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Juancho said:
So basically I think techs need to reflect a world where the Washington Naval Treaty never hapened
Hmmm, wouldn't that result in inefficiently armed cruisers and gigantic battleships? Perhaps even less of a need for arch welding and such. I remember from the HOI 1 CORE techtree that a lot of progress in ship design near WWII was driven on by the WNT...

Oh yeah, your english is just fine. :)
 
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Juancho said:
Hello Sarmatia, this is looking like a great mod.

I read something about some of the plans of changing some techs, I believe that all techs need little change, especially naval ones, so we can include things like Dreadnoughts, and other stuff that would be around and still be in use in this scenario.

A place with info about the hochseeflotte that might ilustrate better what I'm talking about:
http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/index.html l

Also read about some of the stuff CCurio posted about doctrines, and I would like to contribute a bit with the debelopment in this area, if needed. So basically I think techs need to reflect a world where the Washington Naval Treaty never hapened, where infanterie tanks are still very important, where techs keep developing during the 20's, at different speeds, and most likely in diferent countries. Sorry got carried away :rolleyes: .

So If You Like any of my ideas tell me. I haven't realy modded anything since HOI 1, but in a couple of hours I could be in good enough shape to mess with some techs.

I'm sorry about my English, it always keeps me from posting, I hope it's good enough so you understand.

Sounds cool. I'm probably going to delegate any tech redesign work (technologies, ship-models and military designs aren't really my area!), so please post whatever you come up with!
 
CCurio said:
Hmmm, wouldn't that result in inefficiently armed cruisers and gigantic battleships? Perhaps even less of a need for arch welding and such. I remember from the HOI 1 CORE techtree that a lot of progress in ship design near WWII was driven on by the WNT...

Oh yeah, your english is just fine. :)

:D - Aha, we are in your sig now - many thanks!

Well, Germany is definitely going to want to develop big ships (or has already...) - however, Germany industrial and naval power is going to mean that it would be pretty much impossible for most nations to even try to compete (with possible exceptions of Britain, Japan, USA, and remaining British Imperial possessions...). So, you may see OTL developments in ship-design anyway out of necessity, as less-developed powers attempt to find ways of countering the German fleet with smaller ship designs...

We could also see odd sorts of development in land warfare, with certain powers attempting to emulate naval tactics on the battlefield and carry on development from armoured trains and Big-Bertha style artillery, to create big, very slow-moving armoured tanks (of WWI style design) fitted with battleship guns....
 
Jebus said:
Well, on second thought they have two... Mons is Walloon too.

But yeah, whatever floats your boat. It appears that technical stuff is your field anyway, so I will not steer you off course with my layman remarks... :)

:D - Don't worry about steering me off course, these are good opportunities for clarification - The backstory and setup must be made as watertight as possible, so everything has to be justified!
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
We could also see odd sorts of development in land warfare, with certain powers attempting to emulate naval tactics on the battlefield and carry on development from armoured trains and Big-Bertha style artillery, to create big, very slow-moving armoured tanks (of WWI style design) fitted with battleship guns....
Mind boggling. :wacko:

On the other hand I can just see it...hmmm, perhaps the development of such "land battleships" would go from insanely large land battleships to smaller, Maus-like vechiles...but with two barrels! Mammuth Panzers! :p :D

So, hmmm, super heavies would become even more super heavier...could light armor be possibly used for infantry support tanks?
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
:D - Don't worry about steering me off course, these are good opportunities for clarification - The backstory and setup must be made as watertight as possible, so everything has to be justified!

'Key :)

Some more thoughts on a Dietsch Empire scenario:

- After Flanders has been unified with Dutchiestan, there should definately be an event where the newly formed Diets empire asks South Africa to join. This was, after all, part of their ideology - I'd link you, but unfortunately every on-line source I can track down is in Dutch. South Africa should have a smaller chance of accepting, though (like 65/35 or something).

- I am not quite sure if a Dietsch empire should recieve cores on Indonesia, like vanilla Netherlands does... However, nobody having cores on Indonesia might mess with the worlds supply of rares, and releasing colonies surely wasn't in anyones line of thinking then. I guess you would have to consider what would be best gameplay-wise, then.

