The rocket technology is open again for all. Barbarossa has top priority and the next version will see Germany actually having a break in winter (the event was bugged). The Soviets will also build lots of infantry and we will see, if this is enough.Originally Posted by Marlborough
Thanks Panther, look forward to it.
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39' engeer regt. won't open I'm into mid 42' what research is needed. I like the new teck trees Checked UK, and Germany, neither of them have it eather.
I have a question : does the latest HIP changed the USSR chain of events modifying the GDE ? Or does it actually use the 1.3b file ? Because it seems there is a problem somewhere :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...d.php?t=227284
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I'm Loving this mod:
Seems that :
application = { # Engineer Regiment '36
id = 2550
needs
required = { 1020 }
Which is:
application = { # Marine '40 Division
id = 1020
And
application = { # Engineer Regiment '39
id = 2560
needs
required = { 1030 2550 }
I cannot find a tech 1030.
application = { # Engineer Regiment '43
id = 2570
needs
required = { 1040 2560 }
1040 is
application = { # Infantry '18 Division
id = 1040
application = { # Engineer Regiment '47
id = 2580
Needs
required = { 1050 2570 }
1050 is
application = { # Infantry '35 Division
id = 1050
If I may:
Code:application = { # Engineer Regiment '36 id = 2550 name = TECH_APP_ARMOR_55_NAME desc = TECH_APP_ARMOR_55_DESC position = { x = 441 y = 2 } year = 1936 component = { # Early Flamethrowers id = 2551 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_55_1_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 2 } component = { # Basic Land Mines id = 2552 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_55_2_NAME type = chemistry difficulty = 2 } component = { # Portable Military Bridge id = 2553 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_55_3_NAME type = general_equipment difficulty = 2 } component = { # Mine Clearing Equipment id = 2554 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_55_4_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 3 } component = { # Basic satchel charge id = 2555 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_55_5_NAME type = artillery difficulty = 2 } required = { 1050 } # Was 1020 HIP 37 /1050 is Infantry Division '35 effects = { command = { type = activate_unit_type which = engineer } command = { type = new_model which = engineer value = 0 } } } application = { # Engineer Regiment '39 id = 2560 name = TECH_APP_ARMOR_56_NAME desc = TECH_APP_ARMOR_56_DESC position = { x = 441 y = 18 } year = 1939 component = { # Basic Flamethrowers id = 2561 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_56_1_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 2 } component = { # Construction equipment id = 2562 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_56_2_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 2 } component = { # Amphibious Crossing Equipment id = 2563 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_56_3_NAME type = general_equipment difficulty = 3 } component = { # Improved Mine Clearing Equipment id = 2564 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_56_4_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 4 } component = { # Shaped Charge Explosives id = 2565 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_56_5_NAME type = artillery difficulty = 2 } required = { 1060 2550 } # Was 1030 in HIP 37 / 160 is Infantry '38 effects = { command = { type = new_model which = engineer value = 1 } command = { type = scrap_model which = engineer value = 0 } } } application = { # Engineer Regiment '43 id = 2570 name = TECH_APP_ARMOR_57_NAME desc = TECH_APP_ARMOR_57_DESC position = { x = 441 y = 34 } year = 1943 component = { # Improved Flamethrowers id = 2571 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_57_1_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 2 } component = { # Improved Anti-Tank Mines id = 2572 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_57_2_NAME type = chemistry difficulty = 3 } component = { # Armored Construction Equipment id = 2573 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_57_3_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 4 } component = { # Improved satchel and demolition explosives id = 2574 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_57_4_NAME type = chemistry difficulty = 2 } component = { # Floating bridges and mobile ferrying equipment id = 2575 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_57_5_NAME type = general_equipment difficulty = 3 } required = { 1070 2560 } # Was 1040 in HIP 37 / 1070 is Inf Div '42 effects = { command = { type = new_model which = engineer value = 2 } command = { type = scrap_model which = engineer value = 1 } } } application = { # Engineer Regiment '47 id = 2580 name = TECH_APP_ARMOR_58_NAME desc = TECH_APP_ARMOR_58_DESC position = { x = 441 y = 50 } year = 1947 component = { # Advanced Flamethrowers id = 2581 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_58_1_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 3 } component = { # Advanced antipersonnel and antitank mines id = 2582 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_58_2_NAME type = chemistry difficulty = 4 } component = { # Improved vehicles and construction equipment id = 2583 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_58_3_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 5 } component = { # Improved floating and mobile bridging equipment id = 2584 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_58_4_NAME type = general_equipment difficulty = 4 } component = { # Tankdozers and specialised combat engineer vehicles id = 2585 name = TECH_CMP_ARMOR_58_5_NAME type = mechanics difficulty = 5 } required = { 1090 2570 } # was 1050 in HIP 37 / 1090 is Inf Div '46 effects = { command = { type = new_model which = engineer value = 3 } command = { type = scrap_model which = engineer value = 2 } }
"Vietnam presumably taught us that the United States could not serve as the world's policeman; it should also have taught us the dangers of trying to be the world's midwife to democracy when the birth is scheduled to take place under conditions of guerrilla war."
