throne
This has already been done with the Mitteleuropa states.

No Reich under any circumstances! There must be only one Reich - the Kaiserreich.

See above :p

To be honest one thing that bugs me is that we get Mittelafrika, AoG and Germany. Deutschland at a minimum, but 'das Kaiserreich' or 'Deutsches Reich' for the Wilhelmite Germany. If everything else is Germanised or German names why the hell is Germany Anglophone!!!

Deutsches Reich if anything.
Das Kaiserreich makes no sense as the only ones who have the idea of Germany wnating to be the only Reich are the people in this thread.

On v1 ish I have Germany when kicked off the continent takes over MittelAfrica directly

...and destroys Mittelafrikas army in the process. And doesn't get cores.
The event is very badly set up.

West, cos thats the division of the Charlemagne/Karl der Grosse/Carolus Magnus empire after his sons agreed to how they were gonna divide it up. Franken cos thats the correct version of 'French' in German (thanks to my gf.) and Staat for State.

Actually the Franks (Franken) are a Germanic tribe, originating from what is now northern Bavaria which conquered the Roman province of Gaul...
There is still a region called Franken, Franconia in English.
But as you see the normal name already contains enough allusions to German "ownership" of France and no change is required :p
 
Narmon said:
A similar ideological battle exists in the KR world so Germany would be likely to turn other states into Kingdoms (Königreich) and put a Hohenzollern on the newly created throne
This has already been done with the Mitteleuropa states.

Do we have any Hohenzollern free to take the throne of France? :rofl:
 
Do we have any Hohenzollern free to take the throne of France? :rofl:

You can always have several thrones at the same time. Ruling (it'll just be a constitutional monarch anyhow) a German principality parallel with France would be perfectly feasible.
 
Personally I doubt that the Germans would put a German on the French throne. It would only infuriate the French, monarchists and republicans alike. Ofcourse if there are events recongnising such folly that I wouldn't mind in the slightest :D
 
Do we have any Hohenzollern free to take the throne of France? :rofl:

In game at the moment, George of Hanover takes the French throne.

As for it being stupid on the Germans' part... yes, it's part of the punishment, I believe. They did it in Mitteleuropa's Eastern States, too, eg Valdemar 'Vladimir II' of White Ruthenia. There is one event that represents how angering it is for the French - after liberation you can choose to either let them elect a president (which makes them have good relations with you) or impose George as Francois III (which decreases relations and gives them a dissent hit IIRC).

Perhaps there's the possibility that an event could be programmed that, if National France still exists, has the new puppet French government approaching Petain and inviting him to lead a popular revolution to overthrow the German 'king' of France, and rule as regent. The Germans would get an event in response that, depending on how war-weary they were, offered them the chance to 'protest strongly' or 'send in the troops'. This could in turn lead to another peace settlement, where a single French state was no longer even an option!
 
Is there any GFX-pack which would include all the national flags in the same style, no matter Vicky or HoI2 style but anyway unified style..?
 
No, there is unfortunately no such pack. I agree it looks a bit jarring sometimes.

Now behold: the Franceless Europe!



I basically created the states of 'Greater Occitania', 'Greater Normandy' and 'Greater Brittany' through acceptall province adjustments. The borders look pretty, but I'm sure they horrify any French regionalist - which they should. The Kaiser is officially 'fed up of your shit' at this point, France. I also changed the colour of Normandy to Serbia's dark pink rather than Switzerland's lurid Red.

I'd be happy to make this events chain if there's popular support for it here.
 
No, there is unfortunately no such pack. I agree it looks a bit jarring sometimes.

Now behold: the Franceless Europe!



I basically created the states of 'Greater Occitania', 'Greater Normandy' and 'Greater Brittany' through acceptall province adjustments. The borders look pretty, but I'm sure they horrify any French regionalist - which they should. The Kaiser is officially 'fed up of your shit' at this point, France. I also changed the colour of Normandy to Serbia's dark pink rather than Switzerland's lurid Red.

I'd be happy to make this events chain if there's popular support for it here.
Aside the point of the "WTF DID YOU DO TO FRANCE?" factor, I think there should be an event for a victorious germany, with the choice to either make lots of puppets to make sure there is order or make a strong friendly neighbour with a familiar leader on the throne with the risk of massive uproar.
 
Aside the point of the "WTF DID YOU DO TO FRANCE?" factor, I think there should be an event for a victorious germany, with the choice to either make lots of puppets to make sure there is order or make a strong friendly neighbour with a familiar leader on the throne with the risk of massive uproar.

There is. IIRC.
 
Aside the point of the "WTF DID YOU DO TO FRANCE?" factor, I think there should be an event for a victorious germany, with the choice to either make lots of puppets to make sure there is order or make a strong friendly neighbour with a familiar leader on the throne with the risk of massive uproar.

As has been said, this already exists. I'm simply suggesting a more extreme version of the current partition option (which creates three small puppets and a smaller France to occupy the rest of the land left over).