POP - ready files

[Tunch Khan]

Egypt_turkish.csv

1323;Turkish;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;2
1323;Turkish;Sunni;officers;;;;4
1323;Turkish;Sunni;capitalists;;;;1
1323;Turkish;Sunni;clerks;;;;1
1323;Turkish;Sunni;craftsmen;;;;3
1363;Turkish;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;1

Egypt_grek.csv

1323;Greek;Orthodox;aristocrats;;;;1
1323;Greek;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;8
1323;Greek;Orthodox;capitalists;;;;3
1323;Greek;Orthodox;clerks;;;;2
1323;Greek;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;3
1363;Greek;Orthodox;capitalists;;;;2
1363;Greek;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;5
1363;Greek;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;6


again, these are suggestions as usual, please feel free to add your comments.

[Hrast]

I have revised my own work on POPs in Bosnia. Lowered popullation by 10% and got rid of craftsmen.


bosnia_orthodox.csv:

908;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;19
908;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;6
909;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;18
910;Serb;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;5
910;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;8
911;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;5
932;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;17
932;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;5
933;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;7
_________


bosnia_sunni.csv:

729;Croat;Sunni;farmers;;;;18
729;Croat;Sunni;soldiers;;;;7
910;Serb;Sunni;clergymen;;;;5
910;Serb;Sunni;soldiers;;;;8
910;Serb;Sunni;farmers;;;;8
910;Serb;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;9
911;Serb;Sunni;farmers;;;;20
932;Serb;Sunni;farmers;;;;9
933;Serb;Sunni;farmers;;;;6
__________


bosnia_catholic.csv:

908;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;6
909;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;11
910;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
911;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;6
933;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;5
933;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;13

[Lycortas2]

Hi all,

Tunch,

What? No Luxembourgian Turks?
Dammit what do we pay you for?

The Egypt stuff looks good, did you mean to have two Greek Orthodox Clergy in 1363? Was there much of a Greek aristocratic community in Egypt? I am not doubting you i just didn't know.

Hraast,
the figures for Bosnia look good! I can't really help with Serbia; that is just beyond my area. The closest i get is Albania, Greece, Ottoman balkans and Bulgaria. I have a total figure for Serbia of 2.6m including Yugoslav Macedonia. Of course, at this point in time Macedonia was Bulgarian/Albanian/Turk/Serb/Greek. The numbers for Macedonia that i have are less than .5m people so Serbia should have about 2m with the remainder in Montenegro. Unfortunately some of my sources are very imprecise about the balkans.
I show about 3m pop in Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Dalmatia, etc.
Does that sound about right to you? I agree with getting rid of some craftsmen/clerks as the Paradox default was very vanilla. The hard truth was that some provinces in Europe did not have any significant industrial development. I have heard one figure that said 50% of the Austrian Industrial strength was in the Pola peninsula & Bohemia.

Mike

[Generalisimo]

I have revised my own work on POPs in Bosnia. Lowered popullation by 10% and got rid of craftsmen.


bosnia_orthodox.csv:

908;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;19
908;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;6
909;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;18
910;Serb;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;5
910;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;8
911;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;5
932;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;17
932;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;5
933;Serb;Orthodox;farmers;;;;7
_________


bosnia_sunni.csv:

729;Croat;Sunni;farmers;;;;18
729;Croat;Sunni;soldiers;;;;7
910;Serb;Sunni;clergymen;;;;5
910;Serb;Sunni;soldiers;;;;8
910;Serb;Sunni;farmers;;;;8
910;Serb;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;9
911;Serb;Sunni;farmers;;;;20
932;Serb;Sunni;farmers;;;;9
933;Serb;Sunni;farmers;;;;6
__________


bosnia_catholic.csv:

908;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;6
909;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;11
910;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
911;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;6
933;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;5
933;Croat;Catholic;farmers;;;;13

implemented in VIP.

[Tunch Khan]

The Egypt stuff looks good, did you mean to have two Greek Orthodox Clergy in 1363? Was there much of a Greek aristocratic community in Egypt? I am not doubting you i just didn't know.

Well, please don't stone me to death but on contrary to my previous hard study and work on other POP files, i made the Egyptian files up. The numbers are small so the effects should only be marginal.
I asked for help, but nothing came out from you and i'm so busy to start another deep research.
The Egyptian Greek aristoctracy which i invented is a dedication to Konstantinos Kavafis.
The Turkish aristocracy is something i came up with after my travels to Alexandria and Qairo, when any "upper-class" Egyptian that i have personally met has a Turkish background.(or so they said)

Admit it, it just looks better and satisfactory. Please feel free to make a research and update my numbers. Thanks.

[Generalisimo]

Well, please don't stone me to death but on contrary to my previous hard study and work on other POP files, i made the Egyptian files up. The numbers are small so the effects should only be marginal.
I asked for help, but nothing came out from you and i'm so busy to start another deep research.
The Egyptian Greek aristoctracy which i invented is a dedication to Konstantinos Kavafis.
The Turkish aristocracy is something i came up with after my travels to Alexandria and Qairo, when any "upper-class" Egyptian that i have personally met has a Turkish background.(or so they said)

Admit it, it just looks better and satisfactory. Please feel free to make a research and update my numbers. Thanks.

well,
1323;Greek;Orthodox;aristocrats;;;;1
1323;Greek;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;8
1323;Greek;Orthodox;capitalists;;;;3
1323;Greek;Orthodox;clerks;;;;2
1323;Greek;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;3
1363;Greek;Orthodox;capitalists;;;;2
1363;Greek;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;5
1363;Greek;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;6

i think that these are not "small numbers", 8 clergymen in 1323 and 11 in 1363.
Also, why capitalists? couldn't aristocrats be a better choice?

[Halibutt]

implemented in VIP.

All right, I finally have some time. But is the POP mod still needed?

[Generalisimo]

All right, I finally have some time. But is the POP mod still needed?

I think not, I can integrate the changes that people send to VIP without a problem...
Probably we will do some double work if this continues...

EDITED: by the way, you owe me some events!!!

[Lycortas2]

Hi all,

Do we want to go over to my VIP pop thread for continued discussion?

I would like to avoid having each individual area in their thread as then the pop info gets lost among the events.

Mike

[Halibutt]

I think not, I can integrate the changes that people send to VIP without a problem...
Probably we will do some double work if this continues...

All right then. From now on I'll stop updating the first post in this thread with new data. Thank you all for the great job you did for the POP mod and I hope we will soon have a - even better - VIP-POP pattern.

EDITED: by the way, you owe me some events!!!

Any details?
Cheers

[Tunch Khan]

i think that these are not "small numbers", 8 clergymen in 1323 and 11 in 1363.
Also, why capitalists? couldn't aristocrats be a better choice?

Hi Generalissimo, please feel free to make necessary changes. These are supposed to be flavor POPs until someone comes up with a proper research.

[Generalisimo]

Any details?
Cheers

the ones that you make me reserve for you... check the Events ID for more info.

[Generalisimo]

Hi Generalissimo, please feel free to make necessary changes. These are supposed to be flavor POPs until someone comes up with a proper research.

i will use a post of another person:

While the POP distribution is more accurate it does cause some problems. Most places are awash with clergy and capitalists (not in absolute numbers, but in numbers of individual POPS) who have cummulative and static NON-SCALING bonuses. Having 4 provinces with 1000 clergy provides 4X the benefit of having one province with 4000 clergy. Johan has shown no interest in making modifiers scale in a linear fashion, so this is a fairly large problem...My guess is that with the current settings FAR/LAB/SOL will never ever get a con above 0.

see? that's what you are creating when you add all those POPs...
this problem also appears in other POPs, it is not only your problem.

[Praetor]

Hi Generalissimo, please feel free to make necessary changes. These are supposed to be flavor POPs until someone comes up with a proper research.

Oh, I see that the POP forum is active again. I've been working on some new POPs that I like to contribute. Tunch, according to Penguin Atlas of Diasporas, there seems that there were about 100,000 Greeks in Egypt during the mid to late 19th Century. Many of them were involved in the cotton industry. In addition, there were about 30,000 Armenian, mostly merchants as well.

This is based on these estimates:

1323;Greek;Orthodox;clerks;;;;1
1323;Greek;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;1
1363;Greek;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;2
1363;Greek;Orthodox;capitalists;;;;8
1363;Greek;Orthodox;clerks;;;;2
1363;Greek;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;4
1363;Greek;Orthodox;farmers;;;;1
1846;Greek;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;1
1363;Greek;Orthodox;farmers;;;;5

1323;Armenian;Orthodox;clerks;;;;1
1323;Armenian;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;1
1323;Armenian;Orthodox;clergymen;;;;2
1323;Armenian;Orthodox;capitalists;;;;2
1363;Armenian;Orthodox;clerks;;;;2
1363;Armenian;Orthodox;craftsmen;;;;1
1323;Armenian;Orthodox;farmers;;;;1

I also made a more realistic POP size for Tripolitania:

1309;Arabic;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;3
1309;Arabic;Sunni;officers;;;;1
1309;Arabic;Sunni;clergymen;;;;3
1309;Arabic;Sunni;clerks;;;;1
1309;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;33
1309;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;6
1309;Arabic;Sunni;slaves;;;;2
1310;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;9
1310;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;1
1311;Arabic;Sunni;clerks;;;;1
1311;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;22
1311;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;4
1311;Arabic;Sunni;slaves;;;;1
1342;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;17
1342;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;3
1342;Arabic;Sunni;slaves;;;;1
1345;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;14
1345;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;2
1345;Arabic;Sunni;slaves;;;;1
1346;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;9
1346;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;1
1309;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;15

Praetor

[Generalisimo]

can you add the file where we should put that?
thanks.

[Praetor]

I heard that the POP mod with be merged with VIP, so I'll get some more POPs in before that happens:

Kalat-

1468;Baluchi;Shiite;soldiers;;;;1
1468;Baluchi;Shiite;farmers;;;;30
1468;Baluchi;Shiite;labourers;;;;8
1469;Baluchi;Shiite;aristocrats;;;;6
1469;Baluchi;Shiite;officers;;;;3
1469;Baluchi;Shiite;clergymen;;;;3
1469;Baluchi;Shiite;soldiers;;;;1
1469;Baluchi;Shiite;farmers;;;;30
1469;Baluchi;Shiite;labourers;;;;8
1469;Baluchi;Shiite;farmers;;;;7

1485;Pashtun;Sunni;clerks;;;;1
1485;Pashtun;Sunni;soldiers;;;;1
1485;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;40
1485;Pashtun;Sunni;labourers;;;;11

Fot that western province of the Northwest Frontier under Kashmiri control

1478;Pashtun;Sunni;soldiers;;;;3
1478;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;51
1478;Pashtun;Sunni;labourers;;;;13

Rest of Kashmir

1478;Panjabi;Sunni;clerks;;;;1
1478;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;40
1478;Panjabi;Sunni;labourers;;;;12
1488;Panjabi;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;6
1488;Panjabi;Sunni;clergymen;;;;2
1488;Panjabi;Sunni;soldiers;;;;3
1488;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;80
1488;Panjabi;Sunni;labourers;;;;25
1488;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;6

1488;Panjabi;Hindu;aristocrats;;;;4
1488;Panjabi;Hindu;officers;;;;2
1488;Panjabi;Hindu;clerks;;;;1
1488;Panjabi;Hindu;farmers;;;;11

An early draft of Punjab though the western half should be more Muslim, while the east more Hindu. But since there Sikhs are not included in game, they'll be placed with the hindu pop, so I'm still working on this.

1463;Panjabi;Hindu;clerks;;;;2
1463;Panjabi;Hindu;soldiers;;;;3
1463;Panjabi;Hindu;farmers;;;;32
1463;Panjabi;Hindu;labourers;;;;22
1479;Panjabi;Hindu;clerks;;;;1
1479;Panjabi;Hindu;soldiers;;;;2
1479;Panjabi;Hindu;farmers;;;;46
1479;Panjabi;Hindu;labourers;;;;13
1480;Panjabi;Hindu;clerks;;;;1
1480;Panjabi;Hindu;soldiers;;;;2
1480;Panjabi;Hindu;farmers;;;;46
1480;Panjabi;Hindu;labourers;;;;13
1481;Panjabi;Hindu;clerks;;;;1
1481;Panjabi;Hindu;soldiers;;;;2
1481;Panjabi;Hindu;farmers;;;;56
1481;Panjabi;Hindu;labourers;;;;13
1489;Panjabi;Hindu;aristocrats;;;;42
1489;Panjabi;Hindu;officers;;;;10
1489;Panjabi;Hindu;clergymen;;;;10
1489;Panjabi;Hindu;clerks;;;;1
1489;Panjabi;Hindu;soldiers;;;;3
1489;Panjabi;Hindu;farmers;;;;71
1489;Panjabi;Hindu;labourers;;;;20
1495;Panjabi;Hindu;clerks;;;;1
1495;Panjabi;Hindu;soldiers;;;;2
1495;Panjabi;Hindu;farmers;;;;46
1495;Panjabi;Hindu;labourers;;;;13
1489;Panjabi;Hindu;farmers;;;;13

1463;Panjabi;Sunni;soldiers;;;;8
1463;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;123
1463;Panjabi;Sunni;labourers;;;;41
1479;Panjabi;Sunni;soldiers;;;;3
1479;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;57
1479;Panjabi;Sunni;labourers;;;;19
1480;Panjabi;Sunni;soldiers;;;;3
1480;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;57
1480;Panjabi;Sunni;labourers;;;;19
1481;Panjabi;Sunni;soldiers;;;;3
1481;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;57
1481;Panjabi;Sunni;labourers;;;;19
1489;Panjabi;Sunni;soldiers;;;;3
1489;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;57
1489;Panjabi;Sunni;labourers;;;;19
1495;Panjabi;Sunni;soldiers;;;;4
1495;Panjabi;Sunni;farmers;;;;65
1495;Panjabi;Sunni;labourers;;;;21

Unfortunately, the merging of Hindu and Sikh Punjabis inflates the size of the Hindu POP.

I have the same problem with Bengal, by not making West Bengal majority Hindu and East Bengal Muslim. Included is that fix on the Andaman Islands.

1913;Bengali;Sunni;clerks;;;;4
1913;Bengali;Sunni;soldiers;;;;12
1913;Bengali;Sunni;farmers;;;;279
1913;Bengali;Sunni;labourers;;;;81
1967;Bengali;Sunni;clerks;;;;4
1967;Bengali;Sunni;soldiers;;;;12
1967;Bengali;Sunni;farmers;;;;279
1967;Bengali;Sunni;labourers;;;;81
1968;Bengali;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;126
1968;Bengali;Sunni;officers;;;;25
1968;Bengali;Sunni;clergymen;;;;25
1968;Bengali;Sunni;clerks;;;;9
1968;Bengali;Sunni;soldiers;;;;27
1968;Bengali;Sunni;farmers;;;;629
1968;Bengali;Sunni;labourers;;;;182
1969;Bengali;Sunni;clerks;;;;4
1969;Bengali;Sunni;soldiers;;;;12
1969;Bengali;Sunni;farmers;;;;279
1969;Bengali;Sunni;labourers;;;;81
1989;Asian_Minor;Pagan;farmers;;;;3
1990;Bengali;Sunni;clerks;;;;4
1990;Bengali;Sunni;soldiers;;;;12
1990;Bengali;Sunni;farmers;;;;279
1990;Bengali;Sunni;labourers;;;;81
1968;Bengali;Sunni;farmers;;;;6