But since we try...
"We field a first half team against an enemy that insists on keeping score until the end of the game." Thomas PM Barnett
Barnett Brief at TED
A bug, requires a non-existent tech. I will upload a fixed file, simply replace the file and you can continue saved games.HIP uses another independent system, which is working fine. In the next version the amount of the reduction will be decreased, about cut in half.
Lightsfantastic,
exactly, I have changed that.
Last edited by Panther II; 08-01-2006 at 13:03.
Great job on those damage ships. One more requiest for US could you consider to move the Jan 1941 14% increase in spending to Jan 1940 have a trigger with that would build 2X2 of the North Carilona's, the rest figthers\bombers in a run through 1941, that would make it closer to reality. An still kept the AI from building divisions. You are really doing a great job Panther II.
I have raised starting industrial_modifier for USA from 8.5 to 9.5, taken away from the 1941 increase, which is now only 7.5. It is a bit more now, though not the full amount, because of the consumer goods need. Give me some feedback, if this is enough.
I don't want to soften the gear up system too much. All other majors can live with their starting modifier and only UK and USA get this early bonus.
After playing a "get accustomed to HIP" game as the US with V 0.36, I started a Japan game (V 0.37) to get the feel of how the combat system works. I also was going for a historical IJA build, ie, Infantry Divisions with brigades, no Cavalry Divisions except the starting ones (Japan had no cavalry tradition historically), no Armor until after 1940 (I will have to break that rule) Half of the resources go to the IJN, Manchuko Army stays in Manchuria, Japanese Manchuko Garrisons stay there, Korea Gun stays in Korea, keep a Home Army of at least 8 infantry Divisions, etc.
The 2nd Sino-Japanese War begin.
Combat feels just right. No more blitzing right through Shanxi, fights take anywhere from a few days to a month with the AI reinforceing. Only my divisional quality and close support/interdiction keeps the fight moving in my favor. The CHI AI even counterattacked against an attacking force from another area, stopping my Northern offensive cold and retaking ground.
China also pulled their coastal garrisons (sending all available divisions to contain the Japan's Northern Offensive. Luckily I had an Amphibious force of 1 Marine Div, 1 HQ 2 Semi Mot Inf Divisons, 2 Mountain Divisions, and 5 Infantry Divisions, ready fo just such an eventuality and landed at Shanghai (Japan historically had been fighting the Chinese in Shanghai since the War started, just kind of hard to mod that.) Landings went ok, expanded the bridgehead, then the Chinese counterattack at Wuhu just stopped me cold. They hit me from four sides and there was just no way I could airstrike them enough to stop all of the Chinese Hordes. I eventually did, but my army was in no shape to continue. Even the "Mobilized Divisions" via event just couldn't meet the demand of two simultaneous offensives until winter halted military operations. So here is where things stand in towards the end of February 1938.
I know I should just pull my Shanghai Bridgehead out and shift them North to maximize my striking power, but my 'Japanese Honor' forbids me to give up ground once it is seized.
Overall impressions.
Limited economy really immerses the player in the stuggles of what to build and when to build it. Limited supplies forces one to limit unit builds to realistic and supportable levels. Instead of the usual outproduce and bulldoze the other side of a Vanilla game, a comprehensive grand strategy is needed.
