No idea, there is only one event in the wiki ID treasury and I'm sure I already posted it for integration.Generalisimo said:the ones that you make me reserve for you... check the Events ID for more info.
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i meant this:Halibutt said:
AUS
111008 - January Uprising in Poland (by Halibutt)
111009 - Polish cause? (by Halibutt)
111010 - Alvensleben Convention (by Halibutt)
111011 - Independent Poland (by Halibutt)
ENG
157511 - January Uprising in Poland (by Halibutt)
157512 - Polish cause? (by Halibutt)
157513 - Independent Poland (by Halibutt)
FRA
162013 - January Uprising in Poland (by Halibutt)
162014 - Polish cause? (by Halibutt)
162015 - Independent Poland (by Halibutt)
162016 - Durez! (by Halibutt)
162017 - Durez! (by Halibutt)
GER
165000 - Polish cause? (by Halibutt)
165001 - Alvensleben Convention (by Halibutt)
165002 - Independent Poland (by Halibutt)
KRA
195001 - Independent Poland (by Halibutt)
PRU
247000 - Polish cause? (by Halibutt)
247001 - Alvensleben Convention (by Halibutt)
247002 - Independent Poland (by Halibutt)
RUS
251001 - Post-Sevastopolian Thaw (by Halibutt)
251002 - January Uprising (by Halibutt)
251003 - January Uprising (by Halibutt)
251004 - Alexanders speech in Warsaw (by Halibutt)
251005 - Italian way? (by Halibutt)
251006 to 251008 Aleksander Wielopolski (by Halibutt)
251009 to 251010 Street riots in Warsaw (by Halibutt)
251011 to 251012 Growing Unrest in Poland (by Halibutt)
251013 - November Uprising anniversary (by Halibutt)
251014 to 251015 Draft (by Halibutt)
251016 - Draft effects (by Halibutt)
251017 - Liberal government in Poland (by Halibutt)
251018 - January Uprising 2 (by Halibutt)
251019 - January Uprising 3 (by Halibutt)
251020 - January Uprising 4 (by Halibutt)
251021 - Fiodor Berg (by Halibutt)
251022 - Mikhail Muraviev (by Halibutt)
251023 - Alvensleben Convention (by Halibutt)
251024 - Great emigration (by Halibutt)
251025 - Mass resettlements (by Halibutt)
251026 - Apuhtin Night (by Halibutt)
251027 to 251028 End of January Uprising (by Halibutt)
TUR
279001 - January Uprising in Poland (by Halibutt)
279002 - Independent Poland (by Halibutt)
USA
304021 - January Uprising in Poland (by Halibutt)
304022 - Polish cause? (by Halibutt)
304023 - Independent Poland (by Halibutt)
you want more?
keep in mind that small minorities are ALWAYS assimilated in a matter of months (if not weeks...Tunch Khan said:
).so, be carefull.
Generalisimo said:keep in mind that small minorities are ALWAYS assimilated in a matter of months (if not weeks...
so, be carefull.
Well, these are the actual figures in Egypt as of today. So apparently they were large enough to stay intact.
Lycortas2 said:
Yes, the numbers you speak of sound approximatley correct to me. Perhaps the first one seems a bit low (unless it includes Vojvodina then it is a lot lower than the number I had in mind) and the second somewhat high, but they are in the frame I was thinking about. Although I have found few sources directly for 1830s and am mostly calculating backwards from later figures.
In the Balkans however people are touchier about proportionate ethnic disribution than about absolute numbers of combined popullations so I`ll throw a look at that.
Ok, I got my hands on what is Slavonia in the game. I understand somebody has modified theese POPs earlier. His work was improvment over original POPs, but mine are improvment over his. Probably not jet perfect though.
