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On a slightly different topic: Bug reports

-"Kingdom of spain had EVT_322_NAME"
-There is an USA AI swtich that causes an error (but not a crash) just after the formation of either Texas or California
-3 plays through as a hands off Haiti game, 3 US dows on california and 3 game crashes immidiatly after
-error: (unknown government position in scenario file (minister)) 'position = tag' Line = 463221 file = scenarios\save......" <- also got that in the 3 games as Haiti when I tried to reload the savegame (didn't have anyproblems loading the scenario or playing it through, just couldn't load a savegame or autosave)
 
Here is partial de-nazification of the German techteams.

I lowered Werner von Braun and Hiesenburg's skill each by 2, to represent their lack of funding they would recieve, but I left them in for now. I got rid of Kriegsmarinewerft, Porsche, Donitz, Raeder, Georing, and Manstein in addition to the air teams.

The gothaer picture had a mistypo when I took the shot, but its fixed now, I'll add a few more and tune some the stats before giving them to you guys to add to your game files.

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Each land reseacher should reflect the two sides of the German General Staff, Mackensen represents the old guard, Guderian the new guard, via events Manstien and others can be added as tech teams, etc. But Manstien wouldn't have enough prominance yet to be valid for a tech team. :)
 
Papal States minister teams, skeletal model

Hey guys. Here are some ideas for historical and ahistorical Vatican ministers and minister events... see what you like and what you think needs tinkering. :)

POPE PIUS XI'S CABINET
Sarmatia indicated to me that he intended to keep Pius XI as the Pope in this scenario, from 1936-1939, as he was historically. Perhaps with a more expansionistic bent. Here are my cabinet suggestions (unless otherwise noted, all ministers are likely Paternal Autocrat):

Head of State:
Pius XI (Stern Imperialist)

Head of Government:
Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli (Naive Optimist)

Foreign Minister:
Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli (Great Compromiser)

Armaments Minister:
Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli (Administrative Genius)
Francesco Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani (Laissez-Faire Capitalist)

Minister of Security:
Donato Cardinal Sbarretti (Silent Lawyer)
Elia Cardinal dalla Costa (Benevolent Gentleman)

Minister of Intelligence:
Giovanni Montini (Dismal Enigma)
Domenico Tardini (Political Specialist)
Angelo Giuseppe (Political Specialist)
Georg von Sury d'Aspremont (Logistics Specialist) (sleep 1942)
Heinrich Pfyffer von Altishofen (Logistics Specialist) (wake 1942)

Chief of Staff:
Georg von Sury d'Aspremont (School of Defense) (sleep 1942)
Heinrich Pfyffer von Altishofen (School of Defense) (wake 1942)

Chief of Army:
Georg von Sury d'Aspremont (Static Defense Doctrine) (sleep 1942)
Heinrich Pfyffer von Altishofen (Static Defense Doctrine) (wake 1942)

Chief of Navy:
Georg von Sury d'Aspremont (Base Control Doctrine) (sleep 1942)
Heinrich Pfyffer von Altishofen (Base Control Doctrine) (wake 1942)

Chief of Air Force:
Georg von Sury d'Aspremont (Vertical Envelopment Doctrine) (sleep 1942)
Heinrich Pfyffer von Altishofen (Vertical Envelopment Doctrine) (wake 1942)

* * *
-Pacelli was both Camerlengo (Chamberlain) and Secretary of State at this time; hence his many ministerial positions.
-Marchetti-Selvaggiani was Vicar General of Rome, governing the Roman diocese, so he could potentially be Armaments minister.
-Sbarretti was Secretary of the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, a position that traces its roots to the Inquisition.
-Dalla Costa has been placed as a somewhat permanent alternative for Holy Office Secretary (Security Minister). According to John Cornwell's research for
Hitler's Pope, dalla Costa was second to Pacelli in the Conclave Election of 1939, and he was seen as a candidate for a simpler, more pastoral pope.
-Montini, Tardini, and Giuseppe are placed as potential intelligence ministers because of the secretive historical roles they played in World War II. Montini and Giuseppe both historically go on to become popes themselves. If anyone can find out information about a Vatican spy network or secret service, perhaps those leaders would be better alternatives.
-According to the Flags of the World website (http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/va-swiss.html), Georg von Sury d'Aspremont was commandant for the Swiss Guard until 1942, when he was replaced by Heinrich Pfyffer von Altishofen. The naval and air doctrines are shot-in-the-dark suggestions; I chose them mainly because of their emphasis on elite, commando-style ground forces. If you're going to make the Papal States a major military power, you'll undoubtedly need more generals... does anyone know of any good Swiss Catholic generals from WW2?


