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    Regions of medieval Europe

    I work on a project of topography of medieval Europe + N.Africa + the Near East
    http://www.rome.webz.cz/index.htm

    at the moment I have done some parts of Europe, but it all needs further work, if anyone has any interesting maps that could help me, it would be nice if you would send them to me.

    I plan this map to be a ultimate source for the developers of medieval strategy games based on conquering territorries like Paradox games and Knights of Honor

    right now I am collecting maps to make the map with all the regions throughout middle ages (generaly 800-1492) and when this will be finnished, I will make 3 - 5 maps corresponding the major eras of midle ages

    Here is range of the map as I plan it now:


    and the current stage of the map
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    Yeah, I love historical maps! Gimme more!
    Btw here's one other I've scanned some time ago. Not very realistic though...
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    I'm collecting maps to create one big map of historical territories of Europe and the Mediterranean through middle ages, so if I find some more not so well known and not linked often, I will post them here.

    I believe my map when finnished could serve as source for medieval strategy games like Crusader kings or Knights of Honor.

    Right now I have almost finnished Western (France, Spain, Low Lands) and Central Europe (HRE, Bohemia, Poland, Italy) and am working on Middle east (actually finnished: Byzantine emp, Armenia)
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    What about Eastern Europe? And what's the period?
    I'll look for all the digital maps (scanned or not) I have and know and will post them here - for you (if they might help in some way) and for everybody. It would be interesting to have a thread filled with historical maps...
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    Here is another one


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    I have just finished 2 maps of historical regions in France and HRE

    France is made on a base of map of 12th century, HRE on a basis of map of 1378...
    France

    regions:
    Bretagne
    1 - Léon
    2 - Cornouaille
    3 - Penthievre
    4 - Rohan
    5 - Vannes
    6 - Rais
    7 - Nantes
    8 - Rennes
    Anjou
    1 - Anjou
    2 - Tourainne
    3 - Vendome
    4 - Maine
    Normandie
    sub-regions: Normandy, Perche

    1 - Perche
    2 - Alencon
    3 - Mortain
    4 - Avranches
    5 - Coutances
    6 - Bayeux
    7 - Lisieux
    8 - Evreux
    9 - Rouen
    10 - Caux
    11 - Eu
    Artois et Picardie
    sub-refions: Artois, Picardy

    1 - Ponthieu (belongs to Picardy, not Artois)
    2 - Boulogne
    3 - Guines
    4 - Saint Pol
    5 - Arras
    6 - Amiens
    7 - Beauvais
    8 - Valois
    9 - Soissons
    10 - Vermandois
    Champagne
    1 - Laon
    2 - Roucy
    3 - Porcien
    4 - Rethel
    5 - Reims
    6 - Chalons
    7 - Langres
    8 - Champagne
    Ille-de-France
    sub-regions: Ille de France, Gatinais

    1 - Sens
    2 - Courtennay
    3 - Gatinais
    4 - Beauce=Orleanois
    5 - Paris
    Blois et Berry
    sub-regions: Blois, Berry

    1 - Vexin
    2 - Dreux
    3 - Chartres
    4 - Blois
    5 - Chateauroux
    Berry (forgot borderline between Chateauroux and Berry...)
    6 - Bourbon
    7 - Bourges
    8 - Sancerre
    Bourgogne
    1 - Auxerre
    2 - Nivernais
    3 - Bourgogne
    4 - Beaujeu
    5 - Chalon
    France-Comté/county of Burgundy
    1 - Franche-Comté
    Savoie
    1 - Savoie
    2 - Geneve
    Dauphiné (or Lower Burgundy)
    sub-regions: Dauphiny, Lyonais

    1 - Lyonnais
    2 - Forez
    3 - Albon
    4 - Viviers
    5 - Valence
    6 - Orange
    7 - Vennaisin
    8 - Forcalouier
    9 - Dauphiné
    Provence
    1 - Nice
    2 - Provence
    Languedoc
    sub-regions: Languedoc, Tolouse

    1 - Nimes
    2 - Uzés
    3 - Melgueil
    4 - Narbonne
    5 - Beziers
    6 - Rouergue
    7 - Albigeois
    8 - Carcassonne
    9 - Foix
    10 - Tolouse
    11 - Quercy
    Auvergne
    1 - Gevaudan
    2 - Velay
    3 - Auvergne
    Aquitaine
    sub-regions: Poitou, Guyenne, Gascony