A Very Impressive Mod.
Lights
"Vietnam presumably taught us that the United States could not serve as the world's policeman; it should also have taught us the dangers of trying to be the world's midwife to democracy when the birth is scheduled to take place under conditions of guerrilla war."
But since we try...
"We field a first half team against an enemy that insists on keeping score until the end of the game." Thomas PM Barnett
Barnett Brief at TED
Yes, you are really in trouble, if don't send everything, you have, to China. You can defeat the Chinese warlords, but because your infantry models are not that much better, you have to suffer big losses.
In my last game Japanese IC was tight, but I could build the historic/necessary units. Japan's time comes in 1944, when they realized, that they had to spend way more. 41 to 43 were they really driving on a very low gear compared to other countries.
One more note, the Kuomintang IC is balanced for historic performance, like loosing Shanghai, Kanton and major industrial areas. If they don't loose that, they are quite strong and also have many tech teams.
Last edited by Panther II; 09-01-2006 at 04:56.
This is the best I've ever seen the US ever in HIP between 1936 to 1941 the time frame for the capital ship are great. The screens for both US, and UK, in this time frame are weak [ that is there is no IC to build them]. That was great changing the modifier. I still think in 1940 is to weak. It's been a while since I played the UK, remenber them being a little to tight in 37' an 38'. The bug fix worked great. I do remenber in my last game as Germany looking at UK, and US the AI doesn't like to build the treaty battleships I don't know If a trigger could be put in to work more on ships an away from divisions, Iowa's and Vanguard should be put in that to if it could be done . Otherwise it's the best I've seen.
You have to try, it is 1 percent more every year until 1940. Plus IC growth, that can be a lot.
I need to look into the AI BBs production. That was reduced some time ago to make the US AI grow its air and land forces faster. They are very expensive and if the AI has a certain percentage of its forces for them, it might be screwed in terms of production. Let's say 2%, then if the AI will loose all its BBs, it will start new builds, that of course then hurt other items. But for the US and the UK maybe an event like for the Yamato series makes sense, so they start building it once, but not a second time.
An event for all should not be a problem.
Iowa, model_4, 01.07.1939, 22.02.1943
New Jersey, model_4, 01.07.1939, 23.05.1943
Missouri, model_4, 12.06.1940, 11.06.1944
Wisconsin, model_4, 12.06.1940, 16.04.1944
Vanguard, model_?, 02.10.1941, 09.08.1946
Did you mean more (laid down, commissioned)?
Last edited by Panther II; 09-01-2006 at 12:38.
Laid down; event sounds great both these nations were naval powers they built a lot of ships. The AI builds to many divisions to early for these nations.
I got a super-duper computer last week, so I thought I'd try out your mod. (Went too slow on the old one.) I wanted to do a hands-off game to see how it went, so I used Cuba. I used fog of war off, which was dumb, but I did notice that combat seems to have slowed down substantially: Germany didn't conquer Poland until the 2nd week of November. When I stopped playing in mid-June, the Germans were six weeks into their invasion of France, and hadn't even conquered Belgium.
I'm not sure that the problem is that combat under vanilla HOI is too quick, it's that it's too bloodless: I've had any number of combats which were over almost instantaneously, but neither side suffered any appreciable losses, in either strength or organization. I think that's the key problem. Raising the organization and morale of both sides in order to force combat to take longer doesn't really solve the problem in an historical context: an invasion which took four weeks shouldn't have to take two and a half months.
It could be that my experience was unusual, but my guess is that it wasn't; making combat take longer is going to make the invasion of Poland and France take longer. And I'm not sure that you can really change combat so that it is more historical, that it actually represents what really happened (in terms of loss of organization and unit integrity), because I think that's pretty much hard-coded into the game.
So, a couple of questions: Does your combat system slow down combat to the point where it no longer reflects what actually happened in the early stages of the war? Is there anything that can be done to change that? (For example, modification of the doctrines to better reflect German superiority in the early stages? Changing GDE for allied countries in the early stages?)
I like the idea of more extended combat, because that did reflect the actual situation. I'm concerned that your system (and Starfire, etc.) goes too far in the opposite direction, and reflects actual combat in WWI more than WWII.