1939 CONCLAVE
Okay, here's our divergence. Pius XI dies on 10 February 1939. In all cases, both Pius XI and Donato Cardinal Sbarretti should be slept. Sbarretti actually died 1 April 1939, but there's little reason to make a whole new event for him when the death dates are so close. Anyway...

Options I have in mind are:

Option 1: Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli (Pius XII) - Historical Outcome
Pacelli's role in World War II is a matter of contention and controversy, but he can probably be molded in the Kaissereich scenario as an asserter of Vatican sovereignty and neutrality.

Head of State:
Pius XII (Pig-headed Isolationist)

Head of Government:
Luigi Cardinal Maglione (Political Protege) (sleep/death 22 Aug 1944)
Pius XII (Silent Workhorse) (wake 22 Aug 1944)

Foreign Minister:
Luigi Cardinal Maglione (Apologetic Clerk) (sleep/death 22 Aug 1944)
Giovanni Montini (Ideological Crusader) (wake 1944)
Domenico Tardini (Apologetic Clerk) (wake 1944)

Minister of Armament:
Lorenzo Cardinal Lauri (Administrative Genius) (sleep/death 8 Oct 1941)
Domenico Tardini (Administrative Genius) (wake 1944)
Giovanni Montini (Laissez-Faire Capitalist) (wake 1944)
Mother Pasqualina Lehnert (Corrupt Kleptocrat) (wake 1940)

Minister of Security:
Francesco Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani (Silent Lawyer)

* * *
-Maglione was Secretary of State under Pius XII. After Maglione's death, Pius kept the Secretary of State position vacant; as such, he was officially the HoG, but both Tardini and Montini would work directly under him and divide the responsibilities of Secretary of State between themselves.
-Lauri was Camerlengo after Pacelli, but after his 1941 death the post was vacant until 1958.
-Marchetti-Selvaggiani was appointed Holy Office Secretary after Sbarretti's death (remember that dalla Costa is still an ahistorical option).
-Mother Pasqualina was a notorious figure, whom her enemies called "La Popessa". She was Pius XII's housekeeper, and it is said that she wielded considerable power in the Vatican.


Option 2: Elia Cardinal dalla Costa (Stephen X) - Nonpolitical Outcome
As said earlier, there was some evidence that dalla Costa was considered a less political, more pastoral alternative to Pacelli. However, in the rightist, imperialistic world of Kaiserreich, he may not be an appropriate choice at all. If he is implemented in the scenario, and he is elected, then the Papal States should lose all of their core claims except for Rome itself. Of course there is absolutely nothing to indicate that dalla Costa would have chosen "Stephen" for his papal name... I went with it because of its ties to the simplicity of the Christian martyr in Acts.

Head of State:
Stephen X (Benevolent Gentleman)

Head of Government:
Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli (Naive Optimist)

Foreign Minister:
Eugène Cardinal Tisserant (Biased Intellectual)

Minister of Security:
Eugène Cardinal Tisserant (Crime Fighter)

* * *
-I'd wager that Pacelli would still be the Secretary of State (HoG), and he'd still have the potential to keep holding all the other positions in the cabinet.
-Tisserant is only an added option under this cabinet; all of the other ministers from Pacelli/Pius XII's cabinet should also be options still, minus Mother Pasqualina. The only thing is that Tisserant supported dalla Costa, and he felt Pacelli was a major step backwards from Pius XI. As such, Tisserant should probably be slept as potential minister unless the papacy falls to dalla Costa, or unless it falls to...


Option 3: Angelo Giuseppe (John XXIII) - Leftist Outcome
Historically, this was highly unlikely. Giuseppe would eventually become pope after Pius XII, but this was much later on. Still, he was considered a major reformer, initiating the Second Vatican Council (often just called Vatican II). Perhaps, in an alternative universe where atheistic Communism has been hunted dead, he could have been an upset in the conclave elections. Though Giuseppe was not even a cardinal at this time, there was nothing in Vatican law to prevent him from being elected--it was just highly improbable.

Head of State:
John XXIII (Social Democrat) (Die-hard Reformer)

Head of Government:
Eugène Cardinal Tisserant (Social Democrat) (Silent Workhorse)

* * *
-Other ministers might have to be recreated in Social Democrat form to give the government more maneuverability.

Option 4: Theodor Cardinal Innitzer (Gregory XVII) - Ultrarightist Outcome
This is probably the best choice for your scenario. Innitzer was Archbishop of Vienna, and he's taken a lot of flak in real life for his closeness with Dolfuss's Austrofascist state, to the extent that Pius XI and Pacelli had to publically deny some of the statements he made and reprimand him. In a different world, where a Habsburg Austrian empire has liberated the Papacy from the Italian Republic that held them hostage, perhaps an Austrian pope would not have been that far-fetched. I was originally thinking his name should be Julius IV, in tribute to the warrior Pope Julius II. The name "Julius", however, is probabaly too Italian-sounding for your scenario. :( I'm thinking Gregory now, primarily because Gregory V was the first German pope, and this new order would probably bring about a Papacy no longer dominated by Italians.

Head of State:
Gregory XVII (Fascist) (Ruthless Powermonger)

Head of Government:
Gregory XVII (Fascist) (Flamboyant Tough Guy)

Foreign Minister:
??? (Fascist) (Iron-fisted Brute)

Minister of Security:
??? (Fascist) (Prince of Terror)

-Though I'm not sure who'd fill the positions, there should probably be an Iron-fisted Brute and a Prince of Terror. Maybe a Nationalist Spanish bishop, or our good friend Josef Tiso...
 
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Gen.Schuermann said:
i can only imagine recon blimps, as one shot of a bullet should set the whole thing to flames. *cough* Hindenburg *cough*. Btw, does anyone know how high these things can go? if they can reach heights up to 10-15 km, they would be even suitable for largescale bombings. However, these things gotta be huge and might not prove to be very useful (very big -> easy to spot -> easy to shoot -> uberexpensive -> a bomber can do better, can it?)

Although, you might want to make Zeppelins like flying fortresses, psychedelic parallel world 1920s style (aka sky captain or the Kirov design of Command and Conquer Red Alert 2) :D :D

I'd imagine that a plane would obviously be much better for relatively short-range bombing, but a Zeppelin (at very high altitudes and probably with some form of escort) would be the only conceivable means to conduct a intercontinental bombing raid early in the scenario.

Additionally, on the social-cultural level ( :D ), investment in commercial zeppelins is probably going to have increased massively in the post-war years, because of the German economic take off, because Germans are going to be travelling around the world a great deal, and because of the intrinsic 'prestige' and 'German-ness' of the Zeppelin as a mode of transport. And because Germany has a global economic reach, it isn't going to have the same fuel-purchasing problems that it did in real-life, so they may be slightly safer, without Hindenburg disaster style problems (at least at the start, of course - if the German player wants to scrimp on state subsidies, the Zeppelin companies may need to resort to cheaper fuels, with corresponding risks....).

So, with lots of Zeppelins being used anyway, and a lot of money going into Zeppelin development, it's not inconceivable that German military planners would want to find some use for them. Say, if they decide that they may need to bomb New York at some point...
 
Exterous said:
On a slightly different topic: Bug reports

-"Kingdom of spain had EVT_322_NAME"
-There is an USA AI swtich that causes an error (but not a crash) just after the formation of either Texas or California
-3 plays through as a hands off Haiti game, 3 US dows on california and 3 game crashes immidiatly after
-error: (unknown government position in scenario file (minister)) 'position = tag' Line = 463221 file = scenarios\save......" <- also got that in the 3 games as Haiti when I tried to reload the savegame (didn't have anyproblems loading the scenario or playing it through, just couldn't load a savegame or autosave)

Many thanks for this!

1) Is known about - the Spanish events (should they even fire?) and Austrian events don't have proper names or descriptions yet, even they seem to fire okay.

2) There seems to be a problem with these declaration of war events which cause a crash - if it's happening a couple of days after I'm assuming it's down to AI loading, so I'll look into this.

3) Problem identified and fixed - it's down to a typo in the SPD ministers file, which will make any savegame made with the current alpha unusable!

To fix it, you need to go into the 'db\ministers\ddr.csv', and change the two 'Headofgovernment' entries (I think they're Kautsky and Wells) to 'Head of Government.'
 
Berlichingen said:
Each land reseacher should reflect the two sides of the German General Staff, Mackensen represents the old guard, Guderian the new guard, via events Manstien and others can be added as tech teams, etc. But Manstien wouldn't have enough prominance yet to be valid for a tech team. :)

Many thanks, this is very good! I especially like the idea of 'waking' and 'sleeping' German tech-teams depending on who is in charge/influential in the army/U06 country!

Something similar could also probably be done with the economic faction, IHK-Mitteleuropa, waking and sleeping industrial teams depending on what course of action they choose to go down...
 
CCurio said:
We should also have Mechas instead of Mech Infantry. :p

ROFL, I just got a mental image of a german mecha with rough WWII-ish looks and with 88-mm guns instead of arms and a Nebelwerfer on it's shoulders. :rofl:

Ah, but these would have to be the Kaiser's mechas, which would be designed to look suitably Prussian!
So, they'd have Pickelhauben, would march around like German soldiers on the parade ground and have giant speakers playing gramapohone recordings of 'Heil dir im Siegerkranz' to raise troop morale!
 
Passivocalia said:
Hey guys. Here are some ideas for historical and ahistorical Vatican ministers and minister events... see what you like and what you think needs tinkering. :)
...

-Though I'm not sure who'd fill the positions, there should probably be an Iron-fisted Brute and a Prince of Terror. Maybe a Nationalist Spanish bishop, or our good friend Josef Tiso...

:D Brilliant brilliant brilliant! Many thanks - I will search for and make pictures of these people forthwith (and possibly even write the election event by the next alpha, which shouldn't be too tricky...). So, if these are mixed with the more conservative/autocrat vanilla Italian ministers, and a couple of new Royal/Ducal leaders, the North Italian file should be done.

Italian-sounding names for Popes are actually fine for this scenario. As they're technically the 'Italian President' as well as direct ruler of the reconstituted Papal State ('of the Italian Federation'), they're going to need to promote their connection to the nation quite strongly - particularly if they're from Austria!

You're non-political candidate (Elia Cardinal dalla Costa/Stephen X), would probably reflect the Papacy renouncing its position as the Italian Head of State, and a new Constitutional setup for ITA being organised with Josef Ferdinand von Österreich-Toskana (can anyone Italianise this name as well?), the legitimate Grand Duke of Tuscany, taking up a position as the new King of Italy.

Also, I'm thinking Pius XI's real death in 1939 might be a bit late for the Vatican Conclave to choose the next Pope - so, he might need to be retired or gotten rid of a year or two earlier...

And I completely forgot about Tiso! It's probably better to keep him in Slovakia though, where he can act as the focus of national Slovak resistance to Hungarian rule...
 
Berlichingen said:
Here is partial de-nazification of the German techteams.

I lowered Werner von Braun and Hiesenburg's skill each by 2, to represent their lack of funding they would recieve, but I left them in for now. I got rid of Kriegsmarinewerft, Porsche, Donitz, Raeder, Georing, and Manstein in addition to the air teams.

The gothaer picture had a mistypo when I took the shot, but its fixed now, I'll add a few more and tune some the stats before giving them to you guys to add to your game files.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9846/techteams10eu.jpg

Hmmmm, Germany should propably have more focus on navy and less on land and air...skill 8 seems really high for an old guard guy like Mackensen...
 
Berlichingen said:
Here is partial de-nazification of the German techteams.

I lowered Werner von Braun and Hiesenburg's skill each by 2, to represent their lack of funding they would recieve, but I left them in for now. I got rid of Kriegsmarinewerft, Porsche, Donitz, Raeder, Georing, and Manstein in addition to the air teams.

To be honest of Heisenberg had any less funding for his project than he had in reality, there would've been hardly any nuclear research at all. Nuclear research was completely limited to nuclear energy production, and as the war progressed this became less and less important compared to other fields.

In the game, I'd say the question of appropriate funding is decided by what the player chooses to research, Heisenberg was one of the best minds in physics of that time, and I don't see why this should be any different in this timelime. If you give him the funds (i.e. that research slot) I don't think he should be less effective than in vanilla.

Just my 2 cents, but then as a german and a physicist to be maybe I'm a little bit biased on that topic *g*
 
CCurio said:
Hmmmm, Germany should propably have more focus on navy and less on land and air...skill 8 seems really high for an old guard guy like Mackensen...

Mmmm, possibly right about Mackensen. And definitely need quite a few battleship and martime focussed tech-teams - although I believe Berlichingen PM-ed me a few of these quite a while ago, and I don't think I've implemented them yet...
 
CCurio said:
Hmmmm, Germany should propably have more focus on navy and less on land and air...skill 8 seems really high for an old guard guy like Mackensen...

I agree, something around 4 would be better. remember that the Military (I believe) is going to be fairly stuck in its ways early on. Of course depending on the choices you make, which wakes other tech teams later (good idea btw) that could change.

