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Dayvit781 said:
On that last one, I don't think you can have 2 different cultures in the same file.. you might have to make a bosnia_croat_sunni file. ?
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Yes, you can. We separate just for better organization. If you want you can sum all .csv into one big file, but it will be hell to edit it later.
 
Dayvit781 said:
I have corrected the Madagascar POPs in game. The country itself should be pagan until 1869 when the Royalty made Protestant their religion (not Catholic). Before that the queen persecuted missionaries and killed protestants and catholics, so I don't think the state religion should be catholic =X Population should break down to about 60% Pagan, 20% Catholic (the coastal provinces) and 20% Protestant (inland province only).
In game the country's 3 letter code is HOW and the pop files are howa
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I could be wrong, but shouldn't there be a Muslim Arab minority in Madagascar, especially in the far north?
 
Egyptian minorities

Hi, I've been following this thread for some time and I like to contribute some content to the POP mod. I just finished reworking the egyptian stats by including the jewish and coptic minorities and increased the population to its 1815 size of 4.5 million. Its based on a few historical atlases and historical demographic statistics that I happened to dug ip. I hope it helps. :)

Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
1323;Arabic;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;11
1323;Arabic;Orthodox;capitalists;;;;2
1323;Arabic;Orthodox;clerks;;;;8
1323;Arabic;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;10
1323;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;12
1363;Arabic;Orthodox;clerks;;;;7
1363;Arabic;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;8
1363;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;11
1364;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;1
1836;Arabic;Orthodox;clerks;;;;1
1836;Arabic;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;1
1836;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;1
1846;Arabic;Orthodox;clerks;;;;2
1846;Arabic;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;2
1846;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;3
1850;Arabic;Orthodox;clerks;;;;6
1850;Arabic;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;7
1850;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;9
1851;Arabic;Orthodox;clerks;;;;3
1851;Arabic;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;4
1851;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;5
1865;Arabic;Orthodox;clerks;;;;1
1865;Arabic;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;1
1865;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;2
1872;Arabic;Orthodox;clerks;;;;2
1872;Arabic;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;3
1872;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;4
1323;Arabic;Orthodox;farmers;;;;13

Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
1321;Arabic;Jewish;clerks;;;;1
1323;Arabic;Jewish;clergymen;;;;2
1323;Arabic;Jewish;capitalists;;;;6
1323;Arabic;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
1323;Arabic;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;1
1323;Arabic;Jewish;farmers;;;;1
1363;Arabic;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
1323;Arabic;Jewish;farmers;;;;5

Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
1321;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;1
1321;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;1
1321;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;16
1321;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;3
1322;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;1
1322;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;1
1322;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;14
1322;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;2
1323;Arabic;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;9
1323;Arabic;Sunni;officers;;;;19
1323;Arabic;Sunni;clergymen;;;;4
1323;Arabic;Sunni;capitalists;;;;1
1323;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;28
1323;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;23
1323;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;295
1323;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;36
1323;Arabic;Sunni;slaves;;;;9
1361;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;4
1362;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;5
1363;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;17
1363;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;14
1363;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;163
1363;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;19
1363;Arabic;Sunni;slaves;;;;6
1364;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;3
1364;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;2
1364;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;28
1364;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;3
1365;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;1
1365;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;1
1365;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;16
1365;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;1
1366;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;3
1371;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;6
1375;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;5
1404;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;7
1836;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;1
1836;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;1
1836;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;14
1836;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;1
1846;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;1
1846;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;1
1846;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;14
1846;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;1
1850;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;2
1850;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;1
1850;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;20
1850;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;2
1851;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;5
1851;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;1
1852;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;5
1853;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;4
1854;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;4
1855;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;3
1856;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;5
1857;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;4
1865;Arabic;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;1
1865;Arabic;Sunni;soldiers;;;;1
1865;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;17
1865;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;2
1866;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;3
1867;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;3
1872;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;5
1873;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;8
1323;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;65
 
eschaton said:
I could be wrong, but shouldn't there be a Muslim Arab minority in Madagascar, especially in the far north?
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Yes there should... I could convert about 7% of the POP in the northern province. Do you want to call them Arabic culture?
 
pimparel said:
Yes, you can. We separate just for better organization. If you want you can sum all .csv into one big file, but it will be hell to edit it later.
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I see :) I guess it won't be so hard to edit now... lemme fix that Madagascar file.
 
