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Delex said:
SHS (Country of Slovens, Croats and Serbs):
This country did exist in the real world for exactly one month after uniting with Serbia and has renamed into Kingdom of SHS (Serbs, Croats and Slovens). As its name says all the South Slavs of the empire are in it. Well here they have directly absorbed Serbia, Montenegro and Vojvodina (From Hungary). Capital is Zagreb.
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That is stupid, Serbia would never agree to become Habsburg's vassal! WWI anyone?:eek:o
 
I am not involved in this project, but here are my idea's.

Sgt. Optimus said:
That is stupid, Serbia would never agree to become Habsburg's vassal! WWI anyone?:eek:o
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This mod is about an alternative history, where the Central powers have won WWI. So Serbia as a vassal of the Habsburg isn't that absurd in that case.


delex said:
Second Ottomans directly control all the lands, which are rightfully theirs and the Arabian peninsula. If i were Ottoman I wanted direct control, why should I accept puppet mastery over Libya if I can have it whole (In the game it was probably made, that if you play as Italy you wouldn't have to annex the Ottomans, just to get the colonies back).
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Probably because Libya was a puppet of the Ottomans before 1912. The Ottomans never directly controlled North Africa, all those nations (Algeria, Tunis, Libya, Egypt) were controlled as puppets.

Forth Italy is a united nation. I know no good reason why they should fall apart. The defeat would forge them even more together.
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After Caporetto, Italy was close to a civil war. The Italian officer corps was dominated by Northern Italians, the normal soldiers from the south thought that they were used as cannon-fodder by their officers.

Country of West Slavs:
Mainly Czechs, Poles and Ukrainians. That is the reflection of country which the South Slavs made. Capital is Prague
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These people were never united as one nation, so why should this suddenly happen after WWI. Ukrainians also aren't West Slavs. The current situation is at least based on countries that existed historically
 
First thanks for commenting:
Sgt. Optimus-As would Serbia had a choice, since AH achieved total victory. Alternatives to the map i made would be that Serbia would be a independent puppet with a German monarch as leader. They would probably lose Belgrade to AH and Kosovo (I think thats the province Skopje) to Albania. So their power in the Balkans would be effectively reduced.

ROMANU-After some research I found out that that would be indeed a bad situation for the Hungarians. But the next best is that the Germans would install a German monarch to lead the country. You have to agree with me in the point, that Romania has indeed struck in the back of the Central forces and that should not go unpunished. And yes the situation I made is a kind of Federation of Germans, Hungarians, South Slavs and West Slavs and Ukrainians. But thats just because of the decentralization.

BritishImperial-First I want anyone who sees it comment it. Why couldn't Germany get Gibraltar? Navy or something similar? If you do don't agree with any of my statements, pls write a good reason why.

Italy after war faced inflation and unemployment. Not to mention the danger of an revolution. Without Benito Mussolini Italy would face a civil war, the socialists would take over or the socialists would gain quite some power in the government (So there is a chance that that happens what it did in the scenario). But im still more for a united Italy.

And if you were AH wouldn't you demand gains after the war. It would be only fair if they gained some land from Russia.

Here is a bit changed map from your comments:


ALB, SER and ROM are free nations, but are controlled by German monarchs, which were installed after the war.
 
Veldmaarschalk-
1-OK
2-Or that also could be the reason, but those lands should be under OTT control anyway (Or Egypt should be puppet if nothing else).
3-I did also write they faced civil war, but the North would probably win, cause the South was less developed.
4-I know they were never united, but they formed a nation so they could have a greater voice in the empire. Ukrainians are indeed East Slavs, but they are also in this nation.
 
ALB, SER and ROM are free nations, but are controlled by German monarchs, which were installed after the war.
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Well Albania is ruled by the same ruler they had shortly before WWI

Wilhelm von Wied


So essentialy they just reinstalled him :)

Romania is ruled by the Iron Guard, a fascist organisation, so not by a monarch
 
Veldmaarschalk said:
Well Albania is ruled by the same ruler they had shortly before WWI

Wilhelm von Wied


So essentialy they just reinstalled him :)

Romania is ruled by the Iron Guard, a fascist organisation, so not by a monarch
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Well thats my point lol. Those nations would all get German monarch. If you would defeat a nation installing a puppet government is the last thing you can do, if not taking any terriotry or forcing some treaties upon them.
 
i wasn't suggesting that germany couldn't physically take gibraltar. they couldnt if the Royal Navy wanted to stop them, but we're talking about concessions after the war is over. my point was that if britain were to lose control over gibraltar, i would expect spain to have VERY strong claims upon it, given that its a part of spain that was taken from them and they have always wanted it back. so i was saying that in order to keep spain from hating them they would give them back the ownership of it, though they'd probably want a base there or something.
 
Veldmaarschalk said:
Iron Guard Romania
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I see what you mean but all that Romania had to do was to secede like 2 provinces (Or one don't know exactly) and agree to the treaty. Thats not that impressive. Not to mention that they were granted Besarabia, which was originally granted to Ukraine, until it was reoccupied by Romania when the Red army was killing Ukraine (Real history).

BritishImperial-Well that depends how much the Spa wanted to get Gibraltar. Since Germany was the mightiest country in the world after its victory in WW1 (MOD).
 
