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Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #110 - Building Ownership & Foreign Investment

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Hello and welcome to another Victoria 3 Dev Diary!

After last week’s look at Power Blocs, we are going to take a look at another major set of changes that are going to arrive with Sphere of Influence and the free 1.7 update.

Namely, a revision of the Building Ownership system and what it allows us to do: Foreign Investment, a much requested feature which makes its debut in 1.7.

You will see that the changes we are making impact your visibility of ownership and the affected Pops throughout the game.

To understand all the mechanics we will be looking at an example country in the heart of Europe.

Ownership types​

It’s 1836. In Bavaria, a proud member of the Zollverein Power Bloc, all buildings are owned by the state or the workers themselves.

Capitalists, Aristocrats, and Clergymen no longer work in these buildings, and most of the Shopkeepers no longer work in production buildings directly. In addition, the Ownership Production Methods have been removed. Instead, ownership works on a per level basis, allowing a mixed ownership structure in the same building.

A popular Logging Camp it seems. Workers, a Financial District and a Manor House own a part.
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In worker-owned buildings employees work for themselves basically. So any dividends they may accumulate, they split amongst themselves. This is the default at game start for many countries (not all) and is a state which you can more or less return to at a later stage of the game with the enactment of Cooperative Ownership, which will expropriate your privately owned buildings over time.

One major exception from the ownership situation at game start are subsistence farms which are owned by a new building we are introducing: Manor Houses.

Now they lounge around in luxury, instead of slumming it with the common folks in less refined taste buildings, we wouldn't want their shoes to be dirtied on a subsistence farm!
Manor Houses are able to own levels of other buildings, in our case at game start all the levels of Subsistence Farms in their own states. They pay their wages and dividends by collecting dividends from the buildings they own and distributing them among their employees.
What type and how many employees they have is determined by a limited set of PMs.

Clergymen or Aristocrats? You can’t get rid of both of them!
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So you can see there are still jobs for Clergymen. What about the Shopkeepers and Capitalists?
Well, they work in the new Financial District buildings, which behave pretty much like the Manor Houses. They too have different employment PMs, can own levels of other buildings and pay their employees by collecting dividends from owned building levels.

Both new buildings expand automatically, depending on how many levels they own. For example if a new level of a privately owned factory is created, a corresponding new level of a Financial District is also generated.

All building levels that you construct are country-owned. Under certain laws, this status can change soon after they are finished constructing. Country-owned buildings come with reduced Economy of Scale bonuses and a bureaucracy cost for each level you own. But in return they can provide additional income based on the building’s dividends which partially get transferred to your treasury.

Not all buildings can be of any ownership type of course, for example barracks or government administrations will always be country-owned.

Summing up, there are now three types of ownership for any building level:
  • Worker owned
  • Privately owned (Financial Districts and Manor Houses)
  • Country owned

If all buildings in Bavaria are owned by the workers or the country itself, how do the first Financial Districts appear, you may wonder!

The main way to get that to happen is the next point on our agenda.

Privatization​

Enter Privatization, whereby you allow country-owned buildings to be sold to Pops.

If you are short on cash, Privatization might help you
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This makes it possible for your Pops to acquire them. Depending on the type of building you are privatizing, they usually get bought either by Aristocrats or Capitalists, using the investment pool’s funds.
If you don’t have any capitalists in your country yet, other Pops may step up though, using the investment pool’s funds to buy a building you put up for sale and become Capitalists in the process, which in turn leads to the first Financial District appearing.

The money will be transferred from the investment pool to your country’s treasury once that happens. The cost of buying a level is determined by its construction cost and is modified by most of the Economic System laws. These laws also affect the efficiency of these transactions, meaning how much money is lost as overhead and how much is being reinvested into the investment pool or the treasury.
One particularly interesting law is Laissez-Faire which upon enactment forces all your country-owned buildings to be put up for sale and will automatically do so for every new building level you construct. Similarly, enactment of other laws like Cooperative Ownership and Command Economy doesn’t immediately change the ownership of all buildings, but rather can start a process that can convert your economy over time.

Insert witty joke about the free market here
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Now let’s take a look at how the different ownership model affects investments from your Pops.

