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Yes, but it may mean. Even if it means only 'realm', the word 'realm' is a bit higher in the hierarchy than 'state'. That's really MHO, it just sounds like that to me.

Realm is generally used as a term for the domains of a monarchical ruler, including counts, kings and emeperors. There is plenty of realms within the Germany realm, and plenty of nations around europe that may righfully be called realms.
 
Realm is generally used as a term for the domains of a monarchical ruler, including counts, kings and emeperors. There is plenty of realms within the Germany realm, and plenty of nations around europe that may righfully be called realms.

You're right here. But we're talking about a 'French state' set up by Germans if they conquer France. I've just translated the name into German, similar to 'real' name of the country in German - Frankreich - and accidentally got some allusions on Frankish empire and Charlemagne.

UPD: and if Germans create a puppet 'French state', wouldn't they include it into the German realm as a minor French realm?
 
Some German puppets have Germanised names as Vaximilian already mentioned. Mittelafrika and AlgOstAsien for example.

Mittelafrika is a colonial state with no regard to the local african population.
That's totally different from a European puppet state with a native leadership.

And AlgOstAsian Gmbh is a corporate name. This reflects and abstraction in the game to show how independent this corporation is in the territory it controls. De Jure the land still belongs to the Qing.
It's just like portraying the Warlords as independent nations in vanilla.



What about renaming Germany into German Empire? This nation is meant only as empire. This would mean also Communist and Republican minister cabinets could be removed and used for other German states. German Empire cannot get communist or republican since the flag would have to be changed with political changes.

Nonsense.
Germany doesn't start as an absolute monarchy and has a parliament and voting. (tough probably still wealth based)
The Weimar Republic was also named German Empire and the reason for the flagg change was the way it came to be: Out of defeat and revolution rather than gradual reform.
In the mod Germany already has the option to democratize further, limiting the interventions of the Kaiser (=gradual reform) and turn into a more constitutional monarch with the Kaiser little more than a figurehead. Under such circumstances no flag change (as a lot of democrats preferred the Imperial one as well) would be required.
(except for a communist state But this is true for all countries :rolleyes:)

France could also have an option to release united German state if it's victorious, something like DDR, if player wouldn't like to split Germany between Bavaria, Prussia and Rheinland.

True, but this needs to be balanced.
The new state should be massivly federalized, with a very weak central government (as the French would probably not accept anything else) which would be represented with an event that gives big -industrial_modifier and -manpower_modifier so as to get a united but weakened state.

Also the option to release Rhineland and occupy the rest plainly doesn't make sense.
It would be more logical for the French to occupy the Rhineland and release the other 3 states, yet such an option doesn't exist.

You're right here. But we're talking about a 'French state' set up by Germans if they conquer France. I've just translated the name into German, similar to 'real' name of the country in German - Frankreich - and accidentally got some allusions on Frankish empire and Charlemagne.

Frankreich is the totally neutral name of France in German, independent of the political setup.
Nobody would get the idea to change it into anything else, or force the French to use this German name as the official one.

UPD: and if Germans create a puppet 'French state', wouldn't they include it into the German realm as a minor French realm?

No, the other German realms simply reflect the federal structure of Germany, just like the US are pretty federalized. (both in comparison to centralist states likes France)
A totally different Nation like the French would either need to get some sort of puppet state or be military occupied.
 
So... here's the chat so far:

- My flag is supported by some (yay)
- The question of the post-Weltkrieg II events has resurfaced
- The complete France puppet has had a number of names suggested, including Frankreich, Westfrankenstaat and Frankstaat
- Some of these names are apparently unrealistic, though Westfrankenstaat seems the most popular so far
- There has been a suggestion to use the DDR tag (currently used, I believe, for the Leftist political party in Germany) for a 'united Syndicalist Germany with a bit less territory' revolter that the Commune can release after the war instead of the illogical 'release Rhineland and occupy the rest' option

Any suggestions for leaders, flags and names for this 'Syndie Germany'? Personally I like the Four-state solution but as that will always be an option (and I think it should remain highly-weighted in the AI chances of selection if this event does get modified) I'm happy to see an alternative united Germany alongside it. 'German Syndicalist Republic'? 'German Socialist Confederation'?
 
Deutsche Syndikalist Staat... for a DE lang name
or Combiné Syndicat Allemands (lol CSA!) for a French one.

And the main argument was just that the empire would not particularly enjoy sharing europe with another realm. There is das Reich ,and that is the Kaiserreich - there can be no other reference per se. Frankenstaat works, but the Carolus Magnus allusion brings the German Hegemony over the new 'France' to a historic level of over 1000 years ago 'You were always ours, remember?' sort of thing.
 
or Combiné Syndicat Allemands (lol CSA!) for a French one.