(same with Dutch Guyana)

- I assume that Belgian Congo would not be included, as it is now part of Freistaat Mittelafrika?

- If Flanders and Dutchiestan were to go to war over the Verdinaso thing, and Flanders were to capture Amsterdam, perhaps you could make the victory result in a Chinese-minor type of annexation, where the newly formed Dietsch empire would end up with the Dutch army and navy intact. Otherwise, you'd risk the fact that the Dietsch empire would have no troops in Indonesia or ships to transport them there, witch would make it way to easy for an expansionist Japan. Same with the diplomatic route, of course, and the same for South Africa.

- I don't know to what extent you can mess with names, but I had a thought:
the name 'Dietsch' came into disuse when ze Germans abused it in WWI and II to suit their 'Culturpolitik', i.e. they made it a synonym to 'Deutsch', claiming the Dutch-speaking people were a 'branch' of the Greater Germanic stock. This was one of the main reasons why the Dietsch ideology came into discredit after the wars, and why they changed the name of their ideology to 'Heel-Nederlands' or 'Whole-Dutch'. So, perhaps you could make the name they assume dependant on wether they unite as a reaction to an expansionist France or a Germany that wants to outright annex them. I don't know if that would mean you'd need an extra tag, though.

- You can't have a fully unified Dietsch empire without them claiming back French Flanders (Dunkerque, Lille and Calais). Perhaps you could give them cores on these lands, or have them annex them if Germany were to defeat France in a war or something. Just a thought.

I'm really getting into this alternate history stuff :D
 
CCurio said:
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There, my own circuit board... :cool: :p

Sounds like a plan! Now if somoene could just actually code the thing....
 
Jebus said:
'Key :)

Some more thoughts on a Dietsch Empire scenario:

- After Flanders has been unified with Dutchiestan, there should definately be an event where the newly formed Diets empire asks South Africa to join. This was, after all, part of their ideology - I'd link you, but unfortunately every on-line source I can track down is in Dutch. South Africa should have a smaller chance of accepting, though (like 65/35 or something).

- I am not quite sure if a Dietsch empire should recieve cores on Indonesia, like vanilla Netherlands does... However, nobody having cores on Indonesia might mess with the worlds supply of rares, and releasing colonies surely wasn't in anyones line of thinking then. I guess you would have to consider what would be best gameplay-wise, then.

(same with Dutch Guyana)

- I assume that Belgian Congo would not be included, as it is now part of Freistaat Mittelafrika?

- If Flanders and Dutchiestan were to go to war over the Verdinaso thing, and Flanders were to capture Amsterdam, perhaps you could make the victory result in a Chinese-minor type of annexation, where the newly formed Dietsch empire would end up with the Dutch army and navy intact. Otherwise, you'd risk the fact that the Dietsch empire would have no troops in Indonesia or ships to transport them there, witch would make it way to easy for an expansionist Japan. Same with the diplomatic route, of course, and the same for South Africa.

- I don't know to what extent you can mess with names, but I had a thought:
the name 'Dietsch' came into disuse when ze Germans abused it in WWI and II to suit their 'Culturpolitik', i.e. they made it a synonym to 'Deutsch', claiming the Dutch-speaking people were a 'branch' of the Greater Germanic stock. This was one of the main reasons why the Dietsch ideology came into discredit after the wars, and why they changed the name of their ideology to 'Heel-Nederlands' or 'Whole-Dutch'. So, perhaps you could make the name they assume dependant on wether they unite as a reaction to an expansionist France or a Germany that wants to outright annex them. I don't know if that would mean you'd need an extra tag, though.

- You can't have a fully unified Dietsch empire without them claiming back French Flanders (Dunkerque, Lille and Calais). Perhaps you could give them cores on these lands, or have them annex them if Germany were to defeat France in a war or something. Just a thought.