Gentlemen, I've made our projects' page (POP MOD homepage). It's not the coolest page you've ever seen since I'm not a great HTML scripter and I'm totally unable to make any graphics (any volunteers?). However, the page is there and an alternative download is available as well (just in case my other page crashed due to bandwidth limits).
Any suggestions are welcome.
Cheers
 
Cool. Grosshaus tells me that an upload forum is in the works.:) As for my flag in contributions page, I live in US, but put Cambodian flag for me.
 
Phillip V said:
Cool. Grosshaus tells me that an upload forum is in the works.:) As for my flag in contributions page, I live in US, but put Cambodian flag for me.
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I was wondering which one would be better and simply chose the first one I thought of. I will correct that ASAP.
Cheers
 
Halibutt said:
Gentlemen, I've made our projects' page (POP MOD homepage). It's not the coolest page you've ever seen since I'm not a great HTML scripter and I'm totally unable to make any graphics (any volunteers?). However, the page is there and an alternative download is available as well (just in case my other page crashed due to bandwidth limits).
Any suggestions are welcome.
Cheers
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COOL site.
Hallibut, I rebalanced some POP's again! reduced the aristocracy and clergy, and increase soldiers in the south, cause my scenario starts with a civil war.
Later I will post a link.

In the South American Pops, we agreed in renaming some cultures and rebalancing ALL POP's. Take a look, it may take more time, but when ready I will present the alternate set too.

You can add my e-mail to the site: pimparel at hotmail dot com.
 
Dayvit781 said:
Yes there should... I could convert about 7% of the POP in the northern province. Do you want to call them Arabic culture?
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I think it would be worthwhile, if only because it would make the game more interesting if one manages to make an expansionist Oman or Ottoman Empire or something. Which reminds me I haven't looked at East Africa in general however. Is Zanzibar actually a good part Arabic like it is/was IRL?
 
eschaton said:
I think it would be worthwhile, if only because it would make the game more interesting if one manages to make an expansionist Oman or Ottoman Empire or something. Which reminds me I haven't looked at East Africa in general however. Is Zanzibar actually a good part Arabic like it is/was IRL?
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I think it's always interesting to see lots of little populations. Many of the trading centers around the worlds had communities with several different nationalities. Besides research questions and the inevitable flame wars over how much population, I think the third reason Paradox didn't include these is because their trade model is not really existant. All we have is a world market, but there never existed a "world" market, it was thousands of markets all over the world and the ships, caravans that kept them linked. If those were added, these little communities would be important (because you wouldn't really have local access to trade unless you had your people in that city).

Having said that however, I'm hoping all this goes into the VIP because it's just interesting to learn human geography. =) !

And to answer your other question they have 16000 African pops, 3000 Arabic (all aristo) and 4000 Swahili... which represent 4 times that number of people
 
The following population files are additions and changes for Southeast Asian countries. For all of them, numbers of Chinese and culture group are accurate to best of my sources, general regions of settlement are accurate, however specific provinces were only known in some cases.

Numbers of Asian_minors are NOT accurate though regions are correct. The reason they are included is to make it less confusing when compiling lists, so all country files will be together

Comments are welcome. Specific, historical data are extremely welcome!

## ANNAM
## Total files: 7
Unchanged:
Vietnam_khmer
Vietnam_laotian
Vietnam_mahayana
Vietnam_catholic

add vietnam_southern_min.csv
2320;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;4
2000;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;1

add vietnam_yue.csv
2320;Yue;Mahayana;farmers;;;;5
1999;Yue;Mahayana;farmers;;;;2
2000;Yue;Mahayana;farmers;;;;1
2025;Yue;Mahayana;farmers;;;;1
2005;Yue;Mahayana;aristocrats;;;;1

add vietnam_montagnard.csv
1997;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;10
1998;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;7
2012;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;20
2026;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;11
2326;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;22
1976;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;18
1987;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;16
1988;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;7
2001;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;7
2003;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;5
2006;Asian_minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;18
 