That would be Syndicats Combinés Allemands, actually, and it sounds pretty awkward. =P

I don't think we have to use a French name for Syndicalist Germany. Unlike the Kaiserreich, the French are probably content to set up a regime of German Syndicalists allied to them and let them take care of their business.
 
Funny you should mention AOD compatibility...After 5 hours of work last night, I made an AOD patch for Kaiserreich. It's not pretty, but it should work.

INSTRUCTIONS:

In your Kaiserreich mod folder, go to config, and delete the boostertext.csv and doomsdaytext.csv.


Replace your Kaiserreich leaders folder with this one: http://www.filefactory.com/file/b0b025c/n/leaders.7z

I tried it out but it still crashes on "reading scenario". Any advice?
 
Deutsche Syndikalist Staat... for a DE lang name
or Combiné Syndicat Allemands (lol CSA!) for a French one.

And the main argument was just that the empire would not particularly enjoy sharing europe with another realm. There is das Reich ,and that is the Kaiserreich - there can be no other reference per se. Frankenstaat works, but the Carolus Magnus allusion brings the German Hegemony over the new 'France' to a historic level of over 1000 years ago 'You were always ours, remember?' sort of thing.

1. Too much CSA...:rofl:
2. Fully agreed with you, Reich is Reich, whenever Kaiserreich or Frankreich.

That would be Syndicats Combinés Allemands, actually, and it sounds pretty awkward. =P

I don't think we have to use a French name for Syndicalist Germany. Unlike the Kaiserreich, the French are probably content to set up a regime of German Syndicalists allied to them and let them take care of their business.

Why not simple Sydicalist Germany?
 
If we have 'Syndicalist Germany' (and maybe a dutch capitulation/DDR release style event so the CoF doesn't have to go chasing all over the pacific for German VP's) then we need to rename Grey Germany to German Empire.

To be honest one thing that bugs me is that we get Mittelafrika, AoG and Germany. Deutschland at a minimum, but 'das Kaiserreich' or 'Deutsches Reich' for the Wilhelmite Germany. If everything else is Germanised or German names why the hell is Germany Anglophone!!!
 
To be honest one thing that bugs me is that we get Mittelafrika, AoG and Germany. Deutschland at a minimum, but 'das Kaiserreich' or 'Deutsches Reich' for the Wilhelmite Germany. If everything else is Germanised or German names why the hell is Germany Anglophone!!!

+1, Kaiserreich would be the best. That's why the mod is called Kaiserreich! So there should be one:)
 
On v1 ish I have Germany when kicked off the continent takes over MittelAfrica directly IE France in Vanilla sort of. Meaning that they still exist so setting up a direct rival Germany may actually make sense.
 
Funny you should mention AOD compatibility...After 5 hours of work last night, I made an AOD patch for Kaiserreich. It's not pretty, but it should work.

INSTRUCTIONS:

In your Kaiserreich mod folder, go to config, and delete the boostertext.csv and doomsdaytext.csv.


Replace your Kaiserreich leaders folder with this one: http://www.filefactory.com/file/b0b025c/n/leaders.7z

There's no boostertext.csv in my Kaiserreich folder. I did the rest (deleting doomsdaytext and replacing the leaders) but it still won't work.

I'll try to do a reinstall of AoD and Kaiserreich and do that again. I don't think I have the latest version of Kaiserreich anyway.
 
There's no boostertext.csv in my Kaiserreich folder. I did the rest (deleting doomsdaytext and replacing the leaders) but it still won't work.

I'll try to do a reinstall of AoD and Kaiserreich and do that again. I don't think I have the latest version of Kaiserreich anyway.

Try backing up/clearing out the vanilla leaders folder as well. Some people have reported trouble with that- others haven't.
 
West, cos thats the division of the Charlemagne/Karl der Grosse/Carolus Magnus empire after his sons agreed to how they were gonna divide it up. Franken cos thats the correct version of 'French' in German (thanks to my gf.) and Staat for State.

France is currently known as Frankreich in German - 'Realm (of the) Franks'. Considering the Kaiserreich just won, a demotion is in order, non? Thus, Frank-staat - French State. Still sounds too independant. So we tack on the West, Pull it back into the 1st Holy Roman Empire, as forged by Charlemagne/Karl der Grosse/Carolus Magnus and you have a HISTORICAL reason why the Germans will not be leaving France any time soon.

Hell, put Wilhelm as HoS for Germany and France too :D

(in short JRHINDO - linguistic reasons that allow implication all of France is German land)
 
My vote goes to Westfrankenstaat. Provided it uses my flag ;)