I think it's more of a dissapointment than anger. This is the most civil rage thread in a long time.
Rajas of india
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Color me unimpressed. It's not that I wouldn't want to play as an Indian ruler -- I actually like role-playing all sorts of different cultures in this game -- I'm just not very optimistic.
Jews play like Christians with a few different mechanics. Zoroastrians play like Muslims without the interesting events and features. Most pagans play the same as each other. Orthodoxy is Catholicism lite with a pentarchy mechanic that hurts rather than helps. Almost all clutters play the same, but a bare handful have different hats.
For me to enjoy this expansion Id need at the very least
-- genuinely unique Indian traits and events such that it doesn't feel like Christians or Muslims with a handful of new CBs
-- A unique CoA set, shield frames, and UI
-- portraits not only for Indians, but other people using the Arab set right now such as Persisns and Turks and Steppe peoples so that the east is not one uniform blob (really Paradox, I loved the Celtic pack but the east is crying for attention)
-- mechanic so that counts in Iceland Mali aren't marrying Indiand somehow.
I can see the last three things being possible, maybe, but I'm not convinced that the gameplay is going to be unique. Not only would it be tough (though not impossible, at least Muslims and Norse feel different) but they'd be getting a lot more attention than the existing cultures in the game in terms if uniqueness and I'm not sure they'd do that. If they surprise me, great, I'm all for it.
Jews play like Christians with a few different mechanics. Zoroastrians play like Muslims without the interesting events and features. Most pagans play the same as each other. Orthodoxy is Catholicism lite with a pentarchy mechanic that hurts rather than helps. Almost all clutters play the same, but a bare handful have different hats.
For me to enjoy this expansion Id need at the very least
-- genuinely unique Indian traits and events such that it doesn't feel like Christians or Muslims with a handful of new CBs
-- A unique CoA set, shield frames, and UI
-- portraits not only for Indians, but other people using the Arab set right now such as Persisns and Turks and Steppe peoples so that the east is not one uniform blob (really Paradox, I loved the Celtic pack but the east is crying for attention)
-- mechanic so that counts in Iceland Mali aren't marrying Indiand somehow.
I can see the last three things being possible, maybe, but I'm not convinced that the gameplay is going to be unique. Not only would it be tough (though not impossible, at least Muslims and Norse feel different) but they'd be getting a lot more attention than the existing cultures in the game in terms if uniqueness and I'm not sure they'd do that. If they surprise me, great, I'm all for it.
That would suggest a game where the Caliphs don't immediately jihad for Jerusalem the day after it's created.
A cool observation.
Only one thing, CK2 is a stake house, and those who want veggies should maybe visit another restaurant!
Why are people such idiots? First of all, Paradox won't be giving this DLC away for free, so people have the right to complain. I think that Imperial governments and Crusade mechanics should've come before, and I don't really know how much historical base can RoI have.
I think they did the expansion for EU4 and salvaged what of that work they could and implemented it into CK2. That's killing 2 birds with 1 rock, which is smart, but it doesn't deny us a right to complain.
And, by my assumptions, over 2/3 of people don't play Muslims because of decadence. It really needs a rework.
I wonder how Pdox's going to deal with the lack of a Suez Canal for ships to go through. Still, I'm sceptically optimistic at having India added to CK2, though I'd really prefer to have it as part of a standalone Far East game.
Actually, I'd really like a genuine Far East grand strategy game. Are there any plans what-so-ever in developing one, Paradox?
Actually, I'd really like a genuine Far East grand strategy game. Are there any plans what-so-ever in developing one, Paradox?
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This is almost as bad as when sunset invasion was announced, and that was really fun, imagine the hours of great joy that will come out of this 
I suppose we should take some advice from Alexander the Great.
I suppose we should take some advice from Alexander the Great.
I would love if if you can go through the Canal, but it takes 6 months because you need to drag your ships on land
arbritrary bs to protect catholics? there is enough of that already, like the number of op holy orders. the sole reason why the crusader states formed and existed for as long as they did was because the muslim realms were distracted and divided, which is entirely possible in ck2.
CKII is not a stake house. The main dish (vanilla) was stake, optional the side dish is salad. If you don't want the side dish, you should finish the main dish and get off the restaurant.
PDS does not force you to buy the DLC, so no reason for you to complain.
I try but I can't. I find SI boring. I expect little more from RoI.This is almost as bad as when sunset invasion was announced, and that was really fun, imagine the hours of great joy that will come out of this
No, but the patches are forced upon by Steam. And that is a reason to complain, as the map expansion will almost certainly be a part of the patch.
Is this true? If so, it means Buddhism, Hinduism, and probably others will be added as a religion, this has me worried as who will get more focus? Many of the pagans still need fleshing out. But that being said, I can make Alexanders Empire, without having to use a mod! The price as well worries me. Still though I wish Pdox luck and am interested to see what happens to India when I go up a year when selecting a character.
Dunno but India is more something for EU or Vicky then for Crusader Kings. What next, Japan and China ? Dont get me wrong a Crusader kings style game about India,China or Japan would be great but for one of these we dont need the Occident.
I would also like more depth first.
I would also like more depth first.
so no time went into this that could've gone towards other things, right? otherwise, they have a perfectly legitimate complaint, regardless of whether they buy it.
especially because they're not selling this as an expansion; chances are, you're getting india, like it or not
Now, while I can't read minds, my guess is that he meant that suddenly including all of the world in a game that is about the crusades, is silly.
While I don't happen to agree with that, and think it's cool to expand into other parts of the world, I do see his point, and it's not a matter of declaring India "silly" as a general rule, but in the context of this game.
The main dish is medieval feudalism, and the restaurant specialises in cooking that! Interaction between India and Europe at that time was nearly non-existent...
And by the way, where do you white knights get off? Of course they don't force me to buy the DLC, but if I buy a racing car I don't want a coffemachine as additional equipment, I want a better engine, or steering or what not... And I DO have the right to complain as a paying costumer.
Given that you're brainwashed by the standard's of the consumer society, you should know that the costumer is always right. I would love to have a poll and see how many people like/dislike this news of RoI, and a statistics on how many bought it.
This is a long thread...
I had posts to make in it, but I couldn't be bothered to read every prior post to make sure that I haven't been ninja'd.
I'm pumped for this DLC, and I think we all know that its inevitable now that a future DLC (3.1?) will include China. Oh, the converter goodness will be sweet.
Now, since my hopes and dreams about a Dark Age game have been so ruthlessly crushed, lets start agitating for a Dark Age DLC between RoI and Crusader Mings, shall we?
I had posts to make in it, but I couldn't be bothered to read every prior post to make sure that I haven't been ninja'd.
I'm pumped for this DLC, and I think we all know that its inevitable now that a future DLC (3.1?) will include China. Oh, the converter goodness will be sweet.
Now, since my hopes and dreams about a Dark Age game have been so ruthlessly crushed, lets start agitating for a Dark Age DLC between RoI and Crusader Mings, shall we?
And EVERYONE who works in the catering industry, like my father, will tell you that the customer is NOT always right. He must not be disrespected, but he isn't the king of the place he enters in. That sentence creates the monsters that think they can get in a restaurant and have the staff kneel.
Start a poll? I'm mildly curious as well. It's only going to give partial information and skewed to forum-goer opinion, of course, but still.
Three new religions. Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and Sikhism are all relevant to the region. Which one doesn't make the cut?
I'm guessing probably Sikhism since it doesn't appear until nearly the end of CK2's time period. On the other hand, I've seen someone mention that Jainism could be cut because of policies against depicting the swastika, but I personally think Paradox will just come up with some other symbol to pretend represents Jainism.
I'm guessing probably Sikhism since it doesn't appear until nearly the end of CK2's time period. On the other hand, I've seen someone mention that Jainism could be cut because of policies against depicting the swastika, but I personally think Paradox will just come up with some other symbol to pretend represents Jainism.
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