AGC-EEP: North America

Bordic · Dec 23, 2007

Sorry to digress from this last topic, but I would have some comments about the involvement of provinces potentially owned by Indian tribe countries in the American Revolution which means the reworking of my suggestions of event changes and e revision of extra provinces to be included in USA tag from revolt.txt. There is much to change in the trigger of the event about the Olive Branch Petition...where I am going to merge group #5 and #6.

Post reference:
#1067, 1068 and 1068 for the last suggestions in events;
#1074 for the change in the grouping of provinces affected by revolts including the ones where the Indian tribes should be staying.
#1090 and 1091 for my last *troubles*...

Bordic · Dec 23, 2007

YodaMaster said:
Indeed, ENG_164148 "The royal proclamation" models the restriction of the colonizable zone with the removal of the colonial cores.

IN this case shouldn't we then remove cores on Irondekoit (83), Oswego (89), Mohawk (90), Onondaga (91), Ticonderoga (99) and Andirondak (100) too as they are the socalled Indian Reserve if I correctly understood? And also, seeing maps about the Royal proclamation it seems that these provinces aren't included in the 13 colonies.

De-VILLARS · Dec 23, 2007

Bordic said:
IN this case shouldn't we then remove cores on Irondekoit (83), Oswego (89), Mohawk (90), Onondaga (91), Ticonderoga (99) and Andirondak (100) too as they are the socalled Indian Reserve if I correctly understood? And also, seeing maps about the Royal proclamation it seems that these provinces aren't included in the 1 colonies.

I aggree for Oswego, Mohawk and Onondaga.
Ticonderoga and Adirondak are behind the line but there were french forts or trading post in the area, moreover it's in the heart of the colonised land (between Montreal and Albany) so i would prefer that England keep the cores.

Bordic · Dec 24, 2007

De-VILLARS said:
I aggree for Oswego, Mohawk and Onondaga.
Ticonderoga and Adirondak are behind the line but there were french forts or trading post in the area, moreover it's in the heart of the colonised land (between Montreal and Albany) so i would prefer that England keep the cores.

And should they be ignored in the revolts for the birth of America too?

As I have posted in compiling 155 I am still unsure about which provinces should be included in the four events about the provRR increase and in the trigger of the Olive Branch Petition. They are more or less are the same choices of provinces.

As for the remaining event (little-big peace, we win, we lost... events) they will be changed accordingly, of course.

As for now I am considering to ignore Iroqoui lands as Irondekoit, Oswego, Onondaga and Mohawk in my last suggestions. That is they are only ceded when USA forms.

But Cherokee lands Catawba (65) and Appalache (66) are currently included in these revolts, so is this maybe inconsistent with the Iroqouis?

That is, should they be all of them or none of them included in these revolts? Should the Cherokee lands only be secede if USA forms?

:wacko:

Bordic · Dec 24, 2007

In the end following are the suggested further colonial provinces which are to be included in the four events leading to the American Revolution (provRR increase as per my previous posts starting from 1067) and will also be included in the trigger about the "revolt areas" of the Olive Branch Petition from South to North:

Alabama (55), Alleghany (61) Catawba (65) Appalache (66) Powhatan (69) Shenandoah (70) Tuscarora (84) Ticonderoga (99) Bangor (112)

I don't know about provs #65 and 66 wheter they could be included or not as they are still in the Appalachians, which were the Eastern boundaries of the colonies by the way;
prov #99 seems to have been stage of a battle during the American Revolution and it should be in;
prov #112 should be the coastal continuation of the Massachusetts (today's Maine together with Penobscot, iirc)

Following provinces

Irondekoit (83), Oswego (89), Onondaga (90) and Mohawk (91)

will only be seceded in the events closing the birth of America sequence.

In any case, should they be also seceded to USA "if the congress succeeds" with ENG_4982 together with provinces above in this post if not yet included?

About Kentucky and Eire or Tennesse, I prefer to have them off the sequence, even if they sometimes are colonized by England. But the question is, should they be also seceded to USA in ENG_4982 together with all NA provinces including the Indian Reserve as per post #1080?

De-VILLARS · Dec 24, 2007

Bordic said:
And should they be ignored in the revolts for the birth of America too?

for american revolution i don't really know sorry

unmerged(40707) · Dec 24, 2007

Why shouldn't they revolt when revolts begin in other provinces?

If we apply this rule then England should secede the provinces. Colonization went too far but situation shouldn't become weird after Independence of USA at least until natural borders.

Bordic · Dec 24, 2007

YodaMaster said:
Why shouldn't they revolt when revolts begin in other provinces?

If we apply this rule then England should secede the provinces. Colonization went too far but situation shouldn't become weird after Independence of USA at least until natural borders.

You mean, we should let posts 1067-9 as they are and just work on the changes to the trigger of Olive Branch Petition with these provinces? And ENG_4982?
Which other provinces should it include, only the minimal and extra ones currently in revolt.txt for USA tag or all the revolting ones?
The USA entry in revolt.txt doesn't include The Indian Reserve (83-89-90-91) while 48 (Talahassee) and 56 (Tennessee) are out of historical range imo.

unmerged(40707) · Dec 24, 2007

I agree for Talahassee and Tennessee being out of historical range, and revolting provinces shouldn't defect to any country if not USA. Only provinces in USA cores should have raised RR but this doesn't mean England shouldn't lose others in the neighborhood. We have to make a difference between "we lost" and "we lost big" for England.

Bordic · Dec 24, 2007

YodaMaster said:
Only provinces in USA cores should have raised RR ...

Is that meaning that no more provinces than the ones we currently have shoud receive the localized RR or are you saying that we have to include more USA cores in revolt.txt such as part of the listed provinces mentioned in my latest posts #1105 and #1108?

I wonder if we also have to make a difference between revolting provinces and seceded provinces after the release of USA and its enlargement with ENG_4982.

As for now I cannot see any single event but I seem to recall that the "we lost" event only removes cores while the "we lost big" event removes cores and also secedes provinces...

Bordic · Dec 26, 2007

Here are my suggestions as per posts above:

Code:

USA = { #United States
	no = AZT #All Precolombian states
	no = CHM
	no = INC
	no = MAA
	no = ZAP
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1774 }
	expirydate = { year = 1820 }
	minimum = { [COLOR=Red]86 87[/COLOR] 54 62 63 64 68 85 [COLOR=Yellow]86 87[/COLOR] 88 101 102 103 }
	extra = { [COLOR=Red]48[/COLOR] 55 [COLOR=Red]56[/COLOR] 61 65 66 69 70 [COLOR=Yellow]83[/COLOR]  84 [COLOR=Yellow]89 90 91[/COLOR]  99 100 104 [COLOR=Yellow]112[/COLOR] }
	capital = 86
	group = latin
	ai = "USA_1774_Independence.ai"
}

and the hardest work...here are the new regional areas with the addition of prov #s 55, 61, 65, 66, 69, 70, 83, 84, 89, 90, 91, 99 and 112, which are also affected by provRR in events ENG_3047 3048 and 3049.

ENG OWNED PROVINCES: "COLONIZED AREAS"

Code:

GROUP 1
					owned = { province = 54 data = ENG } #Savannah
					owned = { province = 55 data = ENG } #Alabama
					owned = { province = 61 data = ENG } #Alleghany
					owned = { province = 62 data = ENG } #Carolina
					owned = { province = 63 data = ENG } #Santee

GROUP 2
					owned = { province = 64 data = ENG } #Roanoke
					owned = { province = 65 data = ENG } #Catawba
					owned = { province = 66 data = ENG } #Appalache
					owned = { province = 68 data = ENG } #Chesapeake
					owned = { province = 69 data = ENG } #Powhatan
					owned = { province = 70 data = ENG } #Shenandoah

GROUP 3
					owned = { province = 83 data = ENG } #Irondekoit
					owned = { province = 84 data = ENG } #Tuscarora
					owned = { province = 85 data = ENG } #Susquehanna
					owned = { province = 86 data = ENG } #Delaware
					owned = { province = 87 data = ENG } #Manhattan
					owned = { province = 88 data = ENG } #Catskill
					owned = { province = 89 data = ENG } #Oswego
					owned = { province = 90 data = ENG } #Mohawk
					owned = { province = 91 data = ENG } #Onondaga

GROUP 4
					owned = { province = 99 data = ENG } #Ticonderoga
					owned = { province = 100 data = ENG } #Adirondak
					owned = { province = 101 data = ENG } #Sebago
					owned = { province = 102 data = ENG } #Connecticut
					owned = { province = 103 data = ENG } #Massachussetts
					owned = { province = 104 data = ENG } #Penobscot
					owned = { province = 112 data = ENG } #Bangor

REBEL CONTROLLED PROVINCES: "REVOLT AREAS" from original 6 to 5, group 5 should represent the New England like group 4 of previous colonized areas

Code:

GROUP 1
					control = { province = 54 data = REB } #Savannah
					control = { province = 55 data = REB } #Alabama
					control = { province = 61 data = REB } #Alleghany
					control = { province = 62 data = REB } #Carolina

GROUP 2
					control = { province = 63 data = REB } #Santee
					control = { province = 64 data = REB } #Roanoke
					control = { province = 65 data = REB } #Catawba
					control = { province = 66 data = REB } #Appalache

GROUP 3
					control = { province = 68 data = REB } #Chesapeake
					control = { province = 69 data = REB } #Powhatan
					control = { province = 70 data = REB } #Shenandoah
					control = { province = 83 data = REB } #Irondekoit
					control = { province = 84 data = REB } #Tuscarora
					control = { province = 86 data = REB } #Delaware

GROUP 4
					control = { province = 85 data = REB } #Susquehanna
					control = { province = 87 data = REB } #Manhattan
					control = { province = 88 data = REB } #Catskill
					control = { province = 89 data = REB } #Oswego
					control = { province = 90 data = REB } #Mohawk
					control = { province = 91 data = REB } #Onondaga

GROUP 5
					control = { province = 99 data = REB } #Ticonderoga
					control = { province = 100 data = REB } #Adirondak
					control = { province = 101 data = REB } #Sebago
					control = { province = 102 data = REB } #Connecticut
					control = { province = 103 data = REB } #Massachussetts
					control = { province = 104 data = REB } #Penobscot
					control = { province = 112 data = REB } #Bangor

and the changes in the trigger and in the action B as per current version 155 beta 10:

Code:

#(1775-1820) The Olive Branch Petition
#by Bordic
event = {
	id = 164046
	trigger = {
		[COLOR=Yellow]#England must own at least one province from each of the following combinations  
		OR = {
			AND = { #groups 1-2
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 54 data = ENG } #Savannah
					owned = { province = 55 data = ENG } #Alabama
					owned = { province = 61 data = ENG } #Alleghany
					owned = { province = 62 data = ENG } #Carolina
					owned = { province = 63 data = ENG } #Santee
				}
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 64 data = ENG } #Roanoke
					owned = { province = 65 data = ENG } #Catawba
					owned = { province = 66 data = ENG } #Appalache
					owned = { province = 68 data = ENG } #Chesapeake
					owned = { province = 69 data = ENG } #Powhatan
					owned = { province = 70 data = ENG } #Shenandoah
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 1-3
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 54 data = ENG } #Savannah
					owned = { province = 55 data = ENG } #Alabama
					owned = { province = 61 data = ENG } #Alleghany
					owned = { province = 62 data = ENG } #Carolina
					owned = { province = 63 data = ENG } #Santee
				}
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 83 data = ENG } #Irondekoit
					owned = { province = 84 data = ENG } #Tuscarora
					owned = { province = 85 data = ENG } #Susquehanna
					owned = { province = 86 data = ENG } #Delaware
					owned = { province = 87 data = ENG } #Manhattan
					owned = { province = 88 data = ENG } #Catskill
					owned = { province = 89 data = ENG } #Oswego
					owned = { province = 90 data = ENG } #Mohawk
					owned = { province = 91 data = ENG } #Onondaga
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 1-4
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 54 data = ENG } #Savannah
					owned = { province = 55 data = ENG } #Alabama
					owned = { province = 61 data = ENG } #Alleghany
					owned = { province = 62 data = ENG } #Carolina
					owned = { province = 63 data = ENG } #Santee
				}
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 99 data = ENG } #Ticonderoga
					owned = { province = 100 data = ENG } #Adirondak
					owned = { province = 101 data = ENG } #Sebago
					owned = { province = 102 data = ENG } #Connecticut
					owned = { province = 103 data = ENG } #Massachussetts
					owned = { province = 104 data = ENG } #Penobscot
					owned = { province = 112 data = ENG } #Bangor
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 2-3
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 64 data = ENG } #Roanoke
					owned = { province = 65 data = ENG } #Catawba
					owned = { province = 66 data = ENG } #Appalache
					owned = { province = 68 data = ENG } #Chesapeake
					owned = { province = 69 data = ENG } #Powhatan
					owned = { province = 70 data = ENG } #Shenandoah
				}
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 83 data = ENG } #Irondekoit
					owned = { province = 84 data = ENG } #Tuscarora
					owned = { province = 85 data = ENG } #Susquehanna
					owned = { province = 86 data = ENG } #Delaware
					owned = { province = 87 data = ENG } #Manhattan
					owned = { province = 88 data = ENG } #Catskill
					owned = { province = 89 data = ENG } #Oswego
					owned = { province = 90 data = ENG } #Mohawk
					owned = { province = 91 data = ENG } #Onondaga
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 2-4
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 64 data = ENG } #Roanoke
					owned = { province = 65 data = ENG } #Catawba
					owned = { province = 66 data = ENG } #Appalache
					owned = { province = 68 data = ENG } #Chesapeake
					owned = { province = 69 data = ENG } #Powhatan
					owned = { province = 70 data = ENG } #Shenandoah
				}
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 99 data = ENG } #Ticonderoga
					owned = { province = 100 data = ENG } #Adirondak
					owned = { province = 101 data = ENG } #Sebago
					owned = { province = 102 data = ENG } #Connecticut
					owned = { province = 103 data = ENG } #Massachussetts
					owned = { province = 104 data = ENG } #Penobscot
					owned = { province = 112 data = ENG } #Bangor
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 3-4
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 83 data = ENG } #Irondekoit
					owned = { province = 84 data = ENG } #Tuscarora
					owned = { province = 85 data = ENG } #Susquehanna
					owned = { province = 86 data = ENG } #Delaware
					owned = { province = 87 data = ENG } #Manhattan
					owned = { province = 88 data = ENG } #Catskill
					owned = { province = 89 data = ENG } #Oswego
					owned = { province = 90 data = ENG } #Mohawk
					owned = { province = 91 data = ENG } #Onondaga
				}
				OR = {
					owned = { province = 99 data = ENG } #Ticonderoga
					owned = { province = 100 data = ENG } #Adirondak
					owned = { province = 101 data = ENG } #Sebago
					owned = { province = 102 data = ENG } #Connecticut
					owned = { province = 103 data = ENG } #Massachussetts
					owned = { province = 104 data = ENG } #Penobscot
					owned = { province = 112 data = ENG } #Bangor
				}
			}
		}[/COLOR]  
		monarch = 046028 #George III
		event = 3049 #ENG: The American Revolution
		NOT = {
			OR = {
				exists = USA
				event = 4983 #ENG: The Treaty of Paris (USA has won)
				event = 4984 #ENG: The Treaty of Paris (ENG has lost territories)
				event = 4985 #ENG: The Destruction of the Tax Revolt (ENG has won, no USA)
				event = 3052 #ENG: The North American Union (no USA, FRA radical republic)
				event = 4987 #ENG: Colonial dissatisfaction cools (no USA, patch event reducing RR)
			}
		}
		[COLOR=Yellow]#Rebels must control at least one province from each of the following combinations  
		OR = {
			AND = { #groups 1-2-3
				OR = {
					control = { province = 54 data = REB } #Savannah
					control = { province = 55 data = REB } #Alabama
					control = { province = 61 data = REB } #Alleghany
					control = { province = 62 data = REB } #Carolina
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 63 data = REB } #Santee
					control = { province = 64 data = REB } #Roanoke
					control = { province = 65 data = REB } #Catawba
					control = { province = 66 data = REB } #Appalache
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 68 data = REB } #Chesapeake
					control = { province = 69 data = REB } #Powhatan
					control = { province = 70 data = REB } #Shenandoah
					control = { province = 83 data = REB } #Irondekoit
					control = { province = 84 data = REB } #Tuscarora
					control = { province = 86 data = REB } #Delaware
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 1-2-4
				OR = {
					control = { province = 54 data = REB } #Savannah
					control = { province = 55 data = REB } #Alabama
					control = { province = 61 data = REB } #Alleghany
					control = { province = 62 data = REB } #Carolina
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 63 data = REB } #Santee
					control = { province = 64 data = REB } #Roanoke
					control = { province = 65 data = REB } #Catawba
					control = { province = 66 data = REB } #Appalache
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 85 data = REB } #Susquehanna
					control = { province = 87 data = REB } #Manhattan
					control = { province = 88 data = REB } #Catskill
					control = { province = 89 data = REB } #Oswego
					control = { province = 90 data = REB } #Mohawk
					control = { province = 91 data = REB } #Onondaga
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 1-2-5
				OR = {
					control = { province = 54 data = REB } #Savannah
					control = { province = 55 data = REB } #Alabama
					control = { province = 61 data = REB } #Alleghany
					control = { province = 62 data = REB } #Carolina
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 63 data = REB } #Santee
					control = { province = 64 data = REB } #Roanoke
					control = { province = 65 data = REB } #Catawba
					control = { province = 66 data = REB } #Appalache
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 99 data = REB } #Ticonderoga
					control = { province = 100 data = REB } #Adirondak
					control = { province = 101 data = REB } #Sebago
					control = { province = 102 data = REB } #Connecticut
					control = { province = 103 data = REB } #Massachussetts
					control = { province = 104 data = REB } #Penobscot
					control = { province = 112 data = REB } #Bangor
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 1-3-4
				OR = {
					control = { province = 54 data = REB } #Savannah
					control = { province = 55 data = REB } #Alabama
					control = { province = 61 data = REB } #Alleghany
					control = { province = 62 data = REB } #Carolina
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 68 data = REB } #Chesapeake
					control = { province = 69 data = REB } #Powhatan
					control = { province = 70 data = REB } #Shenandoah
					control = { province = 83 data = REB } #Irondekoit
					control = { province = 84 data = REB } #Tuscarora
					control = { province = 86 data = REB } #Delaware
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 85 data = REB } #Susquehanna
					control = { province = 87 data = REB } #Manhattan
					control = { province = 88 data = REB } #Catskill
					control = { province = 89 data = REB } #Oswego
					control = { province = 90 data = REB } #Mohawk
					control = { province = 91 data = REB } #Onondaga
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 1-3-5
				OR = {
					control = { province = 54 data = REB } #Savannah
					control = { province = 55 data = REB } #Alabama
					control = { province = 61 data = REB } #Alleghany
					control = { province = 62 data = REB } #Carolina
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 68 data = REB } #Chesapeake
					control = { province = 69 data = REB } #Powhatan
					control = { province = 70 data = REB } #Shenandoah
					control = { province = 83 data = REB } #Irondekoit
					control = { province = 84 data = REB } #Tuscarora
					control = { province = 86 data = REB } #Delaware
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 99 data = REB } #Ticonderoga
					control = { province = 100 data = REB } #Adirondak
					control = { province = 101 data = REB } #Sebago
					control = { province = 102 data = REB } #Connecticut
					control = { province = 103 data = REB } #Massachussetts
					control = { province = 104 data = REB } #Penobscot
					control = { province = 112 data = REB } #Bangor
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 1-4-5
				OR = {
					control = { province = 54 data = REB } #Savannah
					control = { province = 55 data = REB } #Alabama
					control = { province = 61 data = REB } #Alleghany
					control = { province = 62 data = REB } #Carolinaa
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 85 data = REB } #Susquehanna
					control = { province = 87 data = REB } #Manhattan
					control = { province = 88 data = REB } #Catskill
					control = { province = 89 data = REB } #Oswego
					control = { province = 90 data = REB } #Mohawk
					control = { province = 91 data = REB } #Onondaga
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 99 data = REB } #Ticonderoga
					control = { province = 100 data = REB } #Adirondak
					control = { province = 101 data = REB } #Sebago
					control = { province = 102 data = REB } #Connecticut
					control = { province = 103 data = REB } #Massachussetts
					control = { province = 104 data = REB } #Penobscot
					control = { province = 112 data = REB } #Bangor
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 2-3-4
				OR = {
					control = { province = 63 data = REB } #Santee
					control = { province = 64 data = REB } #Roanoke
					control = { province = 65 data = REB } #Catawba
					control = { province = 66 data = REB } #Appalache
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 68 data = REB } #Chesapeake
					control = { province = 69 data = REB } #Powhatan
					control = { province = 70 data = REB } #Shenandoah
					control = { province = 83 data = REB } #Irondekoit
					control = { province = 84 data = REB } #Tuscarora
					control = { province = 86 data = REB } #Delaware
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 85 data = REB } #Susquehanna
					control = { province = 87 data = REB } #Manhattan
					control = { province = 88 data = REB } #Catskill
					control = { province = 89 data = REB } #Oswego
					control = { province = 90 data = REB } #Mohawk
					control = { province = 91 data = REB } #Onondaga
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 2-3-5
				OR = {
					control = { province = 63 data = REB } #Santee
					control = { province = 64 data = REB } #Roanoke
					control = { province = 65 data = REB } #Catawba
					control = { province = 66 data = REB } #Appalache
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 68 data = REB } #Chesapeake
					control = { province = 69 data = REB } #Powhatan
					control = { province = 70 data = REB } #Shenandoah
					control = { province = 83 data = REB } #Irondekoit
					control = { province = 84 data = REB } #Tuscarora
					control = { province = 86 data = REB } #Delaware
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 99 data = REB } #Ticonderoga
					control = { province = 100 data = REB } #Adirondak
					control = { province = 101 data = REB } #Sebago
					control = { province = 102 data = REB } #Connecticut
					control = { province = 103 data = REB } #Massachussetts
					control = { province = 104 data = REB } #Penobscot
					control = { province = 112 data = REB } #Bangor
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 2-4-5
				OR = {
					control = { province = 63 data = REB } #Santee
					control = { province = 64 data = REB } #Roanoke
					control = { province = 65 data = REB } #Catawba
					control = { province = 66 data = REB } #Appalache
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 85 data = REB } #Susquehanna
					control = { province = 87 data = REB } #Manhattan
					control = { province = 88 data = REB } #Catskill
					control = { province = 89 data = REB } #Oswego
					control = { province = 90 data = REB } #Mohawk
					control = { province = 91 data = REB } #Onondaga
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 99 data = REB } #Ticonderoga
					control = { province = 100 data = REB } #Adirondak
					control = { province = 101 data = REB } #Sebago
					control = { province = 102 data = REB } #Connecticut
					control = { province = 103 data = REB } #Massachussetts
					control = { province = 104 data = REB } #Penobscot
					control = { province = 112 data = REB } #Bangor
				}
			}
			AND = { #groups 3-4-5
				OR = {
					control = { province = 68 data = REB } #Chesapeake
					control = { province = 69 data = REB } #Powhatan
					control = { province = 70 data = REB } #Shenandoah
					control = { province = 83 data = REB } #Irondekoit
					control = { province = 84 data = REB } #Tuscarora
					control = { province = 86 data = REB } #Delaware
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 85 data = REB } #Susquehanna
					control = { province = 87 data = REB } #Manhattan
					control = { province = 88 data = REB } #Catskill
					control = { province = 89 data = REB } #Oswego
					control = { province = 90 data = REB } #Mohawk
					control = { province = 91 data = REB } #Onondaga
				}
				OR = {
					control = { province = 99 data = REB } #Ticonderoga
					control = { province = 100 data = REB } #Adirondak
					control = { province = 101 data = REB } #Sebago
					control = { province = 102 data = REB } #Connecticut
					control = { province = 103 data = REB } #Massachussetts
					control = { province = 104 data = REB } #Penobscot
					control = { province = 112 data = REB } #Bangor
				}
			}
		}[/COLOR]  
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME164046" #The Olive Branch Petition
	desc = "EVENTHIST164046"
	#-#

	date = { day = 22 month = august year = 1775 }
	offset = 26
	deathdate = { year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164046A" #Proclaim the state of rebellion in the colonies
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = DIP which = -2 value = 60 }
		command = { type = ADM which = -2 value = 60 }
		command = { type = independence which = USA }
		command = { type = trigger which = 324002 } #USA: The American Revolutionary War
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164046B" #Appease the demands of these 'Patriots'
		command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = -7 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = -6 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = -3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = SERFDOM value = -2 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HOL value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 50 }
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -1000 }
		[COLOR=Yellow]#13 eu2 vanilla rebelling colonies[/COLOR]
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 54 value = -70 } #Savannah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 62 value = -70 } #Carolina
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 63 value = -70 } #Santee
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 64 value = -70 } #Roanoke
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 68 value = -70 } #Chesapeake
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 85 value = -70 } #Susquehanna
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 86 value = -70 } #Delaware
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 87 value = -70 } #Manhattan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 88 value = -70 } #Catskill
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 100 value = -70 } #Adirondak
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 101 value = -70 } #Sebago
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 102 value = -70 } #Connecticut
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 103 value = -70 } #Massachusetts
		[COLOR=Yellow]#further coastal and inland rebelling colonies
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 55 value = -70 } #Alabama
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 61 value = -70 } #Alleghany
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 65 value = -70 } #Catawba
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 66 value = -70 } #Appalache
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 69 value = -70 } #Powhatan
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 70 value = -70 } #Shenandoah
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 83 value = -70 } #Irondekoit
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 84 value = -70 } #Tuscarora
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 89 value = -70 } #Oswego
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 90 value = -70 } #Mohawk
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 91 value = -70 } #Onondaga
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 99 value = -70 } #Ticonderoga[/COLOR]
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 104 value = -70 } #Penobscot
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 112 value = -70 } #Bangor[/COLOR]
	}
}

#-#Following the Boston Tea Party and the English blockade of Boston harbour, the representatives from all of the American colonies on the East Coast subject to His Majesty except Georgia, assembled in the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia in September 1774 to discuss about following a common policy in defining their rights of British American colonists and suspending trade with the motherland, so distrusting the authority of a Parliament lacking American representatives. The following year, in a situation of internal conflicts between 'Patriots', rebels arranged in a local militia, and English regular troops, a Second Continental Congress was convened in Philadelphia, on 10 May 1775, with the participation of representatives of 13 colonies. Decisions were made about the creation of a Continental Army under the command of a Virginian planter, George Washington, to oppose the British and about signing a petition (Olive Branch Petition) to be extended to the crown and assure the king of England of the loyalty of the British American colonists, who were asking for reconciliation and resignation of His Majesty's ministers, clearly unable to meet their requests. But news of the English army successfully repressing the rebels in America came to Britain together with that petition so that the King firmly refused to intercede and redress colonial grievances. He issued the 'Proclamation for Suppressing Rebellion and Sedition' declaring elements of the American colonies in a state of open and avowed rebellion. There would be no negotiations whatsoever until the stipulation of the Treaty of Paris in 1783, with which England would formally recognize the independence of the Thirteen United States of America.

unmerged(40707) · Dec 31, 2007

Natives population replacing NA tribes are too low and too easily killed. Hurons don't need a change but others should be a real annoyance for England and colonization, Only problem is avoiding them killing all English explorers...

I suggest:
8,000 in Kentucky (67) and Mohawk (90)
7,000 in Onondaga (91) and Oswego (89)
6,000 in Tuscarora (84)
5,000 in Adirondak (100)
4,500 in Tennessee (56)
4,000 in Appalache (66) and Irondekoit (83)
3,500 in Erie (71), Alleghany (61) and Alabama (55)
3,000 in Ticonderoga (99) and Susquehanna (85)

No change to aggressiveness levels.

Remark: high levels of population (3,500 and above) have a different sprite.

unmerged(40707) · Apr 3, 2008

When England remains Catholic and/or James III is on the throne, innovation is still high but trigger for the American Revolution is:

Code:

NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 5 } }

In my tests, I have almost always 8 for 1760 but sometimes 4 if James III is the ruler and USA almost never form because ENG_3047 (or most important ENG_3049) never fires.

Why is there such a difference for George III (innovative must be 10 in order to avoid the sequence)?
Couldn't we increase for James III to 9?

Bordic · Apr 3, 2008

YodaMaster said:
When England remains Catholic and/or James III is on the throne, innovation is still high but trigger for the American Revolution is:

Code:

NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 5 } }

In my tests, I have almost always 8 for 1760 but sometimes 4 if James III is the ruler and USA almost never form because ENG_3047 (or most important ENG_3049) never fires.

Why is there such a difference for George III (innovative must be 10 in order to avoid the sequence)?
Couldn't we increase for James III to 9?

Well, I went for 5 as I was told (I can't remeber who...

an American for sure!

) that an hypotetical Stuart king would have received more favour in the North American colonies, where the historical king failed to receive consensus with the Olive Branch Petition.

However we could go with a value between 7 and 9 as 10 should be for the Hanoverian king only. Or, if innovation is too high, we can add another DP test such as centralization or land, or aristocracy...

unmerged(40707) · Apr 4, 2008

I have to check other DPs but 9 is the minimal for innovative in most cases if we want to see American revolution for ahistorical England (and ahistorical is always for monarchs when Catholic). Not much difference with George...

Maybe we could use religion then and have innovative = 5 only if still Protestant or Reformed or 9 if Catholic or CRC? Does it make sense?

Garbon · Apr 11, 2008

So after having seen the U.S. waste money on colonies/tps/traders while trying to fight off the British, I'm going to suggest that we give the U.S. the Large.ai upon revolting and once it has cleared out of the initial war, let it have its colonizing/trading-focused AI.

Code:

event = {
	id = 
	trigger = { 
		ai = yes 
		atwar = no
	}
	random = no
	country = USA
	name = "AI_EVENT"
	desc = "Start colonizing"

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1774 }
	offset = 20
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = october year = 1820 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Change to Independence AI"
		command = { type = ai which = USA_1774_Independence.ai }
	}
}

Code:

USA = { #United States
	no = AZT #All Precolombian states
	no = CHM
	no = INC
	no = MAA
	no = ZAP
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1774 }
	expirydate = { year = 1820 }
	minimum = { 54 62 63 64 68 85 86 87 88 101 102 103 }
	extra = { 55 61 65 66 69 70 83 84 89 90 91 99 100 104 112 }
	capital = 86
	group = latin
	[color=red]ai = "USA_1774_Independence.ai"[/color]
	[color=yellow]ai = "Large.ai"[/color]
}

unmerged(40707) · Apr 11, 2008

We have the same problem with Netherlands when they form by revolt (i.e. not released by Spain when all Dutch provinces owned by Spain are rebels controlled).

Garbon · Apr 11, 2008

I don't know if this is as much of a problem with the Netherlands. In all my tests lately, they for the most part can hold their own as we give them a lot of goodies at start/all of their provinces have fortresses. Here and there, I've seen the Netherlands get gutted in their initial wars, but it doesn't happen most of the time.

/I'd also rather not push Dutch colonization back as it is already precarious enough.

unmerged(40707) · Apr 18, 2008

YodaMaster said:
Maybe we could use religion then and have innovative = 5 only if still Protestant or Reformed or 9 if Catholic or CRC? Does it make sense?

Nobody seems to oppose...

Condition in ENG_3047, ENG_3048 and ENG_3049:

Code:

				NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 5 } }

replaced with:

Code:

				OR = {
					AND = {
						NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 9 } }
						OR = {
							religion = catholic
							religion = counterreform
						}
					}
					AND = {
						NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 5 } }
						OR = {
							religion = protestant
							religion = reformed
						}
					}
			}

EDIT: for historical monarch George III, being Catholic or CRC will mean innovative cannot prevent events from firing.
Condition:

Code:

				NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 10 } }

replaced with:

Code:

				OR = {
					OR = {
						religion = catholic
						religion = counterreform
					}
					AND = {
						NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 10 } }
						OR = {
							religion = protestant
							religion = reformed
						}
					}
				}

Bordic · Apr 19, 2008

And what about having England being Catholic with the Hanovers on the throne? Is this still a possible path? In this case shouldn't the American revolution automatic, ie without testing innovation level?

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