Investment​

The existing logic for how the private investment pool works remains similar to before. So, different Pop types still have different priorities and they will look at factors like estimated productivity, available workforce etc.
When a building is about to be constructed by private investment, we randomly determine who is building it, favoring already existing Financial Districts and Manor Houses over creating new ones.

In a worker-owned economy, the private investment pool will continue to function, but they will only expand their own buildings, not create new ones.

An important fact with this system is that investments do not need to be local. A Financial District or Manor House can invest in any of your country’s states, including your colonies overseas.
This system will create a flow of money from the colonies to your homelands, a stronger centralization of wealth and power and it will end the status of colonies’ Pops making more money than your Pops at home.

Of course the non-local investments also come with some challenges with regards to other countries.

It looks like Prussia has heard about that option and has started investing in your country!

“First they took our chairs, then the tables we used to eat at. What’s next? Our beds?!”
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Foreign Investment​

There are a few ways to acquire Foreign Investment Rights.

First of all, overlords can always invest in their subjects. This is part of the free 1.7 update and will allow you to do Foreign Investment where it matters the most, even if you do not own Sphere of Influence.

Then there are three diplomatic pacts which you can use if you have bought the expansion:
  1. Mutual Investment Rights which allows both countries to invest in each other
  2. One-directional Investment Rights in either direction, so you either demand to be allowed to invest in their country or offer another country to invest in yours

The [redacted] has been [redacted]. We shall see its effects on the 11. of April.
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There is also a Power Bloc Principle group that deals with Foreign Investment which on Tier 3 has the consequence of being able to invest in any member country.

No matter how you got the Investment Rights, you and also your Pops will be able to invest in the target country. Private investment does consider foreign states as potential targets for their expansions, allowing them to build profitable buildings more easily.

As nice as it is that Prussia has invested in new buildings in Bavaria, I don’t think we can let them get away with diverting the profits to Berlin instead of our own population!

Nationalization​

Nationalization allows you to take control of foreign assets in your country. You cannot nationalize other countries’ assets as long as they possess Foreign Investment rights in your country.

Once that is no longer the case, e.g. if Bavaria left the Zollverein Power Bloc, you can peacefully nationalize their building levels in your country. For that you need to pay a sum of money from your treasury. Similarly to Privatization, the sum is determined by the construction cost + modifiers from laws.

You will also be able to nationalize your own Pops’ building levels, both worker-owned and privately owned, if you’d like to take ownership. Nationalization is not seen positively by the affected Pops of course and will radicalize them.

“We should compensate them to reduce the quarrels.”
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But what if the Bavarian coffers are empty yet you still want to take over that juicy productive Furniture Manufacturies that is owned by Prussia?

Well, there is always an alternative.

“Pay them? I don’t think so!”
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You can demand nationalization of a country’s assets in your country. If they accept, their building levels’ ownership changes to your country. If they don’t, you can try and enforce it as a wargoal. If you are successful, you will also remove their Foreign Investment Rights for your country in addition to taking control of their buildings in your country.

Building Registry​

To visualize all these new mechanics, we are introducing the Building Registry, which allows you a customizable look at your country’s situation.

All the building data one could wish for
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This is a major new UI, that similar to the Census Data window, comes with a lot of functionality to filter the available data. Only show buildings outside your country? Sure. See all buildings that are owned by Pops and which are currently not hiring but not fully employed? No problem.

Lots of filter groups to browse through
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We hope you find this as useful as we do. You can access it via the button on the bottom of the Buildings panel.

Really recommend pressing that button
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Implications for the Directly Controlled Investment Pool Game Rule​

As you can imagine, this new system of ownership, geographic wealth extraction, and privatization/nationalization has far-reaching implications on the economic foundations of Victoria 3. It enables a lot of interesting dynamics we haven't been able to model until this time and adds a whole new dimension to your economic laws.

It also comes with the consequence of making the Directly Controlled Investment Pool game rule that we introduced with 1.2 (as a legacy alternative to the new Autonomous Investment system) impossible to maintain. In 1.6 and prior, if this game rule was turned on, the player would be directing all construction efforts. As long as there was money in the investment pool and the construction queue was building a privately-owned building, the cost of construction goods would be coming out of the investment pool first before being carried by the state budget. With the new rules for building ownership, investment rights, and so on in 1.7 this no longer makes sense - there's now a very clear distinction between a building project initiated by a private investor and the state, a potential source of conflict innate to both foreign ownership and the privatization/nationalization mechanics, and even differences between owners in different regions that cannot be represented if all construction projects were player-initiated.

Because of this it no longer makes sense for players to be in charge of both public and private investments simultaneously, and as such the Directly Controlled Investment Pool rule has had to be removed for 1.7 and beyond. While we can't support non-default game rules to the same degree as the standard options, removing a game rule completely is not something we'd ever do without good cause. We know that a smaller fraction of you favored this setting so we want to be clear with why its removal was a necessity to move forward with these improvements to ownership and foreign expansion.

Outlook​

I would like to end today’s Dev Diary by providing a short outlook for what these changes also enable us to do in the future.

The main thing here is affecting Companies.

The way we have reworked ownership allows us to create Company headquarter buildings which can then own specific building levels of industries they care about, determining its profitability from and providing their throughput bonuses only to these. While we cannot provide a concrete timeline for that change at this point, it is something we would like to tackle for one of our next free updates.

That’s it for today. Check back next week when Mikael is going to walk you through what changes 1.7 and Sphere of Influence brings to relations and interactions between Overlords and Subjects, including how these foreign investment mechanics relate to your grip over your extended empire.

Overview for all upcoming Dev Diaries:
Date Topic
4th AprilSubject Interactions
11th AprilLobbies and More on Power Blocs
18th AprilThe Great Game
25th AprilThe Art of Sphere of Influence
2nd MayChangelog 1.7
 
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"Because of this it no longer makes sense for players to be in charge of both public and private investments simultaneously, and as such the Directly Controlled Investment Pool rule has had to be removed for 1.7 and beyond."


I very very very dislike.

So I as a player only can build governmental buildings?
 
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Another question: When the Investment Pool generates new levels of Financial District and/or Manor House does it take into account qualifications for Capitalists and/or Aristocrats when determining where to put the new building level?
 
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Loving this!

Can a country refuse a peaceful nationalization? Is there a way to prevent it, via obligations, humiliations, and the like?
Can nationalization be demanded as a separate war goal, instead of the primary one?
1. Currently there's no refusal for peaceful nationalization, except having investment rights
2. Yes, you can demand it as a separate war goal
 
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Can my nation have urban centers, trade centers, manors, financial districts and government buildings as only buildings?
That is no anything except for those buildings.

That is country would be fully utilizing foreign investments for its own economy (microstate like Luxembourg).
 
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1. Currently there's no refusal for peaceful nationalization, except having investment rights
To expand on this, how are investment rights retracted? I assume it is unilateral?
So you can get investment rights from another country, build stuff there, then they break the treaty and nationalize it? That's kinda cool
 
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There’s a lot to unpack here, sorry for all the questions, but here goes:

Do you think the changes to ownership could provide a platform for adding more financial mechanics? Ie, banking, insurance, private and public lending, and international credit?

Will capitalists buy/sell buildings from/to each other?

Are speculation and market bubbles modeled?

If a country my capitalist’s have invested in goes bankrupt or nationalizes foreign industry, will my capitalists create a lobby to invade and demand compensation?
 
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This is one major changes I like the most out of all the updates!! Also love the new building registry, QoL improvements like this just shows that the game is going in the right direction.

I still have some questions regarding the ownership though.

1. What’s going to happen to the skyscraper buildings? Is it duplicated with the new financial district, especially the Trade Nexus PM?
2. Can manor houses and financial districts spawn in multiple states in each country? And how to determine where they can spawn (if multiple of such building is possible)?
3. What happen to the existing ownership, both national and foreign one, if one country got annexed?
4. What happen to ownership of some unique buildings e.g. Panama canel? Are they follow the same rules as other buildings?
5. Can we have financial district upgraded to skyscrapers, maybe visually in the late game? I really wish I could see a New York city skyline filled with skyscrapers in this game, pleasssssssse.
 
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You can demand nationalization of a country’s assets in your country. If they accept, their building levels’ ownership changes to your country. If they don’t, you can try and enforce it as a wargoal.
Can you do the opposite? Can you force other countries to privatize their state-owned industries?
 
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This is the biggest change to the gameplay-loop since the war changes or the original introduction of Auto-investment. I like how it lays the foundation for things to come, seemingly company ownership.

