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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenby
    I think we agreed to the following formula:

    - Officers who die of natural causes or commit suicide should be given an appropriate death date.
    - Officers killed in action should be allowed to live until the end of the game.
    Did we agree that officers who were sacked for political reasons not specifically related to their performance in battle should also have death dates? (I'm thinking, for example, of the many superannuated French generals given the sack by Joffre in 1914)

    Also, would 'natural causes' include accidents? Or being on board a ship which runs into a minefield?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenT
    Did we agree that officers who were sacked for political reasons not specifically related to their performance in battle should also have death dates? (I'm thinking, for example, of the many superannuated French generals given the sack by Joffre in 1914)

    Also, would 'natural causes' include accidents? Or being on board a ship which runs into a minefield?
    We have given death dates to those officers who retired - von Moltke, septuagenarian Germans, for example, so officers sacked for incompetence, such as some of the fossilised French generals ought also to be given a death date too.

    'Natural causes' is probably not a particularly useful term - 'non-war related death' may be better! So whilst the instance of General Smith-Dorrien getting knocked down by a car would necessitate a death date, Lord Kitchener being drowned on board Hampshire as a result of hitting a German mine would not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuckergußgebäck
    Perhaps we should give them an event to sleep them?
    I suppose this would ensure that their deaths aren't inevitable, but the need for the writing of extra events may be somewhat vexing both for those who have to write them, and those who have to play and necessarily be informed that one of their officers has died every fifteen or twenty minutes.

    We may just assume that those who did die in the circumstances of old age or through suicide did so through God's will - perhaps the Almighty did not intend Samsonov to have the balls to confront the Tsar after Tannenberg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenby
    'Natural causes' is probably not a particularly useful term - 'non-war related death' may be better! So whilst the instance of General Smith-Dorrien getting knocked down by a car would necessitate a death date, Lord Kitchener being drowned on board Hampshire as a result of hitting a German mine would not.
    I'm not so sure about Kitchener. As I understand it, the reason so many people object to leader deaths is because they find it unrealistic to get a "this leader died on the battlefield" message if the leader in question isn't actually anywhere near the front line at the time.

    But Kitchener wasn't anywhere near the front line when he died - his death was just a random chance. Just as it would have been if he and Colonel FitzGerald had been taking tea on the lawn of Broome Park when a German Zeppelin jettisoned five tons of water ballast on their heads. A war-related death, yes, but one that could happen to anyone, anywhere.

    Although maybe instead of representing this with death dates, we should just have more random events like this one:
    Code:
    event = {
    	id = ???
    	random = yes
    	trigger = {
    		atwar = yes
    		}
    	}
    	name = "Accidental death of a leader"
    	desc = "Onr of our senior officers has met with a tragic accident. 
     	He will be sadly missed."
    	picture = "comander_assasinated"
    	style = 0
    
    	action_a = {
    			name = "Oh no!"
    			command = { type = sleepleader which = -1 }
    	}
    }

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    Corrections to the Serbian leader list

    New generals:

    Kondic Vladimir rank 2
    Milijic Ljubomir rank 2
    Milisavljevic Miroslav rank 2
    Popovic Damjan rank 3
    Solarevic Leonida rank 2

    Grujic Sava died in 1913 so he can't be in the 1914 Mod.
    Now we have two generals with the same surname Popovic and they must be renamed to Popovic V and Popovic D.

    The pictures for these leaders and many more were sent to Allenby.

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    We have Kondic ,D.Popovic and Milic in the list already. I will add Solarevic and Milisavljevic and correct the years for Grujic.
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    Ok

    I hope you have the pictures for all these generals including Terzic Bozidar
    Rasic Mihailo, Vasic Milos, Aracic Vukoman, Gojkovic Ilija, Jankovic Bozidar,
    Popovic Vojin, Zivkovic Mihailo and Stefanovic Nikodije. Also I think that Vojin Popovic better known as "Duke Vuk" should have some special traits. I also found pictures of Pesic Petar, Martinovic M and Hadzic Stevan and I will send them to Allenby next week. Can you send me (as a private message) a complete list of Serbian and Montenegrian leaders when you update the list?
    Maybe I can find more pictures and more leaders.