1913;Bengali;Hindu;clerks;;;;4
1913;Bengali;Hindu;soldiers;;;;13
1913;Bengali;Hindu;farmers;;;;303
1913;Bengali;Hindu;labourers;;;;87
1967;Bengali;Hindu;clerks;;;;4
1967;Bengali;Hindu;soldiers;;;;13
1967;Bengali;Hindu;farmers;;;;303
1967;Bengali;Hindu;labourers;;;;87
1968;Bengali;Hindu;aristocrats;;;;137
1968;Bengali;Hindu;officers;;;;27
1968;Bengali;Hindu;clergymen;;;;27
1968;Bengali;Hindu;clerks;;;;9
1968;Bengali;Hindu;soldiers;;;;29
1968;Bengali;Hindu;farmers;;;;681
1968;Bengali;Hindu;labourers;;;;197
1969;Bengali;Hindu;clerks;;;;4
1969;Bengali;Hindu;soldiers;;;;13
1969;Bengali;Hindu;farmers;;;;303
1969;Bengali;Hindu;labourers;;;;87
1990;Bengali;Hindu;clerks;;;;4
1990;Bengali;Hindu;soldiers;;;;13
1990;Bengali;Hindu;farmers;;;;303
1990;Bengali;Hindu;labourers;;;;87
1968;Bengali;Hindu;farmers;;;;10

[Halibutt]

Gosh, I thought I already posted them for integration a long time ago...

[Praetor]

Hi General, would you mind if you could place these in the VIP? I have the last batch of POPs to post. Thanks.

Sinhalese Buddhists-
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;aristocrats;;;;5
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;officers;;;;2
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;clergymen;;;;2
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;clerks;;;;1
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;soldiers;;;;2
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;farmers;;;;94
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;labourers;;;;34
2280;Sinhala;Theravada;soldiers;;;;1
2280;Sinhala;Theravada;farmers;;;;60
2280;Sinhala;Theravada;labourers;;;;22
2281;Sinhala;Theravada;farmers;;;;17
2281;Sinhala;Theravada;labourers;;;;6
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;farmers;;;;8

Tamil Hindus-
2279;Tamil;Hindu;farmers;;;;1
2279;Tamil;Hindu;labourers;;;;1
2280;Tamil;Hindu;farmers;;;;8
2280;Tamil;Hindu;labourers;;;;5
2281;Tamil;Hindu;aristocrats;;;;1
2281;Tamil;Hindu;clergymen;;;;1
2281;Tamil;Hindu;farmers;;;;23
2281;Tamil;Hindu;labourers;;;;16
2281;Tamil;Hindu;farmers;;;;7

Ceylon Muslims-
2279;Arabic;Sunni;clergymen;;;;1
2279;Arabic;Sunni;clerks;;;;1
2279;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;19
2279;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;4
2280;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;3
2279;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;1

Ceylon Christians-
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;aristocrats;;;;2
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;officers;;;;1
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;clergymen;;;;1
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;clerks;;;;1
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;farmers;;;;4
2281;Sinhala;Protestant;clerks;;;;1
2281;Sinhala;Protestant;farmers;;;;3
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;farmers;;;;5

Angolan Portuguese colonists-
2490;Portuguese;Catholic;aristocrats;;;;1

A fix for Sakhalin which should be Ainu instead of Manchu!
495;Manchu;Mahayana;farmers;;;;21
495;Manchu;Mahayana;labourers;;;;1
1107;Manchu;Mahayana;craftsmen;;;;1
1107;Manchu;Mahayana;soldiers;;;;1
1107;Manchu;Mahayana;farmers;;;;74
1107;Manchu;Mahayana;labourers;;;;6
1108;Manchu;Mahayana;aristocrats;;;;44
1108;Manchu;Mahayana;officers;;;;3
1108;Manchu;Mahayana;clergymen;;;;6
1108;Manchu;Mahayana;craftsmen;;;;1
1108;Manchu;Mahayana;soldiers;;;;1
1108;Manchu;Mahayana;farmers;;;;85
1108;Manchu;Mahayana;labourers;;;;7
1109;Manchu;Mahayana;craftsmen;;;;1
1109;Manchu;Mahayana;soldiers;;;;1
1109;Manchu;Mahayana;farmers;;;;90
1109;Manchu;Mahayana;labourers;;;;8
1116;Manchu;Mahayana;craftsmen;;;;1
1116;Manchu;Mahayana;soldiers;;;;1
1116;Manchu;Mahayana;farmers;;;;69
1116;Manchu;Mahayana;labourers;;;;6
1117;Manchu;Mahayana;craftsmen;;;;1
1117;Manchu;Mahayana;soldiers;;;;1
1117;Manchu;Mahayana;farmers;;;;74
1117;Manchu;Mahayana;labourers;;;;6
1118;Manchu;Mahayana;craftsmen;;;;1
1118;Manchu;Mahayana;soldiers;;;;1
1118;Manchu;Mahayana;farmers;;;;74
1118;Manchu;Mahayana;labourers;;;;6
1108;Manchu;Mahayana;farmers;;;;18