    1 - Montaigu
    2 - Thouars
    3 - Poitou
    4 - Lusignan
    5 - La Marche
    6 - Limousin
    7 - Périgord
    8 - Angouleme
    9 - Aunis
    10 - Saintonge
    11 - Bordeaux
    12 - Buch
    13 - Bazardais
    14 - Agenais
    15 - Auch
    16 - Cominges
    17 - Couserans
    18 - Bigorre
    19 - Armagnac
    20 - Tursan
    21 - Bayonne
    22 - Béarn

    total of 15 regions
    23 sub-regions
    110 counties


    Holy Roman Empire (territories norh of Alps)


    Friesland
    sub-regions: Holland, Friesland
    1 - Holland
    2 - Utrecht
    3 - West Friesland
    4 - Deventer
    5 - East Friesland
    Saxony
    sub-regions: Lower Saxony, Westphalia,, Ostphalia, Braunschweig, Upper Saxony
    1 - Oldenburg
    2 - Lower Saxony
    3 - Bremen
    4 - Hoya
    5 - Minden
    6 - Osnabrück
    7 - Tecklenburg
    8 - Münster
    9 - Mark
    10 - Westphalia
    11 - Paderborn
    12 - Lippe
    13 - Hildesheim
    14 - Götingen
    15 - Heiligenstadt
    16 - Anhalt
    17 - Upper Saxony
    18 - Magdeburg
    19 - Halberstadt
    20 - Wolfenbüttel
    21 - Lüneburg
    22 - Verden
    Schleswig and Holstein
    sub-regions: Schleswig, Holstein
    1 - Hamburg
    2 - Holstein
    3 - Schleswig
    4 - Lübeck
    Mecklenburg
    1 - Schwerin
    2 - Güstrow
    Pomerania
    1 - Stralsund
    2 - Rügen
    3 - Stettin
    4 - Kolberg
    Brandenburg
    1 - Neumark
    2 - Mittelmark
    3 - Altmark
    Lusatia
    1 - Lower Lusatia
    2 - Upper Lusatia
    Meissen
    1 - Dohna
    2 - Meissen
    3 - Pliessnerland
    4 - Vogtland
    (5 - Merdeburg in the right upper corner of Meissen, I forgot to draw the line...)
    Thuringia
    1 - Thuringia
    2 - Schwarzburg
    Franconia
    sub-regions: East Franconia, West Franconia, Hesse
    1 -
    2 - Bamberg
    Coburg (upper half of 2 - Bamberg)
    3 - Würzburg
    4 - Hohenlohe
    5 - Heilbronn
    6 - Pfalz/Palatinate
    7 - Speyer
    8 - Sponheim
    9 - Mainz/Mayence
    10 - Frankfurt
    11 - Fulda
    12 - Hessen
    13 - Marburg
    14 - Nassau
    Lower Lotharingia
    sub-regions: Rheinland, Gelderland, Lower Lotharingia, Luxemburg
    1 - Berg
    2 - Köln/Cologne
    3 - Jülich
    4 - Limburg
    5 - Geldern
    6 - Cleve
    7 - Zupthen
    8 - Zeeland
    9 - Brabant
    10 - Hennegau/Hainaut
    11 - Namur
    12 - Luttych/Liege
    13 - Luxemburg
    14 - Trier
    Lorraine
    1 - Verdun
    2 - Metz
    3 - Toul
    4 - Lorraine
    County of Burgundy
    1 - County of Burgundy/Franche-Comté
    Upper/Little Burgundy
    1 - Vaud
    2 - Chablais
    3 - Valais
    4 - Fribourg
    5 - Basel
    6 - Bern
    7 - Aargau
    Swabia
    sub-regions: Alsace, Swabia, Schwytz
    1 - Sundgau
    2 - Colmar
    3 - Nordgau
    4 - Hagenau
    5 - Baden
    6 - Breisgau
    7 - Würtemberg
    8 - Burgau
    9 - Swabia
    Hohenberg (between Breigsau, Baden and Würtemberg)
    10 - Thürgau
    11 - Zürich
    12 - Waldstäte
    13 - Grisons/Chur
    Tyrolia
    1 - Trent
    2 - Tyrolia
    Carinthia
    sub-regions: Carinthia, Carnolia, Styria
    1 - Carinthia
    2 - Carnolia
    3 - Styria
    Austria
    1 - Austria
    2 - Schaumberg
    Bavaria
    sub-regions: Salzburg, Bavaria, Upper Palatinate
    1 - Salzburg
    2 - Bavaria-München
    3 - Augsburg
    4 - Bavaria-Landshut
    5 - Passau
    6 - Bavaria Straubing
    7 - Upper Palatinate
    8 - Nürnberg
    9 - Nordgau
    10 - Egerland
    Bohemia
    sub-regions: Bohemia, Kladsko
    1 - Bohemia
    2 - Kladsko/Glatz
    Moravia
    1 - Moravia
    2 - Opava
    Silesia
    sub-regions: Upper Silesia Lower Silesia
    1 - Těšín/Czieszyn
    2 - Zator
    3 - Bytom
    4 - Ratibor
    5 - Nysa
    6 - Opole/Oppeln
    7 - Brieg/Brzeg
    8 - Münsterberg
    9 - Schweidnitz/Svídnice
    10 - Breslau/Wroclav/Vratislav
    11 - Öls
    12 - Wolow
    13 - Liegnitz
    14 - Jawor
    15 - Zagan
    16 - Glogau


