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    Khwarizim

    OK I have a big gripe with this event:

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    event = {
    	id = 325003
    	random = no
    	country = UZB
    	trigger = {	
    		OR = {
    			owned = { province = 1533 data = -1 } #Khiva
    			AND = { 
    				owned = { province = 522 data = -1 } #Khwarizm
    				owned = { province = 523 data = -1 } #Kara Kum
    			}	
    		}
    	}
    	name = "Khayr's Summer Residence"
    	desc = "Upon the capture of Khwarizim, Khayr made Sygnak his summer residence and the city henceforth, became the major trading area for the people of the Great Steppes. The region also became profitable as through his consolidation, Khayr managed to unite the turkic people of Khwarizim."
    	style = 1
    	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1425 }
    	offset = 30
    	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }
    	action_a ={
    		name = "Look how lovely Sygnak is!"					
    		command = { type = capital which = 1534 } #Kyzylkum
    		command = { type = cot which = 1534 } #Kyzylkum
    		command = { type = stability value = 3 }
    		command = { type = ai which = "UZB-Summer.ai" }
    		command = { type = add_countryculture which = canary }
    		command = { type = relation which = DAK value = 100 }
    		}
    }
    This plumps an extra cot two provinces away from Samarkand. I freely admit that I have no idea about the economic evolution of central Asia but I can see no reason why there should be two cots so close together servicing the region. Either this really changed the trade dynamics of the entire region, in which case it definitely should have the line
    command = { type = removecot which = 1592 } #Samarkand
    added to it, or else it wasn't quite that important and the cot should not be added.

    I suspect this is simply a leftover from the way the merge was done, and from the fact that we couldn't remove cots before 1.08. In my ignorance I prefer closing the Samarkand cot, but I'm happy with either change.
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    There is no need for another CoT in Central Asia. The whole period is one of Central Asia being less and less important for international trade.
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    Something needs to be done.
    Either remove Samarkand in the process but since this is only two provinces away I'd prefer to not add or remove any CoT, just keep Samarkand. Add 1 in tax instead. Removing and reinsettling CoT in almost the same place erase all merchants that the AI and players has spent money on, and should be done with good reason. (The player can normally take advantage of it by filling it up as soon as he gets new merchants.)
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    I think Garbon did this event, I hope we can get him to comment on it. I'll write a PM.
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    During XVII century, samarkand was abandoned , and became unpopulated; so the CoT there should be removed.
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    As I said in another thread, I think Samarkand should be axed in favor of Kabul, since the Indian branch of the Silk road was far more significant by this stage than the Chinese branch.

    North-Central Asia can survive without a dedicated CoT for the 6 years before this event fires.

    And the Russian event that forms a CoT in Sibir lands should kill this CoT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doktarr
    As I said in another thread, I think Samarkand should be axed in favor of Kabul, since the Indian branch of the Silk road was far more significant by this stage than the Chinese branch.

    North-Central Asia can survive without a dedicated CoT for the 6 years before this event fires.

    And the Russian event that forms a CoT in Sibir lands should kill this CoT.
    It is now a small CoT with little value so this is a good suggestion. If Siberia is properly colonize, siberian CoT could reach great value. And most countries of that region should already know Tobolsk, so they will trade there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doktarr
    As I said in another thread, I think Samarkand should be axed in favor of Kabul, since the Indian branch of the Silk road was far more significant by this stage than the Chinese branch.

    North-Central Asia can survive without a dedicated CoT for the 6 years before this event fires.

    And the Russian event that forms a CoT in Sibir lands should kill this CoT.
    I think Garbon intended that the COT made the Uzbeks that much stronger so that they could do what they did historically. As such I' propose (temporarily) that this event simply remove Samarkand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isaac Brock
    OK I have a big gripe with this event:

    Code:
    event = {
    	id = 325003
    	random = no
    	country = UZB
    	trigger = {	
    		OR = {
    			owned = { province = 1533 data = -1 } #Khiva
    			AND = { 
    				owned = { province = 522 data = -1 } #Khwarizm
    				owned = { province = 523 data = -1 } #Kara Kum
    			}	
    		}
    	}
    	name = "Khayr's Summer Residence"
    	desc = "Upon the capture of Khwarizim, Khayr made Sygnak his summer residence and the city henceforth, became the major trading area for the people of the Great Steppes. The region also became profitable as through his consolidation, Khayr managed to unite the turkic people of Khwarizim."
    	style = 1
    	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1425 }
    	offset = 30
    	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }
    	action_a ={
    		name = "Look how lovely Sygnak is!"					
    		command = { type = capital which = 1534 } #Kyzylkum
    		command = { type = cot which = 1534 } #Kyzylkum
    		command = { type = stability value = 3 }
    		command = { type = ai which = "UZB-Summer.ai" }
    		command = { type = add_countryculture which = canary }
    		command = { type = relation which = DAK value = 100 }
    		}
    }
    This plumps an extra cot two provinces away from Samarkand. I freely admit that I have no idea about the economic evolution of central Asia but I can see no reason why there should be two cots so close together servicing the region. Either this really changed the trade dynamics of the entire region, in which case it definitely should have the line
    command = { type = removecot which = 1592 } #Samarkand
    added to it, or else it wasn't quite that important and the cot should not be added.

    I suspect this is simply a leftover from the way the merge was done, and from the fact that we couldn't remove cots before 1.08. In my ignorance I prefer closing the Samarkand cot, but I'm happy with either change.
    Isaac's idea is really good here. I've playtested it and it helps the Mascate/Al Kharim COT stay alive and get a little more trade when the Samarkand COT closes.

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