I'm really getting into this alternate history stuff :D

Aha, interesting! I'm already planning on having an option for South Africa to break away from an overly centralist British Empire and take on Joachim von Hohenzollern as King of a new Boer dominated Afrikaaner Kingdom. So, linking up with the other Dutch states could be a good third option - particularly as it would give them an immediate reason to start fighting Mittelafrika!
(This may mean it would be an idea to create a seperate Transvaal-Orange nation with one of the spare TAGs...).

Also, would there be any chance of Holland actually taking the lead in the creation of a Dietsch Empire? That way, there would be a number of ways in which it could form...

To have a choice of names you would need to use two distinct TAGs - however, without Nazi-style foreign/cultural policies in Germany, the term 'Dietsch' might not become so sullied as you say it was in real life. So the one should be okay...
 
CCurio said:
I'll plot up the effects and subtechs and then we'll move to coding...

Excellent! Would definitely be very good, as long as I'm not need to do much stuff!

Also, one thing I think would be interesting and atmospheric would be if there was an option to change the ingame fonts into Frakturschrift, like this:

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The fonts are definitely moddable (there are a few mods for Victoria, if I remember correctly...), but I'm guessing it would be quite fiddly to do.

However, if it can be done, the mod can actually have an educational value, and teach people the crucial skill of reading early modern and 19th century German documents!
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
Aha, interesting! I'm already planning on having an option for South Africa to break away from an overly centralist British Empire and take on Joachim von Hohenzollern as King of a new Boer dominated Afrikaaner Kingdom. So, linking up with the other Dutch states could be a good third option - particularly as it would give them an immediate reason to start fighting Mittelafrika!
(This may mean it would be an idea to create a seperate Transvaal-Orange nation with one of the spare TAGs...).

Sounds interesting!

Also, would there be any chance of Holland actually taking the lead in the creation of a Dietsch Empire? That way, there would be a number of ways in which it could form...

Well, I don't know. The Verdinaso movement was mostly (if not uniquely) limited to Flanders, with Joris van Severen as figurehead. I don't think there were any comparable movements in Dutchiestan - not that I know of, at the least.
I'd guess the Netherlands, if they wanted to form a Dietsch empire, would most likely do it out of different motives than the Flemish, though - perhaps a right-wing coup that wanted to unite all lands that were once under Dutch rule. Maybe you could give them a core on New York too, then :D

It'd be very hard finding ministers for a Dietsch Empire formed by Dutchiestan, though.. I guess you'd have to ask someone specialised in Dutch interbellum history, as I really wouldn't know.

To have a choice of names you would need to use two distinct TAGs - however, without Nazi-style foreign/cultural policies in Germany, the term 'Dietsch' might not become so sullied as you say it was in real life. So the one should be okay...

Well, they did use it in WWI too - and if (as in the second scenario I mentioned) Germany was planning to outright annex Flanders they would probably be using that same propaganda again. But hey - it is, after all, a relatively minor detail.
 
Sarmatia1871 said:
Excellent! Would definitely be very good, as long as I'm not need to do much stuff!

Also, one thing I think would be interesting and atmospheric would be if there was an option to change the ingame fonts into Frakturschrift, like this:

The fonts are definitely moddable (there are a few mods for Victoria, if I remember correctly...), but I'm guessing it would be quite fiddly to do.

However, if it can be done, the mod can actually have an educational value, and teach people the crucial skill of reading early modern and 19th century German documents!
I will work on it, though I've heard that the 'circuit board' coding is pretty nightmarish. :eek: Nevertheless I will do my best to work on it.

I like the font idea, though it might be confusing at first. ;)
 
Jebus said:
'Key :)

Some more thoughts on a Dietsch Empire scenario:

- After Flanders has been unified with Dutchiestan, there should definately be an event where the newly formed Diets empire asks South Africa to join. This was, after all, part of their ideology - I'd link you, but unfortunately every on-line source I can track down is in Dutch. South Africa should have a smaller chance of accepting, though (like 65/35 or something).

Give it to me and i will explain what you'd wan't to know.

By the way in our national anthem is the diets tradition:

Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
Ben ick van Duytschen bloet

Duytschen means both German and Diets.
 
read people, read! :D :D

This alternate history stuff is really cool. I am so definately looking forward to it!