Leaders

**Halibutt** · 08-03-2005 16:57

Just let me know if you need the Polish leaders for the 1914-1922 period.
Cheers

**Allenby** · 08-03-2005 17:06

Originally Posted by Halibutt

Just let me know if you need the Polish leaders for the 1914-1922 period.
Cheers

As far as I know, you provided the Polish list for TGW. So, yes please.

**Halibutt** · 08-03-2005 17:22

Originally Posted by Allenby

As far as I know, you provided the Polish list for TGW. So, yes please.

Yup, that was me. The most up-to-date version is now part of the pre-beta WERS mod release. If you don't want to download a 3 Mb not-really-playable mod, just send me an e-mail and I'll send the file to you.

Take note, however, that it's not yet a final version and there will be lots of updates, especially with the airmen (so far dummy names from the 1936 scenario) and there will also be some glitch in the ranks and traits.
Cheers

**Halibutt** · 10-03-2005 10:02

Ok, the pre-release version sent (together with a leaders list for both Ukraines). Remind me of it in some time and I'll send you the final list, together with a pic pack.

BTW, do you have a leaders list for Bolshevik Russia? We need it badly for the WERS mod.
Cheers

**Allenby** · 10-03-2005 10:18

Originally Posted by Halibutt

BTW, do you have a leaders list for Bolshevik Russia? We need it badly for the WERS mod.

Check TGW. The Soviet Russian file has not been converted into HOI II format, I ought to tell you...

**ptan54** · 10-03-2005 12:28

Sounds a bit too rigid to me to have to kill off leaders with random murdering events - Can't leaders die in battle just as in HOI1? If so why bother having these events? Hindenburg is sitting safely in Berlin and dies in 1914 for no reason.......

**StephenT** · 10-03-2005 13:08

He was an elderly man - he might have caught pneumonia while out riding on his country estate one Sunday afternoon and died...

In fact, I'd bet that the majority of land leader deaths in WW1 were not a direct result of enemy action. It's quite rare for officers of the rank of General to lead the charge through No Man's Land, after all. A few, like Bridges, might have got unlucky on their occasional inspection tours of the front line - but that's exactly the kind of thing that a random event can simulate (unless we go with fixed death dates after all).

**ptan54** · 10-03-2005 21:46

I'm all against it then. Nothing more annoying than to have leaders randomly drop dead.

Deathdates should be set for those who died of natural causes, e.g. Gallieni, von Moltke. For the others, just leave it as it was in HOI1.

I'll remove these annoying random events if they get put in, and I suspect many players would do the same.

**kingdark** · 10-03-2005 22:38

can i ask you people to take a look at my MOD?

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/....php?p=3904964

**Zuckergußgebäck** · 10-03-2005 22:52

And this has what to do with the military leaders of the first worl war?

**Shadow Knight** · 10-03-2005 23:53

Originally Posted by kingdark

can i ask you people to take a look at my MOD?

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/....php?p=3904964

Kingdark,

While I believe I can speak for the other team members on this, we don't mind offering suggestions on your mod but our Leader thread for 1914 is not the right thread to be asking in.

**StephenT** · 11-03-2005 00:53

Originally Posted by ptan54

I'm all against it then. Nothing more annoying than to have leaders randomly drop dead.

Yes. It was doubtless quite annoying for the families of the leaders who dropped dead in real life, too...

**Allenby** · 11-03-2005 23:58

Originally Posted by ptan54

I'll remove these annoying random events if they get put in, and I suspect many players would do the same.

Being random events, I doubt that they'll appear all that often, to be honest.

**StephenT** · 12-03-2005 01:15

There's currently a 'leader assassinated by commandos' event. I'd suggest duplicating it a few times, changing the text to 'leader retires', 'leader shot by sniper', 'leader dies of typhoid', 'leader sacked', 'leader drowns', 'leader caught in compromising position with female enemy agent' and 'leader shoots himself in the head'.

Put them in a separate event file so people who object to leaders dying in a wargame can delete that file easily...

**Sir Humphrey** · 12-03-2005 03:00

Would it be possible to assign the randomness to leaders of a certain level? ie in that Major generals would have more a chance of getting the event than say a filed marshall?

**StephenT** · 12-03-2005 13:36

Not as far as I can see. Except that there are more lower-ranking leaders, of course, so the balance of probabilities will mean the events affect low-ranking leaders more often.

Besides, I'm not sure why you think it would be any safer to be a Field Marshal than a Major-General in the conditions of WW1?

**Allenby** · 12-03-2005 19:35

Originally Posted by StephenT

Besides, I'm not sure why you think it would be any safer to be a Field Marshal than a Major-General in the conditions of WW1?

Because they're more likely to be killed in action?

More Brigadier-Generals and Major-Generals died than those of higher rank, remember.

**Zuckergußgebäck** · 12-03-2005 19:42

Originally Posted by Allenby

More Brigadier-Generals and Major-Generals died than those of higher tank, remember.

Higher Tank?

**Allenby** · 12-03-2005 19:49

er....yeah. Very good.

The point still stands - a brigade or divisional commander was much more likely to be killed during the war, simply because he got directly involved in the action more often.

**ptan54** · 12-03-2005 21:23

Ludendorff doesn't sit around in the trenches all day, lower ranking commanders do. It's clear who's at greater risk of dying from war related causes. The fact that there are more lower ranking leaders doesn't change this - even though on the balance of probabilities the lower ranking leaders are more likely to die, this probability is still higher than if we have a lower probability event for the higher ranking officers.

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