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_Astolph_ said:
Geez... materialism is the philosophical basis of marxism. how could communism free someone from materialism...

By the way, Russia under Stalin, North Korea, Pol Pot, etc, were/are all communist and shows well what communism actually is: totalitarism, personality cult, mass murdering, etc. Communists are totalitarists disguised as "proletariat defenders", there is not other kind of communism.



As said George Orwell, an ex-comunist, referring to the communist bureaucrats:

All men are equal, but some are more equal than others.
:rofl:

I am a communist, and I can see you dont even know what communism is. :mad: Maybe if you looked in to communism you would have a change of heart. :mad: Stalin,and Pol Pot were not communists and nither is NK.

I just hope you are not one of those conservitave-neo nazi-bush lovers! :mad:

To say nazism is better than communism is to declare yourself a nazi.


GREAT AAR though. :)
 
To say bush-lovers are neo-nazis is to declare yourself an idiot. :p

On a different note, what happened to this AAR? I was rather enjoying it, it's a shame to see it die. :(
 
Yes it was a shame to see it die. But who the heck resurrected a dead thread? :mad:
 
Person's last post was three months ago. So it doesn't look too good.
 
coryman said:
To say nazism is better than communism is to declare yourself a nazi.
GREAT AAR though. :)

Yes it was. The quality of writing was impressive, although the visualisation was even more so.

It got me, though, to thinking about the tenuous link between politics and PC gaming wherever it may be found. Specifically the time I spent on a well-known Space Opera MMO, where, contrary to public opinion, Roleplay can be and is done rather well by a handful of people.

I wanted to create a determined character (much like the Hitler in this splendid AAR), specifically a woman who wished to start her own People's Socialist Collective, by manufacturing armaments to sell in order to finance her (and hopefully other's) dreams. Communism by degrees or stages in a fundamentally capitalist fictional universe, was the idea.

Anyway, what happened was, that whilst (in-character) advertising on the usual channels, the reaction to a 'communist' Corporation (yes, I was off to a bad start, I know) was pretty forthright and negative, by and large. Apart from being accused of actually wanting this element of roleplay (this game is primarily a PK MMO), the idea of a 'Communist' element, planned as long-term brought forth revulsion from all and sundry, with a few assuming I was a communist myself, as if this was even relevant. Now, RP isn't everyone's cup of tea, but its RP - I never expected open hostility whilst out-of-character.

So I started to think, what if I had wished for a fascist character instead? I think I would probably have balked at the idea to begin with. There's that line that can't really be crossed, RP or not. I guess, out there, fascism and communism are held to be equally abhorrent by affluent modern-day gamers, or at least plans to copy such ideas within mere games.

From now on, politics and gaming 'ne'er the twain shall meet', for me. Unless it's sp HoI : )

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Great AAR -let's all hope that there are more installments forthcoming.
 
I only just tuned into this one, a shame to see it's died :(

The USSR was not wholly Socialist, becuase true Socialism requires Democracy. However it was not entirely UN-socialist, i.e. planned economy. Nevertheless it was Soviets who mass murdured not Communists/Socialists.. it's like saying the Tsars were Communistis... Soviet leaders just ruled as Autocrats on the back of "the Proletariat" not "Divine Right."

George W. Bush recently repealed some Environmental Protection laws becuase they hurt business... So uh, when we have no ozone layer left Mr Bush, you do realise that we *all* die right? Isn't the US just as bad for it's rampant wastage of resources and the exploitation and rape of "lesser" nations on a grand scale? It's commiting exploitation on a similar scale to both Germany and the Soviets in the 30's. They also break innumerable international laws and impose illegal embargoes and the like on Cuba whilst stating that the wholeheartedly support free trade. The Hypocrisy of the US leaders is almost as great as the hypocrisy of the Soviet Union.

Basically all I'm saying is I'd rather the Americans among us would stop using a smug sort of moral high ground they should know dosn't exist. If they don't beleive this, then they're too blind or simply don't want to see it.
 
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Evans said:
Basically all I'm saying is I'd rather the Americans among us would stop using a smug sort of moral high ground they should know dosn't exist. If they don't beleive this, then they're too blind or simply don't want to see it.