Again, that's based on playing one game, and it's not meant as a criticism, but more of a question.
This is under review, should be a bit shorter in the next version, because the Soviets attack earlier.I have seen something similar, but only once, when Germany is very slow to advance and French troops enter Belgium, then such a stalemate is possible.I "had" that view too a long time ago and was discussing that with Mithel/Starfire. The average distance between two provinces is maybe 200-300 km, when troops make that distance MANY battles are necessary, what justifies long combat. 5 hour combat and then advance 200 km at turbo speed is ridiculous. HIP will go along with Starfire on this in the future. And WW2 combat without air and armor support should be long. In HIP you can still get short combat, if you add both for your attack.Being able to defeat the Netherlands in 4 days is pointless compared to a more realistic Fall Gelb or Barbarossa combat. I am sure, that a human can do Fall Gelb in time in HIP. Poland is a bit harder, because of the VPs.Look at German losses and compare them to the WAY higher Allied losses. Germany is not too weak early on and has enough IC and technology to be powerful enough.
The org gain from land doctrines is in line again with vanilla. Because of the higher base org in HIP are doctrines not that powerful, though. According to my observations, should the German org lead be even smaller and Allies don't need a lower GDE.
HIP and Starfire want to review combat losses further and bring them even more in line with historic figures.
The speed issue was already discussed. HIP needs about 50% more time than vanilla for one game day, because of the many air and naval bases. Remove them and it will run even faster than vanilla. Combat stats will also be lowered by 33% in the next version, this will mean less calculations for the CPU and a small speed increase.
Last edited by Panther II; 10-01-2006 at 18:12.
Thanks for the effort with the installer for Noobs -- I downloaded the RAR file, and tried to load it into the HOI 2 folder - I got the following message:
"The file C:\pagefile.sys could not be opened."
I am running HOI 2, ver 1.3a plus hotfix plus 1.3b
Checked the HOI folder - HIP subfolder was inside plus the HIP exe - tried again with the same result.
ANY ideas??
Cheers
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- Winston Churchill
I don't really understand what you did but... I recently uploaded a fixed version. Are you using that one or the first?
I also don't really know what you mean by "and tried to load it into the HOI 2 folder". You don't extract the .rar into any HoI2 folder. You just extract it to, lets say your desktop, then you run the exe inside. the exe is not the mod, the exe is the installer. In the installer you're asked for the HoI2 directory.
If you do that the installer will install HIP in a \HIP\ subfolder. In that subfolder there will definately be no HIP.exe but a copied HOI2.exe
Best is you download the installer again to make sure you're using the latest version and try it again.
Game has loaded fine now -- Started the game in the 1936 GC and set the autosave function to Every Month -- come FEB 1 though, there was a "critical error in the EUG save file". The Ignore, Retry Continue buttons only led to a CTD.
Have you had any similar reports -- I am going to try for a manual save now and see what happens there.
BTW -- thanks for the prompt replies.....
Cheers
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- Winston Churchill
I see what might have caused this.
Usually games create the folder which contains the savegames if it doesn't exist yet.
The installer doesn't copy the savegame folder.
Maybe HOI2 has a problem if it isn't there.
But that is easy to fix. just create an empty folder called 'save games'
in your \HIP\scenarios\ folder.
If that works for you I'll include that in the installer and upload the changed version.
For all that encounter the same problem.. just create the folder, no need to reinstall or anything.
If that is really the cause then sorry for that inconvenience.
All games I've known so far had no problem with a missing savegame folder but simply created it when it was needed. Most games don't even have such a folder before you safe the first game.
HOI2 might be different. I haven't tried it yet but I have a strong feeling that this will solve the problem.
Yes - you are right, there was no save game folder in the Scenarios Folder. I put one in and the game saves manually now -- will have to try the auto save feature later today -- have to go to work now.
The only other thing I have noticed is that I cannot build factories in my core provinces as GER, when I right click on the province, the drop down menu has the build function greyed out. Is this WAD (working as designed) or can I only build with certain events???
Love the start-up battle maps....where did you get them??? I would like to see more...
Cheers
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