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    I hope this would help

    Typical organization of a Serbian division:

    Drinska Divizija I Poziva, 1912:


    - Komandant (Commander): Col. Pavle Jurisic-Sturm
    - Headquarters:
    Lt. Col. Dragomir Milojevic, Maj. Pantelija Jurisic, Lt. Col. (Art.) Milutin Katanic, Maj. (Eng.) Radisav Zecevic

    - 4. Pesadijski Puk "Stefan Nemanja" (4th Inf. Rgt.): Lt. Col. Dragutin I. Dimitrijevic
    - 5. Pesadijski Puk "Kralj Milan" (5th Inf. Rgt.): Lt. Col. Jovan Vasic,
    - 6. Pesadijski Puk "Prestolonaslednik Kraljevic Aleksandar" (6th Inf. Rgt.): Lt. Col. Djura Dokic
    - 17. Pesadijski Puk (17th Inf. Rgt): Lt. Col. Miladin Masalovic
    - Konjicki Puk (Cavalry Rgt.): Maj. Mladen Lukicevic
    - Artiljerijski Puk (Artillery Rgt.): Lt. Col. Bozidar Sreckovic
    - Inzenjerijski Polubataljon (Engineer Half-battalion): Cpt. Milutin Jankovic

    or complete organisation by armies


    - Dunavska Divizija I Poziva (Danube I Poziv) 1912:

    * Headquarters (Col. Milos Bozanovic)
    * 7th Infantry Rgt "Kralj Petar I"
    * 8th Infantry Rgt
    * 9th Infantry Rgt
    * 18th Infantry Rgt.
    * Divisional Cavalry Rgt.
    * 3rd Divisional Artillery Rgt.


    Serbian OOB during the Siege of Scutari (Albania, winter 1912-1913):

    - Drina Divisional Area (Drinska Divizija I Poziva, Drinska Divizija II Poziva, Uzicka Vojska):

    4th "Stefan Nemanja", 5th "Kralj Milan", 6th "Prestolonaslednik Aleksandar" and 17th Inf. Rgt. I Poziv
    4th, 5th and 6th Inf Rgt. II Poziv
    2nd Guards Rgt.
    Drina Artillery Rgt.
    Drina Cavalry Rgt. I Poziv
    Drina Cavalry Rgt. II Poziv
    Ind. Cavalry Sqadron II Poziv
    Various III Poziv units


    1st Serbian Army 1914:

    Commander: General Petar Bojovic
    Chief of Staff: Colonel Bozidar Terzic
    Timok Division I (with renown 13th Inf. Rgt. "Hajduk Veljko")
    Timok Division II
    Danube Division II
    Cavalry Division
    Branicevo detachment

    2nd Serbian Army 1914:

    Commander: General Stepa Stepanovic
    Chief of Staff: Colonel Vojislav Zivanovic
    Sumadija Division I
    Danube Division I (Col. Milivoje Andjelkovic-Kajafa)
    Combined Division I
    Morava Division I

    3rd Serbian Army 1914:

    Commander: General Pavle Jurisic-Sturm
    Chief of Staff: Colonel Dusan Pesic
    Drina Division I (Col. Krsta Smiljanic)
    Drina Division II
    Morava Division II (with renown 3rd Inf Rgt II Poziv "Gvozdeni")

    Uzice Army (Uzicka Vojska)

    Commander: General Milos Bozanovic
    Sumadija Division II
    Last edited by Dusan; 08-04-2006 at 15:24.

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    those will certainly help...thanks Tunch

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    CSL_GG could you do those Turks and the Mexicans i have found as well...just over this and the page before...thanks if you can!

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    many thanks...