My thinking is:
slavonia_serb_orthodox.csv:
912;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;5
913;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;7
914;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;13
914;Serb;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;9
928;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;20
929;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;27
slavonia_croat_catholic.csv:
912;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;16
913;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;13
913;Croat;Catholic;clergymen;;;;8
929;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
914;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
slavonia_german_catholic.csv:
914;South_German;Catholic;farmers;;;;18
928;South_German;Catholic;farmers;;;;16
929;South_German;Catholic;farmers;;;;7
slavonia_hungarian_catholic.csv:
914;Hungarian;Catholic;farmers;;;;14
914;Hungarian;Catholic;clergymen;;;;10
928;Hungarian;Catholic;farmers;;;;8
slavonia_slovak_catholic.csv:
914;Slovak;Catholic;farmers;;;;8
slavonia_romanians_orthodox.csv:
928;Romanian;Orthodox;farmers;;;;9
As you can see I threw out Hungarian protestants (they just fragment Hungarian popullation and mean overally even smaller POPs) and brought Romanians into the picture. And balanced out proportions of ethnicities.
My thinking is:
slavonia_serb_orthodox.csv:
912;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;5
913;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;7
914;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;13
914;Serb;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;9
928;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;20
929;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;27
slavonia_croat_catholic.csv:
912;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;16
913;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;13
913;Croat;Catholic;clergymen;;;;8
929;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
914;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
slavonia_german_catholic.csv:
914;South_German;Catholic;farmers;;;;18
928;South_German;Catholic;farmers;;;;16
929;South_German;Catholic;farmers;;;;7
slavonia_hungarian_catholic.csv:
914;Hungarian;Catholic;farmers;;;;14
914;Hungarian;Catholic;clergymen;;;;10
928;Hungarian;Catholic;farmers;;;;8
slavonia_slovak_catholic.csv:
914;Slovak;Catholic;farmers;;;;8
slavonia_romanians_orthodox.csv:
928;Romanian;Orthodox;farmers;;;;9
As you can see I threw out Hungarian protestants (they just fragment Hungarian popullation and mean overally even smaller POPs) and brought Romanians into the picture. And balanced out proportions of ethnicities.
Slavonia
Yeah, the Slavonia was mine and i did it a few days after Vic came out, so it was a rush job just to lower Austria's numbers and rationalize the placement of special pops.
Mike
Yeah, the Slavonia was mine and i did it a few days after Vic came out, so it was a rush job just to lower Austria's numbers and rationalize the placement of special pops.
Mike
Clergy
Hrast,
I hope you don't mind some commentary;
I feel that you have to many clergy for the size of the overall pop.
The rule i am trying to use is put the clergy in the regional capital/most important province and limit the clergy to 4% to 9% of the total population of that ethnicity. I try to follow this for all special pops so we don't have 1,000,000 capitalists in Seoul in 1900.
Even in America today the proportion that i would label 'capitalist' would only be about 3%, maybe 4%.
This is just my impression, if some of our other esteemed members could chime in their opinions that would be great.
Your work does look much better than mine though!
Mike
Hrast,
I hope you don't mind some commentary;
I feel that you have to many clergy for the size of the overall pop.
The rule i am trying to use is put the clergy in the regional capital/most important province and limit the clergy to 4% to 9% of the total population of that ethnicity. I try to follow this for all special pops so we don't have 1,000,000 capitalists in Seoul in 1900.
Even in America today the proportion that i would label 'capitalist' would only be about 3%, maybe 4%.
This is just my impression, if some of our other esteemed members could chime in their opinions that would be great.
Your work does look much better than mine though!
Mike
Generalisimo said:@Praetor:
what i need to include all this is a reference to the files that actually exist that should be replaced with your new stuff.
If you want, send me the corrected files to my email address for an easy implementation (my mail is in my sig
Always remember to tell me the files that must be deleted, because if not, your files are going to be active and the old ones, creating HUGE disaster...
General,
my Indian, Afghan, Tripolitanian and Sri Lankan POPs should overwrite the originals as replacements. The Egyptian pops don't have to replace anything. So, I'll e-mail you the corrected files shortly.
great, that makes things easier...Praetor said:So, I'll e-mail you the corrected files shortly.
Ok, I added a note in the first post and the POP mod homepage that separate POP-mod-specific downloads will be discontinued and that we've been taken over by the VIP mod. As soon as VIP guys create their own site (Generalissimo, Żquieres que lo haga yo?) I'll post a link as well.
Lycortas2 said:
I haven`t gave any though to proprotions of clergy, but what you say makes perfect sense to me. I will halve the size of clergy POPs and submit the files.