Delex said:
I see what you mean but all that Romania had to do was to secede like 2 provinces (Or one don't know exactly) and agree to the treaty. Thats not that impressive. Not to mention that they were granted Besarabia, which was originally granted to Ukraine, until it was reoccupied by Romania when the Red army was killing Ukraine (Real history).
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They also lost the control over the Ploesti oil-fields, Romania's most important economical asset. To me it sounds like a pretty harsh treaty.

Your super Austria-Hungary looks a bit unrealistic to me, AH had 'lost' a lot in the war, it was only lucky that it was on the German side, which in the end meant they 'won'.


Also about your Slavic-states, that you want to make part of AH is very unlikely, Hungary would never agree to such a thing. Since it would mean they would lose much of their power. Instead of being 1 of 2 partners, they would only be 1 of 4 partners and since Hungary had large quantities of Slavic minorities within its border, it would cause a lot of unrest within Hungary. Since those Slavs within Hungary, would of course want to belong to one of the two Slavic stats.
 
Veldmaarschalk said:
They also lost the control over the Ploesti oil-fields, Romania's most important economical asset. To me it sounds like a pretty harsh treaty.

Your super Austria-Hungary looks a bit unrealistic to me, AH had 'lost' a lot in the war, it was only lucky that it was on the German side, which in the end meant they 'won'.


Also about your Slavic-states, that you want to make part of AH is very unlikely, Hungary would never agree to such a thing. Since it would mean they would lose much of their power. Instead of being 1 of 2 partners, they would only be 1 of 4 partners and since Hungary had large quantities of Slavic minorities within its border, it would cause a lot of unrest within Hungary. Since those Slavs within Hungary, would of course want to belong to one of the two Slavic stats.
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Per the hoi standards they didnt lost anything. And my super austro hungary is realistic, since per the way the mod currently is, they didnt have any gains (Or atleast no notable ones).

About the Slvaic states. They would be formed, since the emperor gave many rights to the peoples under him in the crictical moments of the war (1918). Historically he gave them full freedom in the last days in the war. That was when SHS and Chezkoslovakia were formed. Here Austria is a federative parlamental monarchy.
 
Delex said:
First thanks for commenting:
Sgt. Optimus-As would Serbia had a choice, since AH achieved total victory. Alternatives to the map i made would be that Serbia would be a independent puppet with a German monarch as leader.
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Well, it depends on the scenario and Serbia's ally position and their strenght. In that case, nevermind, go on.;)


Delex said:
They would probably lose Belgrade to AH and Kosovo (I think thats the province Skopje) to Albania. So their power in the Balkans would be effectively reduced.
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No way m8, Skopje is Skopje, Kosovo and Metohia is Kosovo and Metohia.
 
Delex said:
About the Slvaic states. They would be formed, since the emperor gave many rights to the peoples under him in the crictical moments of the war (1918). Historically he gave them full freedom in the last days in the war. That was when SHS and Chezkoslovakia were formed. Here Austria is a federative parlamental monarchy.
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But emperor Karol II gave them only because the country was on the verge of collapse. Should Austro-Hungary be victorious, such right would never be given, and I am quite confident that status quo would be maintained.

The unification of Poles and Czechs... Well, sorry to say that, but it's riddiculous. First of all, simmilar as they may seem, the Czech and Poles are much more different than the Czechs or the Slovaks. More, it is doubtful for me if Poles in Galicia would be happy to give up the autonomy they recieved in the XIX century in exchange for dependence on Prague.
 
yes, romania backtabbed them, but so did italy, even worst as they were official allies (romania was in a secret treaty that stated that it Must interveen only when another member of the allience is attacked. it stated nothing about agressive actions)

there are 3 ways for romania
1 independent poor isolated nation, as it is in keiserreich
2 part of the Austrian empire, where it should becaome the 4th crown of the empire
3 puppet of Germany where a new Hohenzolern is brought to the throne
 
ROMANU-3 would suit me best if Besarabia would become Ukrainian.

Jedrek-Well per the way the war is described, it seems that the only change is that the Germans didn't start their offensive in 1918. In the meantime AH was falling apart, so there was not much of a choice for the Emperor.

About Poles and Czechs, this map will maybe suit you more:



Sgt. Optimus-I don't really know what you mean with Kosovo (Is your opinion that Albania would never get the territory or what)?
 
why would it be ucrainian there are allmost no ucrainians there, and why is Isai province to Hun?

PS after their defeat in 1330 (posada) the hungarians had no more territorial claims over the outer carpathians... ever

PPS he who doesn't know the past cannot risk predicting the furure (Emil Cioran)
 
ROMANU said:
why would it be Ukrainian there are almost no Ukrainians there, and why is Isai province to Hun?

PS after their defeat in 1330 (posada) the hungarians had no more territorial claims over the outer carpathians... ever

PPS he who doesn't know the past cannot risk predicting the furure (Emil Cioran)
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Too bad for you that i got the required knowledge of history to do that lol.

About the question why it should be Ukrainian. Counterqestion, why it shouldnt be Ukrainian exept for the reason that Romanians live there.

Well about Isai, Romania had to lose some territory, if not it just wouldnt look good.
 
i'm amazed at how much debate this has sparked without anyone swearing yet :D
 
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