Shouldn't that innovative change be too much expecially for Papal States during a period of time where obscurantism was at its best? Maybe a little infra boost woud be better suited.
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Shouldn't that innovative change be too much expecially for Papal States during a period of time where obscurantism was at its best? Maybe a little infra boost woud be better suited.
For the first event I would suggest a trigger testing not at war.
For the second event I would suggest to add these:
triggers: not at war ; stability more than -1
enddate: somewhere in 1723
offset: 90
Florenz/Firenze at that time historically had conquered several smaller citystates and became the Duchy of Tuscany. Shouldn´t the trigger include e.g.
countrysize=2 or
control/own of province 402 (Siena) in addition to 401?
Event 337833 in which Austria gains a CoT in Austria has a countrysize=8 trigger in comparison.
As your text mentions immigrants of jews and moriscos, orthodox armenians and dutch protestants should´t the event check how innovative/narrowminded the owner of 401 is at the time the event fires? e.g. too narrowminded and you don´t gain the CoT? And not counterreformed catholic?
Yes, I think countrysize = 2 could be enough. In a (next?) future we could add the owning of Pisa province...
I agree with the inclusion of innovation test, let's say >=6?
I don't know about testing counterreform as the country could have this religion at least until after 1660s. But we may use it, I think.
Regarding my last post about testing Venetian COT, I changed my idea when noticing that Venice or Vienna should get the eastern area of Italy, while Genoa or Livorno should affect the sea trade of western Italy.
Concerning a possible COT on Trieste, what about then a HAB event to improve the port in Istria by building a shipyard? It would be Trieste, duty free Port or such.
The capital of Istria (368) is Pola, but I believe we could ignore it.
That event should only give a shipyard and a bit of naval and infra tech research; owning the COT in Vienna or testing corresponding event should be the trigger while 1720 could be used as starting date. Of course two options should be available.
Should that last sentence be in the description of the creation of the CoT? Because when the CoT is created economy certainly does not suffer and the Napoleonic Wars are far in the future at that point in time.
I noticed only now that the CoT removal event fires *only* for Spain. Is that intended that the Firenze CoT in any other case will last until the end of the game? Or should it not rather vanish under the same conditions as the Liguria/Genua CoT regardless who owns the province? Reading the description of the liguria removal event when the mediterranean trade becomes less important then Firenze´s CoT should share the same fate as Liguria - even if it´s not SPA who owns Firenze.
Code:
#(1540-1820) Decline of Liguria
event = {
id = 337806
trigger = {
NOT = {
AND = {
OR = {
owned = { province = 403 data = ITA }
owned = { province = 403 data = GEN }
}
countrysize = 12
}
}
}
random = no
province = 403 #Liguria
name = "EVENTNAME337806" #Decline of Liguria
desc = "EVENTHIST337806"
#-#With the reduced importance of Mediterranean trade, Genoa gradually lost its importance in international trade.
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1540 }
offset = 1800
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "ALAS"
command = { type = merchants value = -2 }
command = { type = removecot which = 403 } #Liguria
}
}
Yes, I think countrysize = 2 could be enough. In a (next?) future we could add the owning of Pisa province...
agree
agree
only if HAB owns istria , during or after the reign of Leopold and VEN does not have a COT
I disagree , I think the trigger should be ATWAR=yes, the venetian senate would not need these men in peace
i do not undersatand why you want a deathdate
or stab trigger
OK, maybe atwar=NO could make sense.............hard to get supply
Ok, then.
IIRC, this is because Yodamaster said a few years ago that an event with start/end date is preferable due to possible stability issues in eu2 engine or something like that...Toio said:
A stab trigger is just because only a government with a certain stability (more than -1 in this case) wastes time with this sort of things instead of implementing/investing/developing...
IIRC, this is because Yodamaster said a few years ago that an event with start/end date is preferable due to possible stability issues in eu2 engine or something like that...
A stab trigger is just because only a government with a certain stability (more than -1 in this case) wastes time with this sort of things instead of implementing/investing/developing...
Making and supply of clothing has nothing to do with the government , it was up to the guilds. they would not care on instability levels
moved post 1676 to below and amended
#(1582) Venetian Guilds - historical
event = {
id = 326078
trigger = {
atwar = yes
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME326078" #Venetian Guilds
desc = "EVENTHIST326078"
#-#In 1219, Venice had its first guild (Justitia Vecia), the guild of tailors, this was followed by 52 more guilds in the next decade. The guilds where run by non-noble families responsible for issuing works in a chosen profession in the Veneto. By 1582, there where 163 Guild masters in the Veneto and Venice. In that same year, the Venetian senate being short of manpower for its galley fleet proposed a contract to the guild masters to supply men as per request by the state for a reduction of 30 percent income tax. The only other clause was that for every 7 men the guild hired to work at their profession, 1 worker had to be over 55 years of age and not used for the fleet. The religious interference component that all guilds of Europe seemed to be effected with was, restricted to the catholic church of San Biasio, which had the support of the Venetian nobles. This contract lasted till 1773.
date = { day = 15 month = july year = 1582 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 10 month = january year = 1773 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326078A" #yes to the deal
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 370 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 370 value = -2 } #Veneto
command = { type = galleys which = -2 value = 10 }
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326078B" #No to the deal
command = { type = stability value = -2 } #higher taxes
command = { type = provincetax which = 370 value = 1 } #raising taxes
}
}
.................................................. ...................................
#(1703) Black Dresses - Historical Flavour
event = {
id = 326079
trigger = {
stability = -1
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME326079" #Black dresses
desc = "EVENTHIST326079"
#-#Noble Venetian women from the 14th Century where ordered to wear only black dresses with Silver of Gold trim to distinguish themselves from the populace. Women rarely ever heeded this law and went about purchasing local dresses from the silk makers of the Veneto or importing them from France or other parts of Italy. In 1703, the senate changed the law and forbid the use of black dresses to be worn by any women except for attending funerals of the family and also restricted the use of the black dress to last only one week.
date = { day = 10 month = january year = 1703 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 10 month = may year = 1797 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326079A" #Yes to colour
command = { type = trade value = 100 }
command = { }
}
}
.................................................. .........................................
#(1718) Venice's Greek populace - partly historical
event = {
id = 326080
trigger = {
control = { province = 820 data = VEN } #corfu
owned = { province = 820 data = VEN } #corfu
NOT = {
control = { province = 480 data = VEN } #Crete
owned = { province = 480 data = VEN } #Crete
}
NOT = {
control = { province = 479 data = VEN } #Ionia
owned = { province = 479 data = VEN } #Ionia
}
NOT = {
control = { province = 484 data = VEN } #Cyprus
owned = { province = 484 data = VEN } #Cyprus
}
NOT = {
control = { province = 359 data = VEN } #Hellas
owned = { province = 359 data = VEN } #Hellas
}
NOT = {
control = { province = 360 data = VEN } #Morea
owned = { province = 360 data = VEN } #Morea
}
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME326080" #Venetian Greeks
desc = "EVENTHIST326080"
#-#By 1718 having lost the Morea for the second time as well as Crete 50 years earlier, the Venetians had no more Greek militia to use except for the Greeks of Corfu and the Ionian islands. These Greeks where barely enough to defend their islands and where always propped up by the Venetian military. Venice now only had its Dalmatian militia as well as the expensive hire of German or Dutch mercenaries left.
date = { day = 5 month = august year = 1718 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 10 month = may year = 1797 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326080A" #Loss of the Greeks
command = { type = remove_countryculture which = greek }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 820 value = -2 }#Corfu
}
}
#(1582) Venetian Guilds - historical
event = {
id = 326078
trigger = {
atwar = yes
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME326078" #Venetian Guilds
desc = "EVENTHIST326078"
#-#In 1219, Venice had its first guild (Justitia Vecia), the guild of tailors, this was followed by 52 more guilds in the next decade. The guilds where run by non-noble families responsible for issuing works in a chosen profession in the Veneto. By 1582, there where 163 Guild masters in the Veneto and Venice. In that same year, the Venetian senate being short of manpower for its galley fleet proposed a contract to the guild masters to supply men as per request by the state for a reduction of 30 percent income tax. The only other clause was that for every 7 men the guild hired to work at their profession, 1 worker had to be over 55 years of age and not used for the fleet. The religious interference component that all guilds of Europe seemed to be effected with was, restricted to the catholic church of San Biasio, which had the support of the Venetian nobles. This contract lasted till 1773.
date = { day = 15 month = july year = 1582 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 10 month = january year = 1773 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326078A" #yes to the deal
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 370 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 370 value = -2 } #Veneto
command = { type = galleys which = -2 value = 10 }
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326078B" #No to the deal
command = { type = stability value = -2 } #higher taxes
command = { type = provincetax which = 370 value = 1 } #raising taxes
}
}
.................................................. ...................................
#(1703) Black Dresses - Historical Flavour
event = {
id = 326079
trigger = {
stability = -1
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME326079" #Black dresses
desc = "EVENTHIST326079"
#-#Noble Venetian women from the 14th Century where ordered to wear only black dresses with Silver of Gold trim to distinguish themselves from the populace. Women rarely ever heeded this law and went about purchasing local dresses from the silk makers of the Veneto or importing them from France or other parts of Italy. In 1703, the senate changed the law and forbid the use of black dresses to be worn by any women except for attending funerals of the family and also restricted the use of the black dress to last only one week.
date = { day = 10 month = january year = 1703 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 10 month = may year = 1797 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326079A" #Yes to colour
command = { type = trade value = 100 }
command = { }
}
}
.................................................. .........................................
#(1718) Venice's Greek populace - partly historical
event = {
id = 326080
trigger = {
control = { province = 820 data = VEN } #corfu
owned = { province = 820 data = VEN } #corfu
NOT = {
control = { province = 480 data = VEN } #Crete
owned = { province = 480 data = VEN } #Crete
}
NOT = {
control = { province = 479 data = VEN } #Ionia
owned = { province = 479 data = VEN } #Ionia
}
NOT = {
control = { province = 484 data = VEN } #Cyprus
owned = { province = 484 data = VEN } #Cyprus
}
NOT = {
control = { province = 359 data = VEN } #Hellas
owned = { province = 359 data = VEN } #Hellas
}
NOT = {
control = { province = 360 data = VEN } #Morea
owned = { province = 360 data = VEN } #Morea
}
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME326080" #Venetian Greeks
desc = "EVENTHIST326080"
#-#By 1718 having lost the Morea for the second time as well as Crete 50 years earlier, the Venetians had no more Greek militia to use except for the Greeks of Corfu and the Ionian islands. These Greeks where barely enough to defend their islands and where always propped up by the Venetian military. Venice now only had its Dalmatian militia as well as the expensive hire of German or Dutch mercenaries left.
date = { day = 5 month = august year = 1718 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 10 month = may year = 1797 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326080A" #Loss of the Greeks
command = { type = remove_countryculture which = greek }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 820 value = -2 }#Corfu
}
}
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new event
#(1700) Barnabotti - historical
event = {
id = 326081
trigger = {
NOT = { countrysize = 10 }
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME326081" #Venetian Patricians
desc = "EVENTHIST326081"
#-#In 1646 and 1684, 70 and 48 new families respectively paid to be registered in the Golden book of Venetian nobles and obtain a vote in the council. Of these new families many by 1700 had fallen to desperate financial problems. This condition of fallen nobility was termed Barnabotti due to these nobles meeting in the area of Campo San Barnaba. Barnabotti who, despite having lost many of their financial resources, continued to maintain the right to sit on the Greater Council, continued to vote in the assembly and decided the fate of the city and the state. Clothing and food for the Barnabotti was provided by the state. The barnabotti had frequent conflicts with the remaining body of the wealthy nobility, but at the same time, because of their lack of economic means, sold their votes and this caused certain unwanted nobles to achieve certain positions of power. In 1740, Doge Alvise Pisani tried to amend the voting regulations of the Nobles, remove the votes of the barnabotti and amend the constitution but was outvoted by the Venetian council.
date = { day = 19 month = april year = 1700 }
offset = 120
deathdate = { day = 10 month = may year = 1797 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326081A" #support the poor nobles
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 6 value = 7 } #initial issues
command = { type = provincetax which = 370 value = -2 } #no tax from the barnabotti
command = { type = treasury value = -500 } #supplement the poor nobles
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326081B" #No support for the poor nobles
command = { type = stability value = -6 } #change of constitution
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 370 value = 2 }
}
}
thoughts or amendments welcomed
#(1700) Barnabotti - historical
event = {
id = 326081
trigger = {
NOT = { countrysize = 10 }
}
random = no
country = VEN
name = "EVENTNAME326081" #Venetian Patricians
desc = "EVENTHIST326081"
#-#In 1646 and 1684, 70 and 48 new families respectively paid to be registered in the Golden book of Venetian nobles and obtain a vote in the council. Of these new families many by 1700 had fallen to desperate financial problems. This condition of fallen nobility was termed Barnabotti due to these nobles meeting in the area of Campo San Barnaba. Barnabotti who, despite having lost many of their financial resources, continued to maintain the right to sit on the Greater Council, continued to vote in the assembly and decided the fate of the city and the state. Clothing and food for the Barnabotti was provided by the state. The barnabotti had frequent conflicts with the remaining body of the wealthy nobility, but at the same time, because of their lack of economic means, sold their votes and this caused certain unwanted nobles to achieve certain positions of power. In 1740, Doge Alvise Pisani tried to amend the voting regulations of the Nobles, remove the votes of the barnabotti and amend the constitution but was outvoted by the Venetian council.
date = { day = 19 month = april year = 1700 }
offset = 120
deathdate = { day = 10 month = may year = 1797 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326081A" #support the poor nobles
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 6 value = 7 } #initial issues
command = { type = provincetax which = 370 value = -2 } #no tax from the barnabotti
command = { type = treasury value = -500 } #supplement the poor nobles
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME326081B" #No support for the poor nobles
command = { type = stability value = -6 } #change of constitution
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 370 value = 2 }
}
}
thoughts or amendments welcomed
I am talking about the black dresses event which is flavour. In seeing how other flavour events were written, ie musicians and such, testing stability is a trigger condition generally used.
yes , I know..........if you think we need to add a stab trigger because the rest have it, then ok.
I still find it weird that these flavour events have any triggers.
It could be justified by saying that a -3 stability, civil unrest and poverty the woman would rather care for food and shelter than for fancy clothing. Perhaps woman back then were wiser than nowadays.