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    Updated Liberian Leader List

    The Updated Liberian leader list

    John H. Anderson rank 1 ( also a minister Chief of Staff and Chief of Army )
    Samuel L. Smith rank 3

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    Siam leader list

    Army Leaders
    Chakrabongse Bhuvanath (Prince) Field Marshall
    Nakhon Jaisri Suradej (Prince) Field Marshall
    Purachatra Jayakara (Prince) rank 1
    Kamphaengbejra Agrayodhin rank 2
    Phraya Chalerm Arkas rank 3

    Navy leaders
    Chao Phraya Ram Raghop rank 1

    Air Leaders
    Luang Sakdi Salyavudh
    Luang Arvudhsikikorn
    Luang Thayanpikart

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    I had just started 1914 as Sweden (of course), and the first thing i noticed was the great lack of pictures for both Ministers and Leaders.. If you send me a list of all missing leaders and ministers for Sweden i will try to dig up as many pictures as i can. I still have a good source to find pictures from this time.

    I have no skills in how to make them in HOI2 format, but if you send me a instruction how to do i could try to make them in HOI2 format.

    If you need something else with Sweden, maybe i can help you.. Just ask..

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    If you could just look at the lists and see who don't have pics andf find them, i'm sure one of the guys can make them into leader pics for you...but thanks alot..Scandinavia is a hard subject to research especailly when they did no actual fighting...thanks for the help!

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    OK.. I have take a look at the ministers, and my first question is why you havn´t gave Gustaf V a picture....



    53001;Head of State;Gustav V;NA;PA ML LE;Popular Figurehead;NA;gustav_v_swe;x
    53007;Chief of Staff;Gustav V;NA;SL;School of Psychology;High;gustav_v_swe;x
    53008;Chief of Army;Gustav V;NA;SL;Static Defense Doctrine;High;unknown;x <------- HERE
    53009;Chief of Navy;Gustav V;NA;SL;Power Projection Doctrine;High;unknown;x <------ HERE
    53095;Head of State;Gustav V;NA;PA;Popular Figurehead;NA;gustav_v_swe;x
    53021;Chief of Staff;Gustaf V;NA;PA;School of Psychology;Very High;gustav_v_swe;x



    I have also searched for some pictures you had lack of..
    53099;Minister of Security;Sven Hedin;NA;PA;Man of the People;High;hedin_sven_swe;x
    53020;Head of Military Intelligence;Sven Hedin;NA;PA;Dismal Enigma;High;hedin_sven_swe;x Sven Hedin

    53045;Minister of Armament;Per Albin Hansson;17;ML;Military Entrepeneur;High;hansson_albin_per_swe;x Per Albin Hansson

    53012;Foreign Minister;Knut Wallenberg;NA;ML;Ideological Crusader;High;wallenberg_knut_swe;x Knut Wallenberg

    53013;Minister of Armament;Axel Vennersten;NA;ML;Administrative Genius;High;vennersten_axel_swe;x Axel Vennersten

    53035;Head of Government;Nils Edén;NA;SL;Flamboyant Tough Guy;NA;eden_nils_swe;x Nils Eden

    53042;Minister of Armament;Rickard Sandler;NA;SD;Resource Industrialist;High;sandler_rickard_swe;x Rickard Sandler





    Also.. I would like to add some ministers..
    Head of Military Intelligence;Carl Gustaf Westman;NA;ML;Political Specialist;High;westman_gustaf_carl_swe;x Carl Gustaf Westman

    Minister of Security;Berndt Hasselroth;NA;ML;Crime Fighter;High;hasselroth_berndt_swe;x Berndt Hasselroth

    Minister of Armament;Johan Beck-Friis;NA;ML;Administrative Genius;High;beck-friis_johan_swe;x Johan Beck-Friis

    These three was avaible around 1914

    I will try to update both Ministers and Leaders at a later stage..
    Should i send this pictures to Allenby?

    Thank you Oksel for helping me with the right format.
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