## Cambodia
## Total files: 3
Unchanged:
cambodia.csv

add cambodia_mahayanamin.csv
2011;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;3
2317;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;4

add cambodia_southern_min.csv
2011;Huizhou;Theravada;aristocrats;;;;1
 
## Siam
## Total files: 6
Unchanged:
siam.csv
siam_laotian.csv
siam_khmer.csv
siam_malayan.csv

add siam_northern_min.csv
1958;Min;Theravada;aristocrats;;;;9
1958;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;6
1980;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;1
1981;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;2
2009;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;3
2292;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;3

add siam_southern_min.csv
1958;Huizhou;Theravada;aristocrats;;;;12
1958;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;11
1980;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;2
1981;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;3
2009;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;9
2010;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;4
2292;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;3
2294;Huizhou;Mahayana;farmers;;;;5
 
## Malayan Penninsula
## Total files: 4

DELETE:
malaya_yuefolk.csv
malaya_yuemahayana.csv

Unchanged:
malaya_english.csv
malaya_malayansunni.csv

add malaya_hakka.csv
2309;Hakka;Mahayana;farmers;;;;2
2310;Hakka;Mahayana;farmers;;;;5
2311;Hakka;Mahayana;farmers;;;;1
2313;Hakka;Mahayana;farmers;;;;1

add malaya_northern_min.csv
2309;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;5
2310;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;1
2311;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;1
2312;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;2
2313;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;5
2327;Min;Mahayana;farmers;;;;5
 
## Sumatra Island
## Total files: 4

DELETE:
sumatera_yuefolk.csv

Unchanged:
sumatera_javansunni.csv
sumatera_malayansunni.csv

add sumatera_hakka.csv
2284;Hakka;Pagan;farmers;;;;3
2296;Hakka;Pagan;farmers;;;;1

add sumatera_northern_min.csv
2284;Min;Pagan;labourers;;;;3
2296;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
2297;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
2298;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;2
2314;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
2315;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;4
2316;Hakka;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
2541;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;2
2542;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
2543;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
2544;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;2
 
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## Borneo Island
## Total files: 7

DELETE:
borneo_yue.csv

Unchanged:
borneo_asian_minor.csv
borneo_javanfolk.csv
borneo_javansunni.csv
borneo_malayanfolk.csv
borneo_malayansunni.csv

add borneo_hakka.csv
2339;Hakka;Pagan;farmers;;;;3

add borneo_northern_min.csv
2322;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;5
2324;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
2325;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;3
2337;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
2339;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
 
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## Java Island
## Total files: 5

DELETE
java_yue (? does exist?)

Unchanged:
java_dutch.csv
java_javanfolk.csv
java_javanmahayana.csv
java_javansunni.csv

add java_northern_min.csv
2550;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;15
2548;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;10
2547;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;3
2545;Min;Pagan;farmers;;;;2
 
## Philippines
## Total files: 3

Unchanged:
philippines_catholic.csv
philippines_sunni.csv

add philippines_mestizo.csv (## Note: This uses an unused tag, renamed Mestizo for half-Chinese, half-Filipino who controlled all the trade and were very influential second only to pure Spanish and actually richer- if we don't choose to use this tag for this, it is easily changed to another, creole???)
2038;Malay;Catholic;farmers;;;;5
2039;Malay;Catholic;aristocrats;;;;1
2039;Malay;Catholic;capitalists;;;;4
2039;Malay;Catholic;clergymen;;;;2
2039;Malay;Catholic;clerks;;;;1
2039;Malay;Catholic;soldiers;;;;2
2039;Malay;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
2040;Malay;Catholic;farmers;;;;3
2040;Malay;Catholic;aristocrats;;;;2
2342;Malay;Catholic;clerks;;;;1
2342;Malay;Catholic;farmers;;;;1
 
Praetor said:
Hi, I've been following this thread for some time and I like to contribute some content to the POP mod. I just finished reworking the egyptian stats by including the jewish and coptic minorities and increased the population to its 1815 size of 4.5 million. Its based on a few historical atlases and historical demographic statistics that I happened to dug ip. I hope it helps. :)
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Your egyptian file looks really fascinating. However i have a question about Arab Sunni POP's; is there a chance there might be a Turkish Sunni minority among them? As far as i'm concerned, most statistics in Ottoman/Islamic tradition were based upon religion rather than ethnicity. So this might have overshadowed either Turkish or other possible minority groups.
 
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