    total of 22 regions, 41 sub-regions, 141 "counties"
    Last edited by elvain; 28-01-2006 at 12:03.
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    Very, very nice elvain. And very, very useful. Nice color-coding.
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    I think the area around the Netherlands could use some adjustments.

    1.I would rename "West-Friesland" into just "Friesland". West-Friesland is what is on your map the north-eastern part of "Holland", it doesn't need a seperate county though.
    2.Zeeland needs to be inbetween Flanders and Holland, adjoining the coast.
    3.I would possibly rename "Deventer" into "Overijssel"

    I'll look for a map of medieval Netherlands.



    6 = Zeeland
    12 = Friesland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul Goatherd
    Very, very nice elvain. And very, very useful. Nice color-coding.
    Bah, he should be able to do them with only four colors .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcasey
    Bah, he should be able to do them with only four colors .
    Prove it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfihar
    Prove it!
    I don't have too; somebody already did .

    http://www.math.gatech.edu/~thomas/FC/fourcolor.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcasey
    Bah, he should be able to do them with only four colors .
    hehe

    but it would have no sense then.. except proving it is possible (what certainly is)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alfihar
    I think the area around the Netherlands could use some adjustments.

    1.I would rename "West-Friesland" into just "Friesland". West-Friesland is what is on your map the north-eastern part of "Holland", it doesn't need a seperate county though.
    2.Zeeland needs to be inbetween Flanders and Holland, adjoining the coast.
    3.I would possibly rename "Deventer" into "Overijssel"

    I'll look for a map of medieval Netherlands.



    6 = Zeeland
    12 = Friesland

    Taken from this page.
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    And

    http://russia.nypl.org/

    NYPL (Russia and Tartaria) maybe suitable for your purpose

    Enjoy!
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    thanks, MRAKoris

    there are some really nice maps
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    Quote Originally Posted by elvain
    Schleswig and Holstein
    sub-regions: Schleswig, Holstein
    1 - Hamburg
    2 - Holstein
    3 - Lübeck
    4 - Schleswig
    Just a small correction - Lübeck and Schleswig should be switched here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elvain
    Holy Roman Empire (territories norh of Alps)


    Friesland
    sub-regions: Holland, Friesland
    1 - Holland
    2 - Utrecht
    3 - West Friesland
    4 - Deventer
    5 - East Friesland
    Lower Lotharingia
    sub-regions: Rheinland, Gelderland, Lower Lotharingia, Luxemburg
    1 - Berg
    2 - Köln/Cologne
    3 - Jülich
    4 - Limburg
    5 - Geldern
    6 - Cleve
    7 - Zupthen
    8 - Zeeland
    9 - Brabant
    10 - Hennegau/Hainaut
    11 - Namur
    12 - Luttych/Liege
    13 - Luxemburg
    14 - Trier
    Together with what Alfihar already said about the low countries, some minor comments:
    -Utrecht you may want to call "Sticht", which is the name of the region/county, Utrecht is the name of the bishopric which ruled it.
    -Deventer I would call Oversticht. Deventer is just the main city during the Hanze days, while the area itself was semi-ruled (officially he was the lord, but due to the area in between his influence was very limited at times) by the bishop of Utrecht.
    -Geldern and Zutphen (blue 5 and 7) dont sound right to me. 7 is definately Geldern, 5 looks like Limburg (both were counties)
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