Love the Vatican stuff, can't wait to see it implemented. :D
Ayeshteni
 
-Delta- said:
To be honest of Heisenberg had any less funding for his project than he had in reality, there would've been hardly any nuclear research at all. Nuclear research was completely limited to nuclear energy production, and as the war progressed this became less and less important compared to other fields.

In the game, I'd say the question of appropriate funding is decided by what the player chooses to research, Heisenberg was one of the best minds in physics of that time, and I don't see why this should be any different in this timelime. If you give him the funds (i.e. that research slot) I don't think he should be less effective than in vanilla.

Just my 2 cents, but then as a german and a physicist to be maybe I'm a little bit biased on that topic *g*

Yes, that definitely seems reasonable - so the general lack of funding for nuclear research could be reflected by cutting back Germany's nuclear techs at the beginning.

Also, I'm not actually sure who in this timeline is going to have the resources or the inclination to build up a major nuclear programme. The only realistic candidates would be the USA or Germany, although I suppose that a Russia, Canada or France which devoted almost all of its resources to nuclear research might be able to get a bomb by the late 1940s...

And with the way I'm planning things, the level of conflict is going to be a bit different to the vanilla game - eg. lots of regional wars probably coalescing into a series of major conflicts, rather than the three-way ideological / continental struggle that you have in regular HOI2. So, the sort of desire/perceived need for a weapon of total destruction would probably not be as high as in real life.
 
T-hiddemen said:
Hi Sarmy

Do you want me to do the Papal leader pics? That could free up your time for other things . . .

If you can (and also have enough time to actually find all of these people - :) !), that would be a very big help, and mean that I can start trying to get my head properly around the AI system!
 
T-hiddemen said:
Hi Sarmy

Do you want me to do the Papal leader pics? That could free up your time for other things . . .

Big T! You can find all the cardinals on this site: http://www.fiu.edu/~mirandas/gallery.htm

As for the Swiss Guard commandants... well... good luck!

Sarmatia1871 said:
Italian-sounding names for Popes are actually fine for this scenario. As they're technically the 'Italian President' as well as direct ruler of the reconstituted Papal State ('of the Italian Federation'), they're going to need to promote their connection to the nation quite strongly - particularly if they're from Austria!

Oh. In that case I CERTAINLY recommend "Julius IV" as our militant-expansionist Pope's name. I hope it's not too bad that he is Austrian... it's hard to find many Italian cardinals who loudly sympathized with Italian fascism, considering that it was Italy and all. Perhaps Pacelli and Innitzer can be the two main candidates in your scenario, with few differences between the two; this is the way I plan to make Pacelli and dalla Costa in the Vaticanized standard game.

Also, I'm thinking Pius XI's real death in 1939 might be a bit late for the Vatican Conclave to choose the next Pope - so, he might need to be retired or gotten rid of a year or two earlier...

Well, you could do a retirement event. But an assassination event is so much more fun.. :D

EDIT: And assassination would give basis for an even more militant policy shift--though I take it that the Papacy might be considerably militant already in this timeline.
 
The techteams aren't fully done yet, but I'll look into what you guys been saying.

I'll make it your call, do you want Hiessenburg and Von Braun still as teams or no?

I'm also removing rocketry from Schuckert and giving it to Henschel, who was quite a diverse company, built tanks, including Tigers, aircraft, rocket engines, etc, its a "jack of all trades" team for the germans, with lots of specialties but moderate skill.

I'm also thinking about these new techteams:

- Vulcan AG (new german naval tech team, specializes in surface vessels their third)
- I'm also thinking about a more abstract concept of a "Old Guard" team and a "New Guard team, that are slept and waked via events the player chooses, so in a more abstract way we can represent a far larger amount of people. Mackensen was far from untalented, giving him a low score seems unfair, but he probably would be old-guardish, so a low score is necessary for game-purposes.
- Also will keep Rottweiler Pulverbafrik, a large munitions company that operate in germany and foreign countries before and during WWI for many germany-aligned countries, like Rottweiler Pulverfabrik - Bulgarien,etc. Its also in the 1914 mod, as I did some techteams for them as well.
- Considering replacing Udet (wasn't he pretty fascist?) with a more "acceptable" tech team.
- Many of the values will be tinkered around, so don't worry.
 
Suggestions for the centroamerica flag...

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The star is a placeholder...it could be replaced with whatever becomes the Syndicalist symbol...

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It seems that I am well in touch with my inner anarchist. :rofl:

Sadly my work on the communard flags isn't progressing that much...it seems that I am not so well in touch with my inner radical socialist. *sigh*