This Federation should stand as a example of honor and prestige, not sink to the level of others. When we liberate land from the Ottomans, we must be seen as saviors, not just a new tyrant with a different banner.
- General Jovan Lilic
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This Federation should stand as a example of honor and prestige, not sink to the level of others. When we liberate land from the Ottomans, we must be seen as saviors, not just a new tyrant with a different banner.
- General Jovan Lilic
Then we seem to be at different standpoints. It is the general who captures those land's decision. One can chose your "high ground" while another may pick my realistic plan.
Your realistic plan ? How come your realistic plan does not take into account that our population is already tired of this war and certainly won't accept such useless efforts ?
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They were transferred to the custody of the state police, as I had thought that they would like to try and prosecute the militants who have been harming their people. I am glad, however, that you will be taking care of it. I regret I cannot be there, as I have to perform my duties as a Marshal of this Federation.
General Lilic, you prove yourself to be very wise, and I agree whole-heartily. We want the people of Europa, and perhaps the world, to see us as a symbol of freedom and hope. Razing civilian's homes, and pillaging the countryside would make us look no different than the Turks themselves. If this was necessary for us to obtain victory I might reconsider, but it is a punitive action that is unnecessary and truly amoral.
I find it interesting, Chancellor, you would insult the good General this way. He is a military man, and has and continues to serve dutifully. You, however, I do not believe have seen war. Perhaps you should reconsider such remarks, they seem conceited and unwarranted.
-Marshal Elias DeSanctis, Minister of Security
I disaprove with the idea of scorthing the balkans it is terrible dishonorable and unmoral. Most people living in the balkans arent event urkish, why should they pay the price when they didnt nothing too us? Imagine how this will reflect on our global position it will change global view on this from a war of liberation to a war of terror. Not what I want to do.
- Erwin von Tirpitz
- Erwin von Tirpitz
I was just a reminding the generals that the strategy is an option. It has been done before by every monarchy of europe, even the democracy that we based our own on that is america, it is not that abnormal. Deputy papp, the populous has no say in the matter and shouldn't care, they each have their own reasons to hate the turk and we already embargoed them it won't affect us in the slightest. I did not insult him, obviously I will think my plan is better. That is politics! But I do see how we should set the standard and understand your point. But no one will judge us for doing this since it is our war and they have all done it, it is just a way to do war that certainly has its upsides. But then again it is not my decision we can have different views on which to do war it is not uncommon but we shouldn't bicker as much, I view your remark simply as a different solution then my own.
((gosh read what I said :glare: I said not to scorch baltic provinces but only ones with turkish majorities.))
((gosh read what I said :glare: I said not to scorch baltic provinces but only ones with turkish majorities.))
We must not let Hungary's treachery go unpunished. The statehood of Slovakia is not a punishment, it is only the redemption of land that was never truly Hungarian to begin with. Hungary was given its privileged status in the Federation based on the assumption that it would be one of the strongest partners in maintaining it, but with their secession the leaders of Hungary have shown exactly the opposite to be true. As such, making Hungary equal rather than allowing it to keep its privileged status would be both prudent and fair. Otherwise we will set the dangerous precedent that rebellion and treason will bear no consequences.
After the revolution, I thought you would know better Herr Herman.
Yes hungary should not hold any privilege just because we might make them mad. They will make all the other states (save austria) for unfairly awarding hungary for secession.
EDIT: deputy papp, this is a military affair connecting it with the unjust way the monarchy treated the population is ludicrous! Yes, they can revolt, but will they? No, the turk is an ancient enemy and should be treated as such. If they have an objection then they can present their disatification but they know nothing of military strategy and why would the way we treat the ottomans even reach the media? ((there's no free press right? like the population wouldn't even know what happened there even if we only had states press.))
I will not allow the Federation to be seen as the Barbarian of Europe, Councillor.
I am glad others see this Federation as I do- the future of Europe, a beacon to which can be gazed upon in reverence. I will give my body and mind to this Federation, if only to continue our progress. Now, I should refocus on the current war.