491;Ainu;Pagan;farmers;;;;1
1124;Ainu;Pagan;farmers;;;;2
1124;Ainu;Pagan;labourers;;;;1

Finally, the Pashtuns, Tajiks and Uzbeks of Afghanistan are Sunni, not Shiite.
1477;Uzbehk;Sunni;farmers;;;;5
1477;Uzbehk;Sunni;farmers;;;;2

1466;Tajihk;Sunni;farmers;;;;64
1467;Tajihk;Sunni;farmers;;;;90
1470;Tajihk;Sunni;farmers;;;;35
1476;Tajihk;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;20
1476;Tajihk;Sunni;officers;;;;20
1476;Tajihk;Sunni;clergymen;;;;40
1476;Tajihk;Sunni;farmers;;;;61
1477;Tajihk;Sunni;farmers;;;;35
1486;Tajihk;Sunni;farmers;;;;38
1476;Tajihk;Sunni;farmers;;;;2

1466;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;17
1467;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;28
1470;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;60
1475;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;49
1476;Pashtun;Sunni;aristocrats;;;;22
1476;Pashtun;Sunni;officers;;;;22
1476;Pashtun;Sunni;clergymen;;;;44
1476;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;116
1486;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;81
1476;Pashtun;Sunni;farmers;;;;3

Thanks everybody and good luck on VIP.

[Tunch Khan]

i will use a post of another person:

see? that's what you are creating when you add all those POPs...
this problem also appears in other POPs, it is not only your problem.

Well, then apparently the Egyptian POP files have to be fixed.

The Egyptian population today has significant Armenian, Greek, Italian and Turkish elements that has to be implemented somehow:

- Egypt 2000 -

Egyptian Arab : 38,782,000
Upper Egyptian Arab : 18,329,000
Sudanese Arab : 3,734,000
Nubian : 1,594,000
Bedoin : 1,396,000
Arabized Berber : 1,358,000
Gypsy : 1,357,000
Arab : 272,000
Armenian : 135,000
Yemeni Arab : 134,000
British : 89,000
Greek : 81,000
Italian : 76,000
French : 64,000
Turk : 34,000
Albanian : 20,000
and Others

Now the facts,

- due to historic circumstances, Jews have left Egypt in mass exodus before/during the 20th century wars.

- the British, French and most of Italian population have migrated to Egypt long after British occupation.

- some of the Armenians must have moved to egypt after 1915 events from Eastern Anatolia.

- Some of the original Greeks must have moved back to Greece or to other countries.

- a huge chunk of Turkish population must have moved to Turkey and again, a huge part of them must have been assimilated through inter-marriages since they share the same religion with local population. Egypt was the richest and one of the most prosperous states of the Ottoman Empire and there was a significant Ottoman population ruling Egypt. Furthermore, Turks were the ruling class in Egypt even long before the Ottomans. The Mameluks did not just disappear overnight. (Tolunoglu State before the Mameluk reign was ruling Egypt since 12th century, whom were also Turks.)


So with the above numbers, for 1836 i would project:

- a little less Armenian population than the figure above to be added.
- more Greek population than the figure above to be added.
- way more Turkish population than the figure above to be added.
- way less Italian population than the figure above to be added.
- a significant Jewish population to be added. (there were still 78,000 jews in 1948)

Ok, now please let me know what you think and we decide how to implement them.

[Generalisimo]

@Praetor:
what i need to include all this is a reference to the files that actually exist that should be replaced with your new stuff.
If you want, send me the corrected files to my email address for an easy implementation (my mail is in my sig ).
Always remember to tell me the files that must be deleted, because if not, your files are going to be active and the old ones, creating HUGE disaster...