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English Patriot said:
The She-Wolf of France!! God save us!
Well, not THE She-Wolf, but Margaret works just as well as Isabella did back in the day.
She'll certainly have some effect.
Fulcrumvale said:
York will...take care of that...
This made me laugh quite a lot, Ful! Wonderful. :rofl:
GhostWriter said:
coz1: ...And Suffolk…he too would find a difference after this day. His wife’s words had been truer than either of them knew.
egad ! ! what a reward ! !
magnificent update ! !
Indeed. But consider that his peace proposal was not sanctioned and is truly not what will endear him to pretty much anyone. He has it coming, to be sure.
Hannibal Barca2 said:
Richard of York truly seems to have the king's favour! And I am slightly beginning to create a better understanding of how things work in this place.
Anyway, will you do an actual gameplay? Or will it be a history mostly based on reality?
And I must agree with GhostWriter... This truly is a great update
Excellent! And thank you. As for the game, I certainly intend on using the game as template. It will be buried, but it will be a guide, nonetheless. Right now I am using the actual history to help build towards that divergence and hoping to set up "the players" that will inhabit that alt-world.
Judas Maccabeus said:
Ah, Margaret of Anjou... the pieces just keep falling into place, don't they? They way you're setting up your characters, once they get into action after May 1453, they'll be able to cause quite a good mess.
Indeed, they will. At least, that is the hope.
Director said:
Enter Iron Margaret, fair of face and mild of speech. That will certainly change.
I must agree with de la Pole's wife: giving up two provinces for peace only ensures the peace will be short. Such a peace only gives the English a scapegoat to blame it on...
Yes, it certainly will. And so true on Suffolk - he won't be happy in a few years time...that is, if he can feel any emotions at all.
LeonTrotsky said:
Excellent dialogue again. Biting sarcasm is always a winner in my book.
Mine as well. There is something so wonderful about using flowery language to say the meanest things. I have a lot of fun with it, definitely.
Lord Durham said:
Nice work. I'd say you are hitting your stride with the characters, establishing their divergent personalities and motives. This story promises to be intricate and detailed, the way I like them. Can't wait for more.
Thanks, LD! I do feel as though I am getting more comfortable with their personages and how they interact, as well as gaining some steam with their motives. It has been both fun and a challenge to give just enough to make them interesting while also making sure that what they do and say plays into what comes after - when the game starts. We'll see how well it works, certainly.
Lord E said:
Nice update Coz
Your characters are becoming better and better and I must say you are setting the scene very well. It is a little funny to think that we are still just in the prologue part of the story as the game hasn’t started yet, but the more I read the more I want for this to go on for a long time because it is a very fine and good story. I fear that Suffolk will soon be in trouble if giving away two provinces are his view on a good peace and the new Queen is sure to create a lot of trouble…
Thanks so much for that comment, Lord E. I do so enjoy creating rich characters. More than anything, they are what my stories hinge upon. That others see them as artfully as I do as a wonderful thing to hear. It means I am doing something right. And yes, Margaret plans on having much to say in future updates.
J. Passepartout said:
What are we saying, gentlemen? This woman is obviously as pure as snow, and meek as the lamb! Why would the Duke of York wish to anger her?
So true, JP. Why indeed? Heh. Why, they should be best of friends, right?
stnylan said:
Well I have now managed to read up on this most excellent tale, and most excellent it is. There is a good sense of the dynastic elements already, which I presume will work themselves through in time. Families are tricky businesses at the best of times, and these are not the best of times. There is an undercurrent to all the updates, sometimes more to the fore, sometimes less, but always there. Something is not right in the realm of England, there is a discordant note that screeches, rather than sings. It started right in the first post, with the murder already done before the would-be assassins had a chance to ply their trade. More recently a little fratricide made the sound stronger, more insistent, and now we have a dishonourable peace, brim-full with the possibility of recrimination and accusation. There is great pomp and show, and just at this moment I think that perhaps the players are not really aware of the sickness in their souls. Perhaps they catch a hint of it, now and then, but for the most part think nothing of it and attribute such ill-thoughts as they possess to the nature of the world, to the politics and dislikes, ordinary emnities. Apart from perhaps a brother with a brother's blood, and maybe a wife who sees more clearly than her husband. Perhaps, for I am not sure.
All in all, excellent!
Edit: In some respects I have just realised this reminds me of the start of Into the West, in the way that through a number of incidents there you showed and described the slow decline from an earthy heaven to a very real hell. Of course here things were never so celestial at the start, but the sense of an impending storm remains the same. It is a subtle thing, but you are portraying masterfully, whether you intend to or no.
As always, an excellent comment, my friend! I certainly have worked to try and build with these posts something that will help inform what comes after when the game begins. I have tried not to spend too much time on the specifics and rather simply build upon a theme which must be coming across if you are picking it up. Once we get going in earnest, things will be a bit more magnified, but the theme should remain. Keep me honest on that, won't you?
And I just want to thank you again for recalling Into the West as it was such a labor of love for me...a labor, to be sure (hah, hah!
) but one that I was so very proud of once completed. It is good to know that it is still remembered long after it has fallen to page three and beyond.
VILenin said:
Quite an ominous ending! Fortunately, in this instance, my knowledge of the War of the Roses is somewhat sketchy so the story remains very much a surprise. You have me hanging in suspense, coz.
Suffolk and Alice Chauced are a most excellent couple, I might add; they seem to be made for each other. And I certainly wouldn't want to get on Alice's bad side.
Well, that's a good thing, no? Perhaps while I entertain, I may also educate a bit and that is the ultimate goal of an artist (not that I may call myself that, but one can hope.) And no, Alice is not one to be trifled with.
Nil-The-Frogg said:
What can I add to VILenin's post? That I won't have time to improve my knowledge about the war of the roses and will just read your story like a good novel!
Being French yourself, I imagine you had enough learning of the 100 Years War period, Who needs to know the intricate workings of that nation of shopkeepers, right?
Well, they may fascinate you. At least, I hope they do.
merrick said:
And so the players are assembled - for the first act, at any rate.
Interesting that John Beaufort regarded Suffolk as the author of his misfortunes, but Suffolk appeared to believe that the Beauforts had failed him. A difference of perspective? Or wheels within wheels?
Good that you saw a little of Suffolk's problem, as I see it. He wanted the power but wasn't quite up for it. He certainly sees things from his own perspective and he and the Beaufort's, while allies, still have a bit of a power play going on.
Lot's of excellent comments, folks! Thank you so much for that. I really kind of struggled with this past scene and it feels so good to see it received as it has been, as has this whole enterprise thus far! I really do appreciate it. We are just about near to the end of 40 Years On which means all of my attention will be turning towards this in the days and weeks ahead. I hope to get the actual game off the ground within the next couple of weeks and then we can really get moving.
I do wonder - are there any graphics wizards out there? I have an idea for a new avatar but have been unable to work it properly to my satisfaction. I could use a little help. Send me a PM if interested. I would definitely appreciate it since I myself am hopeless. [EDIT - worked that one out, thanks.]
Thanks for all your comments and for reading my words. Truly!