Sir Humphrey said:Great to see this happening, though if the allies intervene, should a russian civil war develope, it could become very interesting.
Indeed Sir Humph.... maybe a nice little invasion around Leningrad.... erm sorry Petrograd.
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Indeed Sir Humph.... maybe a nice little invasion around Leningrad.... erm sorry Petrograd.
SirCliveWolfe said:Indeed Sir Humph.... maybe a nice little invasion around Leningrad.... erm sorry Petrograd.
how often do you think i do that
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Allenby said:
Interesting, I guess the Whites will be more successful in this timeline. Perhaps due to a massive British intervention?
Very interesting, although I wonder how this could affect Russia in the future. If the October Revolution is to be averted, then the most likely way for Britain to secure that would be to instruct the PG to make peace in the East, and for the PG to look to it's defence internally rather than externally. But I can't imagine that will be a realistic prospect, unless there's a serious advance in the West.
Perhaps Sir George - if he has the ear of the PG now - could advise the PG to take tougher measures on Lenin and co, although that would surely only offset serious domestic trouble rather than avert it.
Perhaps Sir George - if he has the ear of the PG now - could advise the PG to take tougher measures on Lenin and co, although that would surely only offset serious domestic trouble rather than avert it.
Nice one Allenby, cool to see the Tsar escaping by the aid of the Royal Navy, one can’t help but wonder what this will do to the course Russia will take in upcoming events. Looking forward to more
Interesting to see what options this gives the UK in the policy towards Russia in the future..
But how has the recent events affected the eastern front?
But how has the recent events affected the eastern front?
Semi-Lobster said:
No, it isn't actually.
I merely thought that the possibility of Nicholas' escape was worth theorising. Of course, I had to alter the stance of the Soviet on the issue - division, misunderstanding and ambiguity instead of solid determination that the family should have stayed.aussieboy said:
It will probably need divine intervention to survive.
VILenin said:So the Russian revolution has finally begun. The evacuation of the Czar was certainly be ahistorical, how much else will be I wonder? I'm thinking the Entente might take more active steps against the Bolsheviks should they try and sieze power. I'll now re-read this update again and again, Allenby!
Whilst a war is being fought against the Central Powers, any intervention against a prospective Soviet-ruled government can be ruled out. No amount of encouragement from the Romanov family's luxury French home will change the priorities of the French government.
For now, it will be up to the Provisional Government to keep a lid on things.Oranje Verzet said:
I'm sure that such an austere family would look down on such an irreputable practice as gambling.
SirCliveWolfe said:
Quite true.
And thanks for the compliment!
Sir Humphrey said:Great to see this happening, though if the allies intervene, should a russian civil war develope, it could become very interesting.
Do you not think that Nicholas will be content to live out the rest of his years with his family?
SirCliveWolfe said:Indeed Sir Humph.... maybe a nice little invasion around Leningrad.... erm sorry Petrograd.
Lenin? Some small time leftist sitting in a Swiss cafe, I understand? Or is he taking a certain train journey?
cthulhu said:
Who knows? I have only reached April 1917 in my game, so it is impossible to say how events in Russia will transpire.
Vincent Julien said:
For the British, French and the Americans, it would almost certainly be preferable for Russia to remain in the war for as long as possible, irrespective of whether this causes her to swing towards the radical left or not. The more divisions that stay on in the east, the better, would be the attitude. I tend to think that would be the case even if the offensive in Spring 1917 is a great success.
As much as Buchanan (and of course, M. Paléologue) would like to see the Provisional Government take a firm line with the Soviet, the means - at present - are non existent owing to the loyalty that so many units in the Russian Army owe to the Soviet and not to the government.
Lord E said:Nice one Allenby, cool to see the Tsar escaping by the aid of the Royal Navy, one can’t help but wonder what this will do to the course Russia will take in upcoming events. Looking forward to more
Thanks, E man. As for Russia, she is, as the President of the Air Board might put it, "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."
Aldo said:
One cannot really tell. It may be the case that housing the Romanovs is akin to taking a poisoned chalice, fraught with difficulties...
As for how it shall effect the eastern front, I shall refer to it in a future update.
Thank you kindly, gentlemen!
Allenby said:
I meant St Petersburg
o too many different names it's almost as bad as Constantinople/Itsanbul etc... Allenby said:
Yes but if the "Some small time leftist sitting in a Swiss cafe" does not butt in then maybe Kerensky can persuade the menshaviks and bolsheviks to remain moderate and co-operative with the PG.
Sir Clive.
Allenby said:
But why take on the Soviets? If Lenin is detained early on, then the prospect of a rising by the Bolsheviks may be dispensed with altogether. Especially when you consider that Kamenev and Zinoviev were arguing against such a move, and that Lenin's influence possibly secured it. Lenin's detention would possibly also avert any increase in bolshevik representation in the Soviets.
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But of course a stable-looking Provisional government is only going to increase the chances of Germany sending Lenin to Russia to destabilize things. Any overt assistance from the West or the chance of a strong government emerging is likely to provoke German action.
VILenin said:
Indeed it seems some Ninja's with lightsabres are needed...
Seriously though... Germany may decided that the risk of bolshevism it too great especialy if Russia decends into civil war...
This screenshot may reveal a thing or two, folks.
The German AI seems to have decided that it would much prefer a destabilised Russia to a non-Soviet dominated, stable Russia. It strengthens Germany's and Austria-Hungary's bargaining position, and allows them to exploit weaknesses and divisions within their Russian adversary. It is looking rather bleak for the Provisional Government - one wonders whether a military success can bolster it?
The German AI seems to have decided that it would much prefer a destabilised Russia to a non-Soviet dominated, stable Russia. It strengthens Germany's and Austria-Hungary's bargaining position, and allows them to exploit weaknesses and divisions within their Russian adversary. It is looking rather bleak for the Provisional Government - one wonders whether a military success can bolster it?
Damn Germans destroying all your nice work to try to rescue the Russians from the revolution, well one can only hope that Lenin will take revenge and kick the Kaiser’s backside
So, Allenby, are you going to throttle the Bolshevik babe in its cradle a la Churchill?
Allenby said:The German AI seems to have decided that it would much prefer a destabilised Russia to a non-Soviet dominated, stable Russia. It strengthens Germany's and Austria-Hungary's bargaining position, and allows them to exploit weaknesses and divisions within their Russian adversary. It is looking rather bleak for the Provisional Government - one wonders whether a military success can bolster it?
It seems that the German AI has decided to strike at the weakest point -quite logical, methinks :rofl:-. What a pity, the Zar without Empire, the Provisional Government next to fall... Who said Kerenski? :rofl: