Please... why?Originally posted by Ladislav
remember that the "The King farts in the bathtub" event precipitated the end of the SOmme offensive, what did Portugal do?
im sure as new patches come in Portugal will get more and more events.
btw Yozhik; you SHOULD conquer Brazil, for old times' sake!
"Pink map"?Originally posted by Gwalcmai
That's what Alexandru H. told me. No event file for Portugal.
Good progress, Yozhik. Going for the "pink map", huh? Good one. As for conquest, the spanish might be the better first target, to avoid the naval problems. OTOH, there are plenty of portuguese in Brasil so pacifying it should be less of a problem.
Spanish are useful as a buffer. That's how they worked in EU2, that's how they will work this time. Portugal can't afford a major land war, can it? So it's better off warming relations with Spanish and British and French without European conquests...
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The "pink map" (o mapa-cor-de-rosa) was Portugal's project of creating a corridor linking its posessions in Angola to those in Mozambique. This conflicted with the British plan of linking Egypt to South Africa, so after the British threatened with war, the Portuguese had to back down. A very unpopular move among the Portuguese population, to say the least...
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I personally think that Victoria ( and EU for that matter ) should be light on events. HOI on the other hand, occuring on a relatively short span of time is different though. IMO most events should be concentrated in the first few years after the scenario starts ( where player action would have less of a chance of affecting reality ).
Despite it's shaky finances at start Portugal is relatively easy to play because you can always count on maintaining good relations with Britain ( which is what happened IRL with the brief exception of the pink map incident ).
If I were to play Portugal I would:
1 - Keep education investment at maximum no matter what.
2 - Disband most of the Navy and cut on maintenance
3 - Conquer Zululand, the Boer States ASAP ( check their alliances before declaring war ). You will be able to merge Zululand and the Boer States into a South African province which you will be able to industrialise.
4 - Keep colonizing in southern Africa without antagonizing the other colonial powers there.
5 - Other possible avenues for expansion are North Africa: resources aren't very good there, but they're close to home and they can provide you with manpower and leadership which is good after all.
6 - Industrialise as much as possible even if this means having next to no soldier, farmer or labourer POPs in european Portugal.
What Notger said. Apparently, you're doing it a lot sooner, so the brits can just sail from Cape to Cairo.Originally posted by Yozhik
"Pink map"?
Nah, take out Spain, and France can be your buffer.
Spanish are useful as a buffer. That's how they worked in EU2, that's how they will work this time. Portugal can't afford a major land war, can it? So it's better off warming relations with Spanish and British and French without European conquests...
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It ended abruptly in the middle of nowhere; would not pick again.
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Well, lucky for me, Britain has been extremely busy in America. We're talking no prestige gain, no colonization. USA and Britain just went at it with each other.
And there is a problem with disbanding the Navy. It's very hard to build it back up. You need artillery, and without prestige getting it is virtually impossible. Did I mention having to wait the whole 1836 looking for a single machine part or glass?
In September 1848 UK offered Portugal a full alliance. Unwilling to commit, Portugal refused. War exhaustion is very hard on a country; the best witness to that is US infrastructure that in the end of 1849 had only 9 railroaded provinces more than in the beginning of the game.US is typically covered with tracks long before 1849, so are major UK colonies. Neither happened in this hame. Portugal had level 2 railroads on all of the European provinces save one.
By October 1848 22.9% of Portuguese citizens were socialist. This has come out of nowhere; I was seriously considering adding more social reforms. Currently I only had one at the lowest level. Another African region was claimed; at this point Portuguese Africa consisted of Angola (6 provinces, 3 more than in 1836), Mocambique (9, 3 more than 1836), Malawiland (1), and Northern Rhodesia (4). Interestingly enough, this time Malawiland stayed independent; it tends to "blend" into Mocambique when claimed. May this be a timing issue? Now that Portugal owned an uninterruptible chain of land from coast to coast, a railroad was pondered. Perhaps Sao Paolo de Loanda (coffee at 4.0) - Kabinda (cattle at 1.3) - Livingstone (cattle at 1.3) - Bornma (cattle at 1.3) - Zandia (grain at 1.5) - Sofala (tobacco at 1.5)?
In January 1849 I found out that perhaps spawning unlimited POPs does not work after all? My Timor POP of 31 laborer disappeared while the other ones kept on growing marginally. That still does not explain where did 2 Aristocrat POPs go from Timor. Perhaps I ought to do a detailed demographic analysis in 1851. Elsewhere in the world, Persia was being plagued by many revolts, with half of its country under rebel control. UK was slowly taking back parts of Canada, owning about 10 provinces. USA's war exhaustion was 22.0% and it was curious to see what would happen in 1861. UK's exhaustion was 3.9% - difference due to size? economy? technology? USA did not have that many more wars than UK...
In March 1849 in addition to level 1 healthcare level 1 minimum wages were added. The socialists dropped to 22.1% of population - thanks to the new colonies in Africa. Still, this was very concerning. In a private conversation, Portuguese monarch vowed not to take a single European province in the next 10 years, but rather concentrate on uneducated farmers of the Black Continent.
In May 1849 level 1 safety was added. There were now 3 policies, all at level 1.
By June 1849 less than 10% of Portuguese were socialist.
In September 1849 Germany took control of NGF. Portugal started recruiting 3 new divisions. Like the previous 7, all of these came from the European homeland. The colonial race for Tanganyika was on, the only region Portugal was not 100% sure to get. Perhaps it was foolish to start, with French being really close. Perhaps.
In October Portugal learned that failed diplomatic deals (of the kind when 95% does seem like a good chance, until the wrong 5% is picked) cost in relations.
In November Portugal learned that "1 clerk for 1 craftsman" rule means "2 clerks for every 3 craftsmen". In other words, a fully stocked level 3 factory could take only 6 clerks. A scandal in Faro involving "overclerking" production was hushed down by local authorities.
As of the end of 1849, a good look at economy showed that small arms were slowly declining in price, yet the level 3 6 clerk / 9 craftsmen factory in Lisboa on top of a level 2 regionwide railroad still turned 200 gold a day of pure profit. Cans were still hanging there, whereas producing wine and liquor has become totally unprofitable: level 1 2 clerk / 3 craftsmen factory in Oporto on top of a level 2 regionwide railroad turned 13 gold of profit a day. It was decided that the region shall host some more advanced factories when available. Prestige of 251 (5th in the world) definitely helped in most cases - but not all. If not for a barely profitable glass factory, I could have forgotten about colonization altogether. Forever. (Portuguese colonization strategy was Missions only to keep natives peaceful).
By mid-march of 1849 all social reforms were at level 1. That did drop the socialist voters down to 6.8%, although 22.1% of population were socialist. Since Portuguese voting is based on wealth, it is very interesting to observe the phenomena of rich socialists. Elsewhere in the world: UK was winning back Canada. Almost all of Quebec was British. USA's war exhaustion was up to 30%! Portuguese army was up to 10 divisions, 7 stationed in Portuguese Africa, 3 in Lisboa. With several technologies developed, the fire values were up to 5 for a no-brigade infantry (3 in 1836).
1850 flew by in a snap. In June level 2 wages were initiated in hopes of attracting some of the war-weary POPs of UK and USA. Speaking of which, UK was knocking on Ontario's gates, took Portland. USA's war attrition was up to 31.4%
On September 9, 1850 Portugal claimed Southern Rhodesia (4 provinces). Aside from Katanga (late 1850, 3 provinces), Swaziland (mid 1851, 1 province), and - potentially - Tanganyika (approximately 1856, 7 provinces), this was the extent of Portuguese colonialism. 306 prestige, 6th in the world. But still a Great Power.
Socialist voting population rose up to 7.1% despite the expansion, however.
On October 26, 1850 Boston fell to the advancing UK armies. Portugal parliament has briefly pondered jumping in to reap the spoils.
On December 1, 1850 Katanga (3 provinces) was claimed. 368 prestige - 4th in the world. 2 new divisions (Infantry Engineers) were initiated.
Screenshots of 1-1-1851:
Africa: 2 major French colonies, 1 huge Portuguese. Swedish colony completing in Angola (5 buildings completed, 2 under way, 1 empty province). Note that the American war is costing UK a lot. It costs it time, and what is more important than time?
Who cares about Mexico? Get those Englanders off our backs!
Railroads are not for everyone.
Goes without saying.
This must be one bad dream: all of those light yellow provinces are controlled by China. I wonder how would Chinese have fought the Sikh rebellion...
So, British can lose every now and then after all?
On June 3, 1851 New York fell. Portuguese were too busy claiming Swaziland to notice.
On August 12, 1851 the TransAfrican railroad was completed. Designed to ease troop transportation, it still touched the richer of the possible provinces.
On February 28, 1852 British burned Washington. What was Harrison's book about British attacking CSA in 1862, with CSA and Union allying against them?
On March 5, 1852 I noticed that I now have three parties.
Socialists now comprised 23.9% of population. Disappointed, I increased my social reforms even more.
In the meantime, for reasons yet unknown to me, a total of 4 workers left factories to revert to farmers and laborers - all of them former clerks! With some grumbling, taxes were raised for lower classes to bring them in line with the middle ones, hopefully solving the problem.
On April 27, 1852 I finally realized that workers run away from barely profitable factories. Interesting... 4 new factories (steamers, fertilizer, artillery, explosives) were going to take care of that. Ironically, the first one of them was going to arrive in a month in a province where desertion was not an issue, whereas elsewhere it was going to take a year.
By August 1852 it was clear: Steamers and Clippers are the way to go. If you have enough prestige to snatch the necessary and rare fabric and coal off the market, of course. In colonies, a massive conscription was initiated to ensure that my army - 14 divisions - could go to full manpower in seconds. An interesting phenomena of splitting POPs was observed in one colony, where I suddenly had several new farmers, but I could not explain that. No migration, definitely. No natural growth, too early.
Unless... unless what I'm having is a massive exodus of upper classes. They drop down a level, and then they get assimilated. A POP of 100 and a POP of 10000 make a POP of 10100. But no, my capitalists in Lisboa kept on growing in size. Perhaps the historical trend? You strip aristocrats off their money, and they go poor, then they drop a class, then they disappear.
Late 1852 and early 1853 were very frantic. Adding up reforms, changing rules (e.g., unions, parties). It was all about ensuring that no POP gets militant and that immigration is likely. I am definitely learning a lot from my first game...
In February of 1853 UK finally settle for peace with USA. USA lost five provinces, among them Detroit and Bangor.
By May 1853 tax for middle classes has dropped to 20% (Portugal starts with 30% in 1836), universal suffrage was granted among other things.
Yet still some POPs were very militant. Perhaps issues are the key? If they differ in their thinking from the way the state is, of course there are going to be problems.
But I shall not tolerate disobedience.
The unruly will be converted into soldiers.
Hopefully, it won't come to that.
Or.
Hopefully, that'll solve the problem.
*yawn* you arn't conquering anything yet..
na just playing, its been a fun read
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great aar! the political part is actully exciting! i will be getting the game tomorrow too!!! invade spain. have the portuguese empire claim the world
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What a turnaround in America!
You should declare war on UK to take some pressure off the USA and maybe take over their African colonies
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Well, maybe I'm not, but look where it got me. #7 in the world. +343 gold daily balance (!). Top producer of small arms in the world. Soon-to-be top producer of steam convoys in the world.Originally posted by skkrrt
*yawn* you arn't conquering anything yet..
na just playing, its been a fun read
I need to build up a lot before I can attack. It is not enough to look at 5 division Brazil and compare them to your 14. Because UK (France, China) always has 200. And it might look at you.
cant you just take a little chunk out of Spain.. for me...pleaseOriginally posted by Yozhik
Well, maybe I'm not, but look where it got me. #7 in the world. +343 gold daily balance (!). Top producer of small arms in the world. Soon-to-be top producer of steam convoys in the world.
I need to build up a lot before I can attack. It is not enough to look at 5 division Brazil and compare them to your 14. Because UK (France, China) always has 200. And it might look at you.
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Spain: 25 divisions.
Portugal: 14...
Ummm...
No
In the late 1853 the colonial rush was over. Portugal did get Tanganyika (or will get it as soon as the structures finish up building), but that was all it was going to get. So the attention of Portuguese turned to military.
Defensive spending was maxed out, allowing for decent leaders to be recruited. Border fortifications were initiated in the European provinces. More men were conscripted into service in Africa.
By mid-1854 there were level 1 forts constructed on all European provinces of Portugal, each of them manned by an Infrantry Engineer division (it can dig in up to 60, as opposed to regular 20). All infantry without brigades had been shipped to Africa.
By mid-1855 Portuguese forces were on full alerts and were comprised of:
- 10 Inf-E divisions in Portuguese mainland
- 1 Inf-H division in Portuguese India (Goa)
- 3 Inf divisions in Portuguese West Africa (Bissao, Kap Verde, Sao Tome)
- 1 Inf division in Portuguese West Indies (Timor)
- 6 Inf divisions in Portguese South Africa (Angola, Mozambique, Rhodesia)
By February 1856 5 Inf-A divisions joined them.
Now all Portugal needed was a target...
I presume Portugal still has Macoa?
Very good AAR. It is heartening to see how deleterious that long war was for the UK.
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Yay for portugal! I was really surprised when they too offered me a defensive alliance, but it was all good fun in the end - I renewed the alliance and got to launch amphibious landings in the Crimea while poor footsore Russkies tried to catch my 3 divisions. Keep up the good work!
Wouldn't you mean offensive spending, man?Defensive spending was maxed out
What is Inf-H?
And... you have a target, man... Brazil, for sure! Annex it for me!
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