Well if theres no moral high ground, right or wrong on the international stage, why are you complaining at all? Shouldn't you then accept what we and others do as an integral part of the foriegn policy process?
 
Gfront said:
Well if theres no moral high ground, right or wrong on the international stage, why are you complaining at all? Shouldn't you then accept what we and others do as an integral part of the foriegn policy process?

Saying that i feel the US has no moral highground is not saying that there is none to be had. The US has it in certain places loses it in others. My post was not supposed to be balanced and carefully considered a dissertation on foreign policy. It was supposed to highlight that all nations committ atrocity and the US is not excempt from this.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't hate Americans. I've loved almost all the Americans i've ever met, online and off, just the leaders and their odd ways I object to.
 
Evans said:
Saying that i feel the US has no moral highground is not saying that there is none to be had. The US has it in certain places loses it in others. My post was not supposed to be balanced and carefully considered a dissertation on foreign policy. It was supposed to highlight that all nations committ atrocity and the US is not excempt from this.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't hate Americans. I've loved almost all the Americans i've ever met, online and off, just the leaders and their odd ways I object to.

Well, as an American, I didn't really see the love in that display of anti- American bile.
Also, most of our leaders are elected officials(Unlike say... The Nazis or the Commies, whom you compare us too). They and thier odd ways typically reflect the attitudes of the American electorate. So in a way, if you have a problem with them, you have a problem with most of us.
 
Gfront said:
Well, as an American, I didn't really see the love in that display of anti- American bile.
Also, most of our leaders are elected officials(Unlike say... The Nazis or the Commies, whom you compare us too). They and thier odd ways typically reflect the attitudes of the American electorate. So in a way, if you have a problem with them, you have a problem with most of us.



I didnt see any hate in his words either, he was just offering a outside view on the US, which more Americans might want to look into. I dont think that the people America really represents the whole of Americans, cause america is just to diverse a place to be all-represented by one leader, that and i believe most americans can pronounce the word nuclear correctly :D
What he said was basicaly true, no one nation is perfect, all have made mistakes, he was just ttying to point out that most americans dont seem to understand that, which is ture enough.
 
Biff has it right, I'm sorry for any offense I may have caused it just rankles... My own nation is/was no better (the United Kingdom.)

I'd also argue that becuase of the nature of the US electoral system it in fact represents Republicans and Democrats, becuase no-one outside those two stands a high chance of getting elected. Just look at the Senate, there's like 1 independant in it atm? (not sure since the election.) As for Presidential candidates it's certainly true that 3rd parties get nowhere, who was the last one who really split the ECVs? I can't recall the name atm but i think it split the Democrat vote to let Nixon in.

But you are right, these officials are elected unlike the the Soviet Union... And although you need a LOT of cash to get anywhere in US politics at least the choice is there. The USA is a far better place than the Soviet for things like a real freedom of expression etc and security from being murdered by the government for no reason.

As far as things go the US system is not the worst nor is it in my humble opinion the best, but it certainly ranks above most. The guys at the top are just taking a rather odd course about things and have rather strange priorities (in my view.)
 
Greetings Biff,
The hate would be between "George W." ... and ..."hypocracy of the Soviet Union".
Also, I didnt' say ours was perfect (but I think it's the greatest :) ) and that W represents the views of all americans, just most of them along with the rest of the government.

Evans- I would argue that the 2 party system is good for fringe candidates with wierd positions as long as they are either D or R.
Look at comrade Kerry, theres a commie traitor who believes in global tests, taxes, downsizing the military, and giving it up to the U.N. I don't think much of this resonates positively with the american people and he came too close to the white house for my comfort (by pretending to be more conservative, what a damn liar.)
 
Power?
 
Nothing for 2 years, and suddenly you post a "hello"? is this aar going to come back?
 
aye, bring it back!

and why do i keep hearing people simply hurling as many
fringe political terms they can at enemies?
X: vote Democrat.
Y: nononono theyre communaziislamofascistliberalatheisttheocrats!!!!

:p

on a side note, cut down the bush-bashing. it gets old, and seldom contributes to any arguments. and this is getting too off-topic :wacko:

Slán Leat,
Dionysius. :cool: