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@Yoda

Done and done.

So do you take care of the actual inclusion in the next beta or do I have to 'announce' my proposal in some thread?
 
So do you take care of the actual inclusion in the next beta or do I have to 'announce' my proposal in some thread?
I will take care of everything thing now. Post #795 goes with post #789.
 
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In post #795 I suggest to add a removecore command for Polotsk that could be granted as ahistorical choice in previous events.

Be aware SWE_291033 "The rise of Russian power" deals with cores in the area too.

SWE_3250 could add a core on Kurland again. This core will never be removed in current version and if new SWE-291040 fires before (now).
 
Here are the events for Sweden. Sweden only gets one event per province. The conditions are similar as those for Russia: province has to be state religion...or you can be a reformed innovative Sweden which would represent a liberal, tolerant government. For Kexholm only there is a historical event that can convert Kexholm to Ugric without the need of it being state religion...at the price of provincetax.

Event for Kola:

Code:
#(1523-1820) Swedish rule in Kola
event = {
	id = 291041
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 262 data = -1 } #Kola
                 [COLOR="YellowGreen"] control = { province = 262 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
		NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 262 data = ugric }} #Doesn't work
		OR = {
			AND = { 	#Protestant Sweden
				religion = protestant
				provincereligion = { province = 262 data = protestant }
			}
			AND = { 	#Catholic Sweden
				religion = catholic
				provincereligion = { province = 262 data = catholic }
			}
			AND = {		#Reformed Sweden
				religion = reformed
				provincereligion = { province = 262 data = reformed }
			}
			AND = {		#Tolerant government
				religion = reformed
				domestic = { type = innovative value = 8 }
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = SWE
	name = "EVENTNAME291041"
	desc = "EVENTHIST291041"
	#-#Before the 19th century, the Kola peninsula was sparsely populated. The Sami people made up most of the permanent population. We now have fully incorporated the province into our administative system and established profitable trading relations with the Sami.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1523 } #Gustav I Vasa elected as king of Sweden
	offset = 10000
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 262 value = ugric } #Kola
		command = { type = population which = 262 value = 50 } #Colonists
	}
}

EVENTNAME291041;Swedish Rule in Kola;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST291041;Before the 19th century, the Kola peninsula was sparsely populated. The Sami people made up most of the permanent population. We now have fully incorporated the province into our administative system and established profitable trading relations with the Sami.;;;;;;;;;;


First event for Kexholm, the generic one:

Code:
#(1523-1820) Swedish rule in Kexholm
event = {
	id = 291042
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 266 data = -1 } #Kexholm
                 [COLOR="YellowGreen"] control = { province = 266 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
		NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 266 data = ugric }} #Doesn't work
		OR = {
			AND = { 	#Protestant Sweden
				religion = protestant
				provincereligion = { province = 266 data = protestant }
			}
			AND = { 	#Catholic Sweden
				religion = catholic
				provincereligion = { province = 266 data = catholic }
			}
			AND = {		#Reformed Sweden
				religion = reformed
				provincereligion = { province = 266 data = reformed }
			}
			AND = {		#Tolerant government
				religion = reformed
				domestic = { type = innovative value = 8 }
			}
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = SWE
	name = "EVENTNAME291042"
	desc = "EVENTHIST291042"
	#-#The Karelians were Finnic-speaking people closely related to the Finns. Most Karelians lived in Russia and were Orthodox Christian, but a significant minority residing in Finland was Western by culture and by religion. We now consider people in the province [COLOR="DarkOrange"]Kexholm[/COLOR] as accepted subjects of our empire.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1523 } #Gustav I Vasa elected as king of Sweden
	offset = 13000
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 266 value = ugric } #Vladimir
		command = { type = population which = 266 value = 300 } #Colonists
	}
}

EVENTNAME291042;Swedish Rule in Kexholm;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST291042;The Karelians were Finnic-speaking people closely related to the Finns. Most Karelians lived in Russia and were Orthodox Christian, but a significant minority residing in Finland was Western by culture and by religion. We now consider people in the province Kexholm as accepted subjects of our empire.;;;;;;;;;;

Second event for Sweden, the historical one:

Code:
#(1523-1820) Swedish rule in Kexholm (2nd) - a historic event
event = {
	id = 291043
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 266 data = -1 } #Kexholm
		provincereligion = { province = 266 data = orthodox } #Hasn't been converted
	}
	random = no
	country = SWE
	name = "EVENTNAME291043"
	desc = "EVENTHIST291043"
	#-#Sweden received the county of Kexholm through the treaty of Stolbovo in 1617. Most of the population in Kexholm was Orthodox Karelian alongside an Ortodox Russian minority. Under the terms of the treaty people were free to practice their religion, but under the first governor of the new province, Jacob de la Gardie, Orthodox monks and boyars were ordered to leave and religious repression began. This caused a massive exodus of Karelians and Russians from the province over the decades despite an official ban on relocation. At the same time Swedish and especially Finnish immigrants were invited to settle and occupy the province permanently.

	date = { day = 27 month = february year = 1617 } #Treaty of Stolbovo - Kexholm ceded to Sweden
	offset = 19000
	deathdate = { day = 10 month = september year = 1721 } #Treaty of Nystad - Kexholm returned to Russia

	action_a = {	#Invite Swedish and Finnish immigrants and attempt to repress Orthodox Christianity
		name = "ACTIONNAME291043A"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 266 value = ugric } #Kexholm - immigrants from Finland and Sweden settle and take over the economy
		command = { type = population which = 266 value = -3000 } #Karelian exodus
		command = { type = provincetax which = 266 value = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 291057 } #A Russian event
	}
	action_b = {	#Invite Finnish immigrants only and allow people to practice their religion freely
		name = "ACTIONNAME291043B"
		command = { type = population which = 266 value = -500 } #Some people still decide to leave
		command = { type = vp value = 10 }
	}
}

EVENTNAME291043;Swedish Conquest of Kexholm;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST291043;Sweden received the county of Kexholm through the treaty of Stolbovo in 1617. Most of the population in Kexholm was Orthodox Karelian alongside an Ortodox Russian minority. Under the terms of the treaty people were free to practice their religion, but under the first governor of the new province, Jacob de la Gardie, Orthodox monks and boyars were ordered to leave and religious repression began. This caused a massive exodus of Karelians and Russians from the province over the decades despite an official ban on relocation. At the same time Swedish and especially Finnish immigrants were invited to settle and occupy the province permanently.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME291043A;Repress Orthodox Christianity;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME291043B;Let people practice their religion freely;;;;;;;;;;

The above event triggers a Russian event which I will post in the Russia thread.

Event for Karelia:

Code:
#(1523-1820) Swedish rule in Karelia
event = {
	id = 291044
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 1470 data = -1 } #Karelia
                 [COLOR="YellowGreen"] control = { province = 1470 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
		NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 1470 data = ugric }} #Doesn't work
		OR = {
			AND = { 	#Protestant Sweden
				religion = protestant
				provincereligion = { province = 1470 data = protestant }
			}
			AND = { 	#Catholic Sweden
				religion = catholic
				provincereligion = { province = 1470 data = catholic }
			}
			AND = {		#Reformed Sweden
				religion = reformed
				provincereligion = { province = 1470 data = reformed }
			}
			AND = {		#Tolerant government
				religion = reformed
				domestic = { type = innovative value = 8 }
			}
		}
		event = 291042 #Kexholm has to be Ugric first
	}
	random = no
	country = SWE
	name = "EVENTNAME291044"
	desc = "EVENTHIST291044"
	#-#The Karelians were Finnic-speaking people closely related to the Finns. Most Karelians lived in Russia and were Orthodox Christian, but a significant minority residing in Finland was Western by culture and by religion. We now consider people in the province Karelia as accepted subjects of our empire.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1523 } #Gustav I Vasa elected as king of Sweden
	offset = 16000
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 1470 value = ugric } #Karelia
		command = { type = population which = 1470 value = 100 } #Colonists
	}
}

EVENTNAME291044;Swedish Rule in Karelia;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST291044;The Karelians were Finnic-speaking people closely related to the Finns. Most Karelians lived in Russia and were Orthodox Christian, but a significant minority residing in Finland was Western by culture and by religion. We now consider people in the province Karelia as accepted subjects of our empire.;;;;;;;;;;

Event for Olonets:

Code:
#(1523-1753) Swedish rule in Olonets
event = {
	id = 291045
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 267 data = -1 } #Olonets
                 [COLOR="YellowGreen"] control = { province = 267 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
		NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 267 data = ugric }} #Doesn't work
		OR = {
			AND = { 	#Protestant Sweden
				religion = protestant
				provincereligion = { province = 267 data = protestant }
			}
			AND = { 	#Catholic Sweden
				religion = catholic
				provincereligion = { province = 267 data = catholic }
			}
			AND = {		#Reformed Sweden
				religion = reformed
				provincereligion = { province = 267 data = reformed }
			}
			AND = {		#Tolerant government
				religion = reformed
				domestic = { type = innovative value = 8 }
			}
		}
		event = 291044 #Karelia has to be ugric first
	}
	random = no
	country = SWE
	name = "EVENTNAME291045"
	desc = "EVENTHIST291045"
	#-#The Karelians were Finnic-speaking people closely related to the Finns. Most Karelians lived in Russia and were Orthodox Christian, but a significant minority residing in Finland was Western by culture and by religion. We now consider people in the province [COLOR="darkorange"]Olonets[/COLOR] as accepted subjects of our empire.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1523 } #Gustav I Vasa elected as king of Sweden
	offset = 18000
	deathdate = { day = 27 month = may year = 1753 } #50 years after foundation of St. Petersburg; probably too russified at this point

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 267 value = ugric } #Olonets
		command = { type = population which = 267 value = 200 } #Colonists
	}
}

EVENTNAME291045;Swedish Rule in Olonets;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST291045;The Karelians were Finnic-speaking people closely related to the Finns. Most Karelians lived in Russia and were Orthodox Christian, but a significant minority residing in Finland was Western by culture and by religion. We now consider people in the province Olonets as accepted subjects of our empire.;;;;;;;;;;

Event for Arkhangelsk:

Code:
#(1523-1634) Swedish rule in Arhangelsk
event = {
	id = 291046
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 269 data = -1 } #Arkhangelsk
                 [COLOR="YellowGreen"] control = { province = 269 data = -1 }[/COLOR]
		NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 269 data = ugric }} #Doesn't work
		OR = {
			AND = { 	#Protestant Sweden
				religion = protestant
				provincereligion = { province = 269 data = protestant }
			}
			AND = { 	#Catholic Sweden
				religion = catholic
				provincereligion = { province = 269 data = catholic }
			}
			AND = {		#Reformed Sweden
				religion = reformed
				provincereligion = { province = 269 data = reformed }
			}
			AND = {		#Tolerant government
				religion = reformed
				domestic = { type = innovative value = 8 }
			}
		}
		event = 291045 #Olonets has to be ugric first
	}
	random = no
	country = SWE
	name = "EVENTNAME291046"
	desc = "EVENTHIST291046"
	#-#Before it was colonized by Russia in the 16th century, the Arkhangelsk region was mainly populated by the Nenets people, Nenets meaning "man". We now have fully incorporated the province into our administrative system.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1523 } #Gustav I Vasa elected as king of Sweden
	offset = 18500
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1634 } #50 years after foundation of Arkhangelsk; probably too russified at this point

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 269 value = ugric } #Arkhangelsk
		command = { type = population which = 269 value = 50 } #Colonists
	}
}

EVENTNAME291046;Swedish Rule in Arkhangelsk;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST291046;Before it was colonized by Russia in the 16th century, the Arkhangelsk region was mainly populated by the Nenets people, Nenets meaning "man". We now have fully incorporated the province into our administrative system.;;;;;;;;;;


The only thing missing now is the same events for the potential revolter Finland. I will also try to produce a leaderlist and a monarchlist for Finland. Information will be hard to find on the subject of Finnish monarchs and leaders for the period, so if anyone has any suggestions feel free to post them.
 
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In post #795 I suggest to add a removecore command for Polotsk that could be granted as ahistorical choice in previous events.

Be aware SWE_291033 "The rise of Russian power" deals with cores in the area too.

SWE_3250 could add a core on Kurland again. This core will never be removed in current version and if new SWE-291040 fires before (now).

Well do you think only the Baltic culture should be removed then, and the cores be dealt with independently of SWE_291040?
 
Well do you think only the Baltic culture should be removed then, and the cores be dealt with independently of SWE_291040?
No, all events become complementary if the core on Polotsk is also removed in your event.

This is why there is no need to sleep your event in the action_b of the reworked SWE_3243 of post #789.
 
...

Code:
#(1523-1820) Swedish rule in Kola
event = {
	id = 291041
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 262 data = -1 } #Kola
		NOT = { provinceculture = { province = 262

Shouldn´t they not only own but also control the province for all the events?
 
Shouldn´t they not only own but also control the province for all the events?

I've modeled the events after existing events for Russian colonization of Steppes. It makes sense though. I've amended the events and fixed a typo in one event. The historical event for Kexholm does not need that command I think.

Here are my proposed changes for Finland:

1. First, a change in revolt.txt

Code:
FIN = { #Finland
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1720 }
	expirydate = { year = 1820 }
	minimum = { 265 342 }
	extra = { [COLOR="red"]262[/COLOR] 263 264 [COLOR="red"]266[/COLOR] 273 [COLOR="Red"]1470[/COLOR] }
	capital = 265
        [COLOR="Yellow"]culture = ugric[/COLOR]
	group = orthodox
	ai = "SmallTrade0.ai"
}

The three provinces (262-Kola, 266-Kexholm, 1470-Karelia) were never Finnish or Lutheran. Incorporating these provinces to Finland was only the idea of Finnish nationalism in the interregnum period between the two World Wars. Finland will still get a chance to get a core on each of those provinces as per my events below.

2. A monarchlist for Finland. I'm not very original, so I've simply used the Russian emperors/empresses as kings of Finland before they became emperors/empresses, save for the very first monarch. The only "king of Finland" ever elected was actually the future Peter III of Russia.

Code:
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = january
		year = 1720
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 18
		month = june
		year = 1739
	}

	name = "Kaarlo Fredrik"
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
	remark = "Duke Charles Frederick of Holstein-Gottorp, father of Peter III of Russia."
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	startdate = {
		day = 18
		month = june
		year = 1739
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 26
		month = december
		year = 1761
	}
	name = "Pekka"
	DIP = 3
	ADM = 3
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
	remark = "Duke Peter of Holstein-Gottorp, elected king of Finland in 1742, future Peter III of Russia."
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	starthdate = {
		day = 26
		month = december
		year = 1761
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 29
		month = june
		year = 1762
	}
	name = "Katariina"
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 7
	dormant = no
	remark = "Future Catherine II of Russia."
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	starthdate = {
		day = 29
		month = june
		year = 1762
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 6
		month = november
		year = 1796
	}
	name = "Paavo"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
	remark = "Future Paul I of Russia."
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	starthdate = {
		day = 6
		month = november
		year = 1796
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 27
		month = june
		year = 1831
	}
	name = "Konstantin"
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
	remark = "Grand Duke Constantine Pavlovich of Russia, king of Congress Poland"
}

Mind you, the situation will become horrendously unrealistic if Finland goes to war with Russia, but I think it's better to go by people that actually existed rather than some randomly generated dude named 'Stuart'.

3. A small leaderlist:

Code:
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	category = general
	name = "F. Anders Jägerhorn"
	startdate = {
		year = 1742
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 25
		month = november
		year = 1801
	}
	rank = 3
	movement = 3
	fire = 3
	shock = 3
	siege = 0
	dormant = no
	remark = "Father of J. A. Jägerhorn."
}
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	category = general
	name = "J. A. Jägerhorn"
	startdate = {
		year = 1785
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 6
		month = march
		year = 1825
	}
	rank = 2
	movement = 4
	fire = 4
	shock = 4
	siege = 0
	dormant = no
	remark = "Carried the Anjala conspiracy letter to the empress of Russia."
}
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	category = general
	name = "F. Adolf Jägerhorn"
	startdate = {
		year = 1788
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 23
		month = december
		year = 1817
	}
	rank = 3
	movement = 3
	fire = 3
	shock = 3
	siege = 0
	dormant = no
	remark = "Brother of J. A. Jägerhorn."
}
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = }
	category = general
	name = "Sprengtporten"
	startdate = {
		year = 1775
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 13
		month = october
		year = 1819
	}
	rank = 5
	movement = 3
	fire = 2
	shock = 2
	siege = 0
	dormant = no
	remark = "First governor-general of the autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland and a prominent politician."
}

I've used the Jägerhorn family, one of whom was in the Anjala conspiracy, as well as a certain guy named Magnus Sprengporten, a famous Finnish politician.

4. Events. First a country formation event:

Code:
#Finland country formation event
event = {
	id = 
	trigger = {
			owned = { province = 265 data = -1 } #Nyland
			countrysize = 2
	}
	country = FIN
	random = no
	name =
	desc = 

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1720 }
	offset = 15
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAMEA"
		command = { type = capital which = 265 } #Nyland
		command = { type = add_countryculture which = scandinavian } #Acceptance towards Swedish people and nobility
		command = { type = land value = 1400 } #Helps bring country up to speed
		command = { type = naval value = 700 }
		command = { type = trade value = 2000 }
		command = { type = infra value = 1800 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 150 }
		command = { type = gainbuilding which = -2 value = bailiff } #Existing ecomonic structures are taken over
		command = { type = gainbuilding which = -1 value = bailiff }
		command = { type = inflation value = 10 } #To compensate for the above rewards
		command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 15000 }
		command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 7000 }
		command = { type = ART which = -2 value = 10 }
	}
}

EVENTNAME;Kingdom of Finland is Born;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTDESC;While few people in the 18th and early 19th centuries entertained the idea of an independent Finland, under the right circumstances a Kingdom of Finland might have been established.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAMEA;We are Finland;;;;;;;;;;

And the provinceevents for Karelia region. Finland does not need to have the provinces state religion for reasons stated in the description.

Code:
#(1720-1820) Finnish rule in Kola
event = {
	id =
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 262 data = -1 } #Kola
		control = { province = 262 data = -1 }
	}
	random = no
	country = FIN
	name = ""
	desc = ""
	#-#The Finnish and Karelian people are very close ethnically and especially linguistically. Some writers and ethnologists think that the Karelian people of the East have preserved the "crucial Finnish element" which has been lost among the Finns after centuries of Western rule.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1720 }
	offset = 5000
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 262 value = ugric } #Kola
		command = { type = population which = 262 value = 50 } #Colonists
		command = { type = addcore which = 262 }
	}
}




#(1720-1820) Finnish rule in Karelia
event = {
	id =
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 1470 data = -1 } #Karelia
		control = { province = 1470 data = -1 }
	}
	random = no
	country = FIN
	name = ""
	desc = ""
	#-#The Finnish and Karelian people are very close ethnically and especially linguistically. Some writers and ethnologists think that the Karelian people of the East have preserved the "crucial Finnish element" which has been lost among the Finns after centuries of Western rule.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1720 }
	offset = 5000
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 1470 value = ugric } #Karelia
		command = { type = population which = 1470 value = 50 } #Colonists
		command = { type = addcore which = 1470 }
	}
}


#(1720-1820) Finnish rule in Kexholm
event = {
	id =
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 266 data = -1 } #Kexholm
		control = { province = 266 data = -1 }
	}
	random = no
	country = FIN
	name = ""
	desc = ""
	#-#The Finnish and Karelian people are very close ethnically and especially linguistically. Some writers and ethnologists think that the Karelian people of the East have preserved the "crucial Finnish element" which has been lost among the Finns after centuries of Western rule.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1720 }
	offset = 5000
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 266 value = ugric } #Kexholm
		command = { type = population which = 266 value = 200 } #Colonists
		command = { type = addcore which = 266 }
	}
}


#(1720-1803) Finnish rule in Olonets
event = {
	id =
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 267 data = -1 } #Kola
		control = { province = 267 data = -1 }
		event =  [I]Finnish rule in Kexholm[/I] #Kexholm has to be ugric first
	}
	random = no
	country = FIN
	name = ""
	desc = ""
	#-#The Finnish and Karelian people are very close ethnically and especially linguistically. Some writers and ethnologists think that the Karelian people of the East have preserved the "crucial Finnish element" which has been lost among the Finns after centuries of Western rule.

	date = { day = 6 month = june year = 1720 }
	offset = 10000
	deathdate = { day = 27 month = may year = 1803 } #100 years after foundation of St. Petersburg; probably too russified at this point

	action_a = {
		name = "GREAT"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 267 value = ugric } #Olonets
		command = { type = population which = 267 value = 200 } #Colonists
		command = { type = addcore which = 267 }
	}
}

All of these events use the same description and name:

EVENTNAME;Finnish Rule Over Karelians;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST;The Finnish and Karelian people are very close ethnically and especially linguistically. Some writers and ethnologists think that the Karelian people of the East have preserved the "crucial Finnish element" which has been lost among the Finns after centuries of Western rule.;;;;;;;;;;

I haven't assigned the event numbers because I didn't know where to begin.

If someone can tell me the ID'd I can use for the leaders, monarchs and events I can assign them. Other than that this concludes my proposal for a new cultural system for the Karelia region. I've always thought it inaccurate for Russia to receive penalties in the region but at the same time Sweden should not be denied the opportunity to have these provinces accepted under the right circumstances.

I have one question though: Should I make an AI file for Finland? If Finland does not own Finland proper, I think their goal should be to consolidate the country, ie fight. That having said, Finland will usually be played by a human who wants to have a challenge late in the game.
 
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1. First, a change in revolt.txt

Code:
FIN = { #Finland
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1720 }
	expirydate = { year = 1820 }
	minimum = { 265 342 }
	extra = { [COLOR="red"]262[/COLOR] 263 264 [COLOR="red"]266[/COLOR] 273 [COLOR="Red"]1470[/COLOR] }
	capital = 265
        [COLOR="Yellow"]culture = ugric[/COLOR]
	group = orthodox
	ai = "SmallTrade0.ai"
}

The three provinces (262-Kola, 266-Kexholm, 1470-Karelia) were never Finnish or Lutheran. Incorporating these provinces to Finland was only the idea of Finnish nationalism in the interregnum period between the two World Wars. Finland will still get a chance to get a core on each of those provinces as per my events below.

As of 1608 - the law of Moses - Finland adopted the Lutheran religion, this continued to the present day, so should the Group above be Protestant ?
 
It is never too late to fix Russian events if needed too. ;)

The russian settlement of the steppe events have in the trigger that the provinces must be owned and have the russian/orthodox religion before they fire so that Russia has to convert the religion of those formerly sunni provinces to their own religion *before* receiving the event that changes the provinceculture. That is different than the now here discussed events.
 
2. A monarchlist for Finland. I'm not very original, so I've simply used the Russian emperors/empresses as kings of Finland before they became emperors/empresses, save for the very first monarch. The only "king of Finland" ever elected was actually the future Peter III of Russia.

Having read through the wikipedia articles on the issue (unfortunately I have no books about this time) the basis for the Finnish Lantdag to want Peter the thrown was him being the grandson of Charles XI of Sweden, so an alternative to using him and his dynasty as Kings of Finland aswell as Czars could be to go back in the Swedish lineage. However, Peter's mother only seems to have had one male issue (haven't found anything about daughters yet) and his mother's brother and sister were both King and Queen of Sweden and unsuitable for an independent Finland.

The question is whether one should go back one step further or do as you do and use the Czars before they ascend the Russian throne.

Edit: Upon more reading, the Swedish line is near impossible as they either had one child (who took the Swedish throne) or died childless...

Edit2: Instead of Aleksi and Nicolaus, maybe you could use Constantine? In an alternative history, maybe he could've been given the throne of Finland?

Good work on the other things.
 
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Here are the events for Sweden.
EVENTHIST291042, EVENTHIST291044 and EVENTHIST291045 are exactly the same. Shouldn't "province Karelia" be changed in order to reflect the proper province in two of them?

ACTIONNAME291043A and ACTIONNAME291043B are too long for the maximal length of the buttons. Please shorten them as much as possible and amend EVENTHIST291043 if necessary in order to not lose infomation for the choice that has to be made.
 
As of 1608 - the law of Moses - Finland adopted the Lutheran religion, this continued to the present day, so should the Group above be Protestant ?

As YodaMaster said this is techgroup not religion. Religion should not be forced either I think. By 1720 Finland could be Catholic, Protestant, Reformed or even orthodox.

