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GhengisKhan said:
Combat units have a base percent chance to get a combat event during a combat which is inherintley low. When i posted my Land doctrine path comparisons the HQ units also give you a combat event mulitplier. Example a combat between unit A and B. Unit A on its own will have say a 2% for a combat event. If the unit is within the range of a HQ unit with a FM or General in charge it will have 2X the chance to score an event. So if unit A is within a HQ range then it will have a 4% chance to get a combat event. If the HQ didnt have a sufficient leader then they wouldn't get the event multiplier or the ESE bonus.
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Yea I was wondering about that. However when I was testing exp gain for FMs the events appeared many more times than with a general. Are you sure its the same for both? Or does the general have a smaller chance than an FM? Or is it only dependant on the HQ being present.

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Fiendix said:
Robert - the txt file in the db folder says that the penalty is 9% per level - so I dont know how you got 9.9%? Also Sufiy says that for armour its greater - however I cant find any such proof. Can you look into that again?

Thanks

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I attacked Dunqurque, which has level 8 fortresses and the tooltip showed a 79,2% penalty to the attacker > 9,9% for each level. When I attacked into Cologne (level 3 fortresses), the tooltip showed a 29,7% penalty, again 9,9% for each level. The tooltips also show a penalty of 10,8% for armour when attacking fortresses so it is slightly higher.
 
Fiendix said:
Yea I was wondering about that. However when I was testing exp gain for FMs the events appeared many more times than with a general. Are you sure its the same for both? Or does the general have a smaller chance than an FM? Or is it only dependant on the HQ being present.

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Well the HQ has a certian event level modifier so i would assume that it is constant. Now FM in general may have a better event % bonus or maybe it was tied to thier skill level.
 
Robert Koop said:
I attacked Dunqurque, which has level 8 fortresses and the tooltip showed a 79,2% penalty to the attacker > 9,9% for each level. When I attacked into Cologne (level 3 fortresses), the tooltip showed a 29,7% penalty, again 9,9% for each level. The tooltips also show a penalty of 10,8% for armour when attacking fortresses so it is slightly higher.
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okay figured it out.. the problem was that there is a modifier of 10% for soft targets (except cavalery) and 20% for hard targets. At least at this tech level...

SO the base penalty is 9%, but +10% (9.9%) for inf and + 20% (10,8%) for tanks etc..

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GhengisKhan said:
Well the HQ has a certian event level modifier so i would assume that it is constant. Now FM in general may have a better event % bonus or maybe it was tied to thier skill level.
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okay i will keep that in mind when I do the tests.

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I think that

Encircled Mod
- 10% if the unit is completely surrounded

and

No Retreat Possible
Eff-10% when attacked in a province that is surrounded. Only applicable to the defender.

are the same things.
and, please add this modifier. :rofl:

Paradropping
Eff-15% if the formation is paradrop to enemy province.
 
jimmyricken said:
Hi,



I am not sure. I remember to see a penalty of 10% and a penalty of 20% for envelopement. I think 20% are for a full envelopement, but I am not sure.

Gruß Jimmy
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there are 2 modifiers -10 if you are enveloped ( + -10 for each over 3 territories you are being attacked from)

and -10 if you are completely surrounded..

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Hi Fiendix,

oh, when I attack a completly surrounded province from 6 directions, than the defender gets -50% (10% for the first 3 directions, 30% for the 4, 5 and 6 direction and 10% for the total surrounding)? Is that right?

And thanks for your good list.

Gruß Jimmy
 
eye-switcher said:
Im not so sure about longer games, i say it seem like they have succeded in making hard for Axis to win. I think an average axis player may find his MP game finished really fast...
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I don't think so. The advantage for the defender will help Germany defend against the Allies and the USSR too, slowing down the rush to Berlin.
 
Winkelried said:
I don't think so. The advantage for the defender will help Germany defend against the Allies and the USSR too, slowing down the rush to Berlin.
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It really will depend on the tech levels of the german units. They need to have a tech advantage otherwise they will not have a big chance. Now the question is - with the current tech system can you have much of an advantage? Everybody will have the same tanks, inf - only diff will be in the doctrines. Will that be enough?

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Fiendix said:
It really will depend on the tech levels of the german units. They need to have a tech advantage otherwise they will not have a big chance. Now the question is - with the current tech system can you have much of an advantage? Everybody will have the same tanks, inf - only diff will be in the doctrines. Will that be enough?

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Look at Grosshaus AAR, when he venture outside historic dates he payed costly for it. I will think the advantage in tech will be very minor, but we will see.
 
Fiendix said:
okay figured it out.. the problem was that there is a modifier of 10% for soft targets (except cavalery) and 20% for hard targets. At least at this tech level...

SO the base penalty is 9%, but +10% (9.9%) for inf and + 20% (10,8%) for tanks etc..

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Wow, this is all getting very complicated... nice, i wonder how exp is calculated.
 
6.3 All the units in the formation receive the leader trait unless the formation
goes over the leaders CPC.
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Undoubled CPC. Isn't it?

- Traits:
- All 23 of FM's divs get applicable bonuses for both his traits.
- +10% for Offensive Doctrine.
- +10% for any armoured/mech divs in his 23, for Panzer Leader.
- All 2 of LG's divs get bonuses for his one Trait.
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This seems wrong to me, when i put a Lt.G(offensive) in charge of an army which contains more then 3 divs then no div get the trait bonus. And there are two HQs present while i attack, with Generals in charge.
 
Also if anybody has the time can you please check this:

Combined Arms
when units number <= CPC(not double),
and (less than 100% and 30% or more) is Hard Units(arm mech...)...
attacker: Eff+5%
defender: Eff+15%

Lack of Supply
Eff-20%, when lack of Supply.
Fuel is not related to this Eff.

Multiple combat modifier
- 50% Multiple Combat

3.7 Depending on the level HQ's - they do not suffer from being flanked ie. in multiple combat ***** (as it seems - any other modifiers?)

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Nice FAQ Fiendix

DarthMaur said:
Wow, this is all getting very complicated... nice, i wonder how exp is calculated.
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Well, in the leader file there is a column called "ideal rank". This may affect leader XP gain (ie, greatest at ideal rank).
 
Gjerg Kastrioti said:
Nice FAQ Fiendix
Well, in the leader file there is a column called "ideal rank". This may affect leader XP gain (ie, greatest at ideal rank).
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thanks - yea there might be something in that.. I will post the tables that I have when I have the time..

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