Hi again Generalisimo,
now we have discussed several issues on Egyptian POP files and i have made a "little" more research on it, but now we have several different files that obviously duplicate eachother.
What do you suggest we do and how do we come to a compromise?
now we have discussed several issues on Egyptian POP files and i have made a "little" more research on it, but now we have several different files that obviously duplicate eachother.
What do you suggest we do and how do we come to a compromise?
you will have to clean those files before sending them... just send what it needs to be included... check the last version of VIP and base your work on that.Tunch Khan said:
Dalmatia:
751;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;16
907;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;21
907;croat;catholic;clergymen;;;;5
934;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;20
935;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;5
751;serb;orthodox;farmers;;;;4
935;serb;orthodox;farmers;;;;8
751;north_italian;catholic;aristocrats;;;;4
Istria:
770;slovene;catholic;farmers;;;;23
770;north_italian;catholic;farmers;;;;8
769;north_italian;catholic;craftsmen;;;;12
769;slovene;catholic;farmers;;;;8
757;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;31
757;north_italian;catholic;craftsmen;;;;3
Comments, before I submit the files?
751;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;16
907;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;21
907;croat;catholic;clergymen;;;;5
934;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;20
935;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;5
751;serb;orthodox;farmers;;;;4
935;serb;orthodox;farmers;;;;8
751;north_italian;catholic;aristocrats;;;;4
Istria:
770;slovene;catholic;farmers;;;;23
770;north_italian;catholic;farmers;;;;8
769;north_italian;catholic;craftsmen;;;;12
769;slovene;catholic;farmers;;;;8
757;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;31
757;north_italian;catholic;craftsmen;;;;3
Comments, before I submit the files?
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I noticed a bug in VIP - there's no Polish population of Krakow, Jews-only. Historically there were approximately 12.000 Jews there in 1836 (11,704 in the 1842 census, but Jews in Kazimierz tried to hide their children for tax reasons).
So I modified the habsburg_jewish.csv
And prepared some new, Cracow-specific files:
krakow_jewish.csv
krakow_jewish_polish.csv
and finally krakow_polish.csv
Cheers
So I modified the habsburg_jewish.csv
Code:
Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
898;Ashkenazic;Jewish;capitalists;;;;1
898;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
898;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;5
898;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;5
899;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
899;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
899;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
946;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
946;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
946;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
947;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
947;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;5
947;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;5
948;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
948;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
948;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
965;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
965;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;4
965;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;4
966;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;1
966;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;2
966;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;2
1004;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
1004;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
1004;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
1005;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
1005;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
1005;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
760;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
761;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
762;South_German;Jewish;capitalists;;;;1
762;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
762;South_German;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;3
763;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
775;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
733;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
734;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
900;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
951;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;4
952;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
952;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;8
952;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;8
953;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;4
954;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
955;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
731;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
732;Hungarian;Jewish;capitalists;;;;4
732;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
732;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;4
905;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
905;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;4
960;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;6
960;Hungarian;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;3
960;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;9
961;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
961;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;4
904;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
956;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
956;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
957;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
958;Hungarian;Jewish;capitalists;;;;4
958;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
958;Hungarian;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;3
958;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;6
959;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;8
959;Hungarian;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;4
959;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;8
901;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
901;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;4
902;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
752;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;5krakow_jewish.csv
Code:
Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
945;Ashkenazic;Jewish;capitalists;;;;1
945;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;2
Code:
Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
945;Polish;Jewish;farmers;;;;1
Code:
Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
945;Polish;Catholic;aristocrats;;;;1
945;Polish;Catholic;clergymen;;;;2
945;Polish;Catholic;clerks;;;;1
945;Polish;Catholic;craftsmen;;;;1
945;Polish;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
945;Polish;Catholic;farmers;;;;3Ok, since the POPs in VIP are a little messy I decided to continue with the project. I'll send the ready files to Generalissimo for integration.
NOTE: POP files above this line are listed on the first page!
_________________________________
Cheers
NOTE: POP files above this line are listed on the first page!
_________________________________
Where should these go? Are they a replacement or addition, and if so - what is the file?Praetor said:
Where exactly should these files go?Hrast said:
Cheers
Ok, the latest version (1.7) is out. Note that this version works only with VIP. You can download it HERE
Cheers
Cheers