Flashes and Eagles: An Alternative Cold War

[Xie]

I'm not sure but I have an idea of making FA Ultranationalist and NS Integralist. A lot of the fascist regimes look like Action Francaise style government for some reason. How's that sound?

Also is Argentina a Junta as in OTL? That could be a FA government that sides with Chinese or even US depending on the status of the Falklands....

Also, when's the enddate? 2000?

and you have any countries that need ministers urgently. What about China? Korea? I like looking into a lot of countries so I can help with any of them. Through it is very hard to find hardcore fascists and ultranationalists after the ww2 era through I can use improvision.

Also what ideology would the far-left have. Communism as we know it is nonexistent ATL. And are you getting these ministers from turning point or something?

Also if Japan goes militarist, this guy could lead FA or NS Japan.

His name is Yukio Mishima and he tried to coup Japan. And then he killed himself. However he could still be alive here....

And his group is this

 

[tyman323]

Just some observations: There is no political parties in a integralist state, except the integralist one, so we have factions, also according to the PRTB site, Levy was a teacher in 1975, and Enéas was a medic, so I searched some far right leaders from 1970s, and the two best candidates are:

Gerardo Melle Mourão

He was a romanticist, maybe he could be the leader of the integralist ultranationalist faction, he would fit perfecly (he was so integralist that exiled himself with some members in OTL after the 1964 coup)

For the moderates, the best one is general Albuquerque e Lima, a legend, he almost became our president in 1970s

And Bolsonaro was a corporal in 1970s, so what about the military candidate that can do the coup be Marechal Geisel? (he were our dictator in 1975 in OTL)

Okay, will add them and have edited pics later.

I'm not sure but I have an idea of making FA Ultranationalist and NS Integralist. A lot of the fascist regimes look like Action Francaise style government for some reason. How's that sound?

Also is Argentina a Junta as in OTL? That could be a FA government that sides with Chinese or even US depending on the status of the Falklands....

Also, when's the enddate? 2000?

and you have any countries that need ministers urgently. What about China? Korea? I like looking into a lot of countries so I can help with any of them. Through it is very hard to find hardcore fascists and ultranationalists after the ww2 era through I can use improvision.

Also what ideology would the far-left have. Communism as we know it is nonexistent ATL. And are you getting these ministers from turning point or something?

Also if Japan goes militarist, this guy could lead FA or NS Japan.

His name is Yukio Mishima and he tried to coup Japan. And then he killed himself. However he could still be alive here....

And his group is this

The countries that need ministers are China (need a monarchy in China, but one that is not Puyi for the reason that the original 1915 restoration did succeed when I played, however I do have someone, I'll post that later. Korea would also be something along the lines of a monarchy, they could just have the Chinese as they're HOS, but if they do have some surviving line that would be convenient. Also Japan needs some, I'll look into that group you sent. I've not tried to leach off turning point, but I might ask to borrow some ministers when the Alpha comes out, also UNSC trooper just sent me a bunch of European ministers from 1964, so that almost takes care of that area for now. Also feel free to improvise, butterflies in this TL are numerous.

Ideologies are also interesting, Ultra-Nationalists seemed like the good NS for me at the time, maybe it could go PA = National Conservative, FA = same or switch to Ultra-nationalist, and NS be something else or Integralist. I'll think it over. Left wing is not dead, but not strong either. with the failure of Stalinism and the non-existence of Maoism, than I think Trotskyism will be the ST, will Marxism is LE (Leninism was never really implemented) and LWR being Socialism.

Argentina is in the U.S camp, and is a Junta, but pressure is mounting from the U.S to Democratizes, also Chile is in the Chinese camp, and its civil war will serve as a proxy war between the Chinese and the Americans.

 

[Xie]

There is a Korean Royal family, maybe China restores royal family under its influence.

Yi Won (born 23 September 1962) is a descendant of the Joseon Dynasty (a.k.a. Yi Dynasty) and the head of the House of Yi.

An intresting event could possibly be a ultranationalist coup done by Britain and could be flashpoint for WW3. Korea does not have a "fascist" party of any sort but we could have this guy(he was a dictator OTL but shot but could also be kept alive by butterflies) take over and ultranationalists could form greater korea(stake claims). Or even have a chinese member of whatever royal line you have take power(not sure who if not Qing dynasty), and have the coup restore the monarchy under an ultranationalist/fascist/integralist government with Park as HOG.

 

[tyman323]

There is a Korean Royal family, maybe China restores royal family under its influence.

Yi Won (born 23 September 1962) is a descendant of the Joseon Dynasty (a.k.a. Yi Dynasty) and the head of the House of Yi.

An intresting event could possibly be a ultranationalist coup done by Britain and could be flashpoint for WW3. Korea does not have a "fascist" party of any sort but we could have this guy(he was a dictator OTL but shot but could also be kept alive by butterflies) take over and ultranationalists could form greater korea(stake claims). Or even have a chinese member of whatever royal line you have take power(not sure who if not Qing dynasty), and have the coup restore the monarchy under an ultranationalist/fascist/integralist government.

I do like the Coup Idea because the leader of the Royal house would be this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Gu and in RL the sucession is disputed, however lets say the assasination attempt on Chung-hee is swaped by one on him, so one prince could be on British side, the other loyal to chinese, or you could have a Republican gov. loyal to Britannia and monarchists to Chinese, either way good find and idea.

 

[Kommandante.12]

Wish you luck in the mod, can't wait to play! Also can't wait to read more about Australia and New Zealand Nationalism...
you've gotten my attention now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[tyman323]

Wish you luck in the mod, can't wait to play! Also can't wait to read more about Australia and New Zealand Nationalism...
you've gotten my attention now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Okay so for Australia, I've thought about an interesting concept for its history. After the European war (official name for this TL equivalent of world war 2) Australia and found itself the kind of master of the Oceania region. they adopted a nationalist government when Mosley came to power, however after the defeat of the Netherlands, they had a hard time keeping control of Indonesia, which in turn lead Australia to intervene. before they could the Dutch complained and not wanting to rock the boat, mosley stop the invasion in its tracks. while Australia got away with taking the other half of Dutch New Guinea, Indonesian revolt was successful and they join the Chinese. Outraged that they never got the chance to stop it before they could, Australia splits off from the commonwealth, and forms the Australasian union with New Zealand (by pressure and threat of force). They have a Different monarch on the throne (prime minister still holds all the power). so some are still mad at being a monarchy, while in zealand they aren't pleased to be under the jack boot of Australia all the damn time, so revolt risk is high.

 

[Kommandante.12]

Okay so for Australia, I've thought about an interesting concept for its history. After the European war (official name for this TL equivalent of world war 2) Australia and found itself the kind of master of the Oceania region. they adopted a nationalist government when Mosley came to power, however after the defeat of the Netherlands, they had a hard time keeping control of Indonesia, which in turn lead Australia to intervene. before they could the Dutch complained and not wanting to rock the boat, mosley stop the invasion in its tracks. while Australia got away with taking the other half of Dutch New Guinea, Indonesian revolt was successful and they join the Chinese. Outraged that they never got the chance to stop it before they could, Australia splits off from the commonwealth, and forms the Australasian union with New Zealand (by pressure and threat of force). They have a Different monarch on the throne (prime minister still holds all the power). so some are still mad at being a monarchy, while in zealand they aren't pleased to be under the jack boot of Australia all the damn time, so revolt risk is high.

Bloody 'Strayans :| But seriously sounds really
interesting,kind-of an impending pacific war/all-out revolution against current Australian government it seems, maybe a civil war event? Anyway,can't wait to see it all come to full-light. Keep up the awesome work!

 

[tyman323]

An Important announcement on my part, today, with the release of the mod Turning point by hansnery, and after getting in touch with him and testing out this master piece of a mod, he has allowed me to use its tech tree for Flashes and Eagles. both him and MrNazar (who helped make said tech tree) will be in the credits and I will start to intergrate it as soon as possible, it should go well unless some freak accident occurs. I will also leave you with a shot of another event chain that's to come. will this be the reign of the last emperor, or will this only be the beginning?