I do think however that techgroup should be changed to latin. It's latin in vanilla, and while I'm sure that whoever changed it to orthodox had a good reason to do so, latin is more appropriate in my view. Finland was poorly developed, much less than the neighboring Sweden, but in the game they will tech slowly anyways due to poor provinces and bad countrysize (Finland proper has 5 provinces, about the worst size for teching). Finland was under Western (Swedish) rule for centuries, and it's more appropriate for them to receive bonus from West rather than East. If this was the Russian Grand Duchy of Finland that's another matter entirely, but FIN represents an independent Kingdom of Finland.

The russian settlement of the steppe events have in the trigger that the provinces must be owned and have the russian/orthodox religion before they fire so that Russia has to convert the religion of those formerly sunni provinces to their own religion *before* receiving the event that changes the provinceculture. That is different than the now here discussed events.

Same for these events - Sweden/Russia has to convert the province first, except that the Karelian provinces are orthodox from start. The exception to this rule is a reformed INNO>7 Sweden, which is the best way to represent free religion, much the same way the US is represented.

Having read through the wikipedia articles on the issue (unfortunately I have no books about this time) the basis for the Finnish Lantdag to want Peter the thrown was him being the grandson of Charles XI of Sweden, so an alternative to using him and his dynasty as Kings of Finland aswell as Czars could be to go back in the Swedish lineage. However, Peter's mother only seems to have had one male issue (haven't found anything about daughters yet) and his mother's brother and sister were both King and Queen of Sweden and unsuitable for an independent Finland.

The question is whether one should go back one step further or do as you do and use the Czars before they ascend the Russian throne.

Edit: Upon more reading, the Swedish line is near impossible as they either had one child (who took the Swedish throne) or died childless...

I thought about it but there was too little information on this subject. I have a book about the history of Finland but even it is clueless. Peter III was only a great-nephew of Charles XI, so even that is quite distant I'd say. One could also work with other people of the Holstein-Gottorp dynasty, but again the info is too sparse on the subject.

Edit2: Instead of Aleksi and Nicolaus, maybe you could use Constantine? In an alternative history, maybe he could've been given the throne of Finland?

Good thinking. Constantine is a better choice than Nicholas for two reasons:

1. Nicholas was only five in 1801, whereas Constantine was 22. Also, the older son would be more likely to get the throne.
2. Situation will be less ahistorical if Russia goes to war with Finland.

It's also worth noting that Constantine was much more likely to inherit the throne of Russia than Nicolas. As a matter of fact the primary reason he didn't do so is because he refused it stubbornly and swore alliegance to Nicholas after Alexander's death. At the same time Nicholas swore alliegance to Constantine :)

The last two kings have been replaced with "Konstantin".

EVENTHIST291042, EVENTHIST291044 and EVENTHIST291045 are exactly the same. Shouldn't "province Karelia" be changed in order to reflect the proper province in two of them?

They should, it was a stupid mistake on my part. Fixed.

ACTIONNAME291043A and ACTIONNAME291043B are too long for the maximal length of the buttons. Please shorten them as much as possible and amend EVENTHIST291043 if necessary in order to not lose infomation for the choice that has to be made.

Fixed. The description was left unchanged.

EDIT: Also fixed a typo in the "Kingdom of Finland is Born" event.
 
remark = "Duke Charles Frederick of Holstein-Gottorp, father of Peter III of Russia. Died in 1739 but I've let him live till 1742."

Sure, this is alt-history but you could have a regency (or whatever it is called) or possibly let his wife be the regent for a couple of years if she was still alive. :) [Maybe possible to also make an event "noble regency or regency under whatshername"]

Otherwise I agree. Anything else than using the Russian Holstein-Gottorp is a guessing-game, and the alternative could be an invention of a line of Pekkas and Paavos. :D ;)
 
Sure, this is alt-history but you could have a regency (or whatever it is called) or possibly let his wife be the regent for a couple of years if she was still alive. :)

Good idea. I'll add a three-year regency later.

Otherwise I agree. Anything else than using the Russian Holstein-Gottorp is a guessing-game, and the alternative could be an invention of a line of Pekkas and Paavos. ;)

Gotta love those Finnish names :)