Thought: have you considered moving the investment pool source from the pops to these buildings? Right now we have 20% of capitalist income going to the investment pool, but when the income is paid by the building it might as well be 20% of financial district profits, no?

I feel like this has potential in regards to things like experiments with private debt/interest rates, companies / districts modeling investment banks investing in their own expansion.

Edit: it allows you to mess with having a seperate debt / investment pool per company. But it does remove the pop type determining what type of building is built. So it's an interesting tradeoff.
 
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It’s 1836. In Bavaria, a proud member of the Zollverein Power Bloc, all buildings are owned by the state or the workers themselves.

Bavaria? Proud, you say? Is there even as much as one proud Bavarian?

But in all seriousness: the ownership changes are the best change since launch, I think!
 
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So a question,

As far as I understood, you could just like build a farm, plantation or industrial plant and etc from the state budget and it would be owned by the country until you privatise it by “selling” it to aspiring capitalists or capitalists and receive the costs from investment fund into the treasury pool? Right?

Then how could we force the investment AI not blow its budget on things so that it could “afford” to pay the cost of privatization?
 
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Thanks :)

On your question, as Martin wrote:
"They use somewhat different score calculations, with a very heavy emphasis on potential profit for privatization. Generally speaking privatization of profitable buildings has the highest return on investment, so is what they'll often do first if possible, but it's not guaranteed or anything."

I don't believe there's a change with regards to investments specifically in resources, but you should probably see it being a bit more developed inherently since you generally have more possible actors that could invest in it.
Thank u for your reply! My main concern was that in 1.6 and earlier, I’m sitting in frustration as my subjects and everyone in the world simply refusing to build very profitable industries like oil. I hope that with these new mechanics, countries would be more aggressive or smarter in investing even with a larger amount of actors?
 
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We're talking about privatisation and nationalisation of buildings. I have to wonder: What about healthcare and education? We literally have laws about whether or not healthcare and education are private or public, yet here there seems to be no interactions regarding those, as they seem to be "free" of sorts.
 
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Will you be able to build railroads in other countries?

How will the game distinguish different production methods for foreign owned buildings/private and public owned buildings in the same state?

Will there be anything regarding ownership of foreign trade centers? Historically custom houses were confiscated from debtor countries, being the first step as a way to vassalize and eventually absorb them.
Yes, you can build railroads in other countries if you have Investment Rights.

The game does not distinguish between production methods. There is always one PM active for a whole building, no matter who owns how many levels. The controller of the country where the building is located also controls the PM that is active.

Nothing on foreign trade center ownership for the time being at least. Sounds cool, but that would require some fairly drastic changes to how trade centers are generated etc.
 
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question in the screenshots, it shows manor houses owning lumber mills, something i think in the past did not employ aristocrats, have their been changes to what aristocrats and capitalist buy and own?
 
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So a question,

As far as I understood, you could just like build a farm, plantation or industrial plant and etc from the state budget and it would be owned by the country until you privatise it by “selling” it to aspiring capitalists or capitalists and receive the costs from investment fund into the treasury pool? Right?

Then how could we force the investment AI not blow its budget on things so that it could “afford” to pay the cost of privatization?
By making said produced building, PMs and market condition favourable enough to be a no-brainer. From what i understand pops will invest mainly on profitability. So if you build stuff needed by market based on demand etc you should be gucci.
 
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Yes, you can build railroads in other countries if you have Investment Rights.

The game does not distinguish between production methods. There is always one PM active for a whole building, no matter who owns how many levels. The controller of the country where the building is located also controls the PM that is active.

Nothing on foreign trade center ownership for the time being at least. Sounds cool, but that would require some fairly drastic changes to how trade centers are generated etc.
Can you build railroads in countries that don't have the railroads tech? Or buildings a country doesn't have tech for in general?
 
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Very good DD. I also appreciate the transparency about Companies!

My only major gripe left with the game is how Navies are handled, from fleets being able to go anywhere in the globe (they should be limited to a range from their HQ), to how fleet deployment and combat works, leading a whack-a-mole gameplay, to how buildings work for navies being really awkward at dealing with ship upgrades...

Anyway, thank you for pouring so much effort into the base game, instead of focusing on churning out only DLCs.
 
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