 

[Gukpa]

>Japan
>republic

How? '-'

 

[tyman323]

>Japan
>republic

How? '-'

From a Skype conversation
Japan is isolated after defeat in both World War One and a war with Chinese empire in the 1920s and is a real backwater, possible civil war after a coup happened the year before the start

Japan still retained this master of pacific image when in this TL reality, it was always beaten back by either more organized Chinese, or more aggressive Americans. As such people not only became frustrated but the economy and the resources quickly died out. In 1974 an ultranationalist coup occurs against a slightly moderate faction (the navy was on charge) and so when this event fires, both the republicans and army personal launch a counter coup that (sometimes)turns into a deadly civil war.

 

[Gukpa]

From a Skype conversation
Japan is isolated after defeat in both World War One and a war with Chinese empire in the 1920s and is a real backwater, possible civil war after a coup happened the year before the start

Japan still retained this master of pacific image when in this TL reality, it was always beaten back by either more organized Chinese, or more aggressive Americans. As such people not only became frustrated but the economy and the resources quickly died out. In 1974 an ultranationalist coup occurs against a slightly moderate faction (the navy was on charge) and so when this event fires, both the republicans and army personal launch a counter coup that (sometimes)turns into a deadly civil war.

Wouldn't be more realistic a war between parlamentarists and absolutists like happened in England? I mean I don't think the japanese people could be ready for a republic, even more in a period of crisis

 

[tyman323]

Wouldn't be more realistic a war between parlamentarists and absolutists like happened in England? I mean I don't think the japanese people could be ready for a republic, even more in a period of crisis

I'm trying to get a more kind of brutality and hardship factor, a civil war between those too sides also just don't fit in my opinion, anger brewing up since the early 20s has got to have more radicalism in its ranks. (You never see a japanese republic out their, so that might be it.) also in the end of the english civil war, the monarchy was actually destroyed,
And the commonwealth as it was called, was a (aibet dictatorial) republic.

 

[Gukpa]

I'm trying to get a more kind of brutality and hardship factor, a civil war between those too sides also just don't fit in my opinion, anger brewing up since the early 20s has got to have more radicalism in its ranks. (You never see a japanese republic out their, so that might be it.) also in the end of the english civil war, the monarchy was actually destroyed,
And the commonwealth as it was called, was a (aibet dictatorial) republic.

Ok please post a screenshot with China please :wub: :wub:

 

[tyman323]

Ok please post a screenshot with China please :wub: :wub:

I almost got china done, just need to get the rest of north east Asia done as well, will try to get one by tomorow.

 

[UNSC Trooper]

I think I'm gonna write a more detailed description of the War of European Liberation for future use in the mod's scenario description. If it's ok with you, Ty.
As for the sprites for this mod, might we possibly be able to use the MDS ones, as the timeline is somewhat near our own?
SKIF icons for individual models is something I could do myself. We need unique icons for Britannia, Russia, Japan and Italy, at least.

On a different note -- is there any potential timeframe when we could expect an upload of the mod for future development?

 

[Xie]

Who leads the Ultranationalists? The guy I suggested?

Also what about leaders for this mod?

 

[tyman323]

I think I'm gonna write a more detailed description of the War of European Liberation for future use in the mod's scenario description. If it's ok with you, Ty.
As for the sprites for this mod, might we possibly be able to use the MDS ones, as the timeline is somewhat near our own?
SKIF icons for individual models is something I could do myself. We need unique icons for Britannia, Russia, Japan and Italy,
On a different note -- is there any potential timeframe when we could expect an upload of the mod for future development?

at least.
That's perfectly fine with me, it be good to have, also mds sprites are being used as they are both fitting and my fav sprites SKIF are needed, that would be appreciated. And I'm going strong but not sure on that upload, however it's going good so possibly not that far away.

 

[tyman323]

Who leads the Ultranationalists? The guy I suggested?

Also what about leaders for this mod?

He inded does, I don't have a full cabinet yet for japan, but will work on it. Leaders will be tough hadn't thought of it yet.

 

[Xie]

Can Germany be reunified? And if Mosley's legacy of European integration is carried on after his death could we get a United States of Europe or a Holy Britannian Empire?

 

[tyman323]

Can Germany be reunified? And if Mosley's legacy of European integration is carried on after his death could we get a United States of Europe or a Holy Britannian Empire?

Germany will reunify either via liberation or after the collapse of order in Europe, which can be peaceful or violent. Europe will be call either just Europe, or the European Empire. (although the holy Britannian empire may also be named)