- General Jovan Lilic
- General Jovan Lilic
The strategy was recently used in the Napolenic wars if I may be allowed to remind you. Which pretty much all of europe had their hand in. It had many other variations throughout history as well and is probably being used today by the french in their subversion of algeria and such. Why would they look down on us for using a fairly universal tactic?
I am surprised a man as opposed to Radical Liberals as you would suggest we adopt the doctrines of Revolutionary France. But I digress, we are not lowering ourselves to barbaric and ruthless tactics simply because you feel the war is not going quick enough.
You say we like you and I are apart of the decision. We are not, a general can decide whatever tactic he wishes to use to gain victory. I withdraw my comment on the other-hand though since all of this bad support for it. Public executions are okay but not against the enemy of war? Strange, but nevertheless it was merely a suggestion I am surprised about how fierce the opposition to this is since I was in no position to enforce my opinion and considering that we wasted much effort already by focusing on hungary and silesia that could have won the war faster.
((What are our wargoals at present theAhawk ? Seize Bosnia and free Moldavia and Wallachia ?))
As much as it pains me Councillor, I pronounce you to be expelled from the Old Conservative League of the Danube. The League stands for honour and chivalry alongside the rights of all peoples and your recent proposal -alongside a myriad of other acts- proves that you do not live up to these principles. I originally founded the League during the height of the Silesian Crisis in horror at not only the rising Federalism and Socialism within these halls, but also in horror at the Silesian Integrity Bill and how it trampled on the rights of Silesians; and I had hoped that Silesia would rally under the Old Conservative banner. However, your behavior is so disquieting, and such an antitheses to what this party stands for, that I have no choice.
You are arrogant enough to patronise the army by telling it how to do it's duty, then criticise me on those grounds simply for a poor use of syntax? How quaint.
Codrinaru Amendment: Yes
Danubian Federation Monarchism Amendment: Abstain
The Continuity of Powers Act: No
Telegraph Act: Yes
The Industrial Labor and Standards Act: Yes
Amended Labor Act: No
The Silesian Constitutional Integrity Bill: Yes
Amended Currency Act: Yes
Standardized Federal Curriculum: Yes
Defense of Equality and Democracy Act: Yes
Federal Security Act: Yes
Emergency Acts: Abstain
[Serbian]
~ Vlado Nikolić
As President I promised to grant Slovakia some kind of statehood, though I did not reach a second term I will be voting Yes to a Slovak State.
Danubian Federation Monarchism Amendment: Abstain
The Continuity of Powers Act: No
Telegraph Act: Yes
The Industrial Labor and Standards Act: Yes
Amended Labor Act: No
The Silesian Constitutional Integrity Bill: Yes
Amended Currency Act: Yes
Standardized Federal Curriculum: Yes
Defense of Equality and Democracy Act: Yes
Federal Security Act: Yes
Emergency Acts: Abstain
[Serbian]
~ Vlado Nikolić
As President I promised to grant Slovakia some kind of statehood, though I did not reach a second term I will be voting Yes to a Slovak State.
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So, is it right for me to assume that you are against the Greater Representation Act that I have proposed, Councillor Sykora? While I do believe that Hungary should be equal to other states, you advocate for this to happen at the wrong time. We need to be reintegrating Hungary into the Federation, not trying to alienate them against the Federation.
~ Rodrigo Vertucci, Councillor for Lombardia
I agree with the majority of those here who have voiced their opinion on the conduct of the war against the Turks, or rather how wars should be carried out. We should not be barbarians but rather lead by example. With the end of hostilities in Hungary and the Ottoman war back in full swing I wanted to honor our men for their service, they are the sword and spear of the Federation, with our laws and constitution being the shield. Their blood and sweat is what has given us the ability to stand here today in these halls in Vienna.
Minister President Gabriel Soukup-Valenta of Bohemia
Minister President Gabriel Soukup-Valenta of Bohemia
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