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Btw, are the austro-hungary empire a ahistorical path or per default at scenario start?
No, the scenario starts with both Hungary and Austria as separate nations.
As many of you must have already noticed I am very reluctant to add any ahistorical stuff to my project.
But the point is I have done a thorough research and found out that a reunification of Austria and Hungary was not just possible, but actually was a likely possibility.
It was not just an idea in 1930s. Both Schushnigg (in Austria) and Horty (in Hungary) were already taking practical steps towards a Hapsburg restoration in their countries, which very likely might have lead to a restoration of Austria-Hungary. I believe the two leaders even coordinated their activities, because those events were happening almost at the same time.
Both Schushnigg and Horty considered a restoration of monarchy and possible reunification of Austria-Hungary the most effective (at their disposal) counter-measure against growing influence of the National Socialists.
Why in real history neither Schushnigg nor Horty succeeded in that restoration ? Mostly because of the two following reasons:
1) Mussolini was too much preoccupied with his projects of pacification of Ethiopia and the Civil war in Spain, and chose to start a rapprochement with Germany instead of supporting Austria (what he had done before);
2) Hitler foresaw a possible Hapsburg restoration in Austria and Hungary, and took prompt measures against that. The Germans instigated a National Socialist uprising in Austria in 1938, which lead to the Anschluss. He simply turned out to be faster than Schushnigg and Horty, and achieved his goal before the leaders of Austria and Hungary could restore the Hapsburg throne.
Yeah, you are right. Austria-Hungary in 1936
No, it's not weird. It's based on real historical facts. That's what really was happening in 1930s. To be exact that restoration became likely not in 1936, but in 1938. You see 1936 in the screenshots only because I activated those events before their historical dates to make those screens
By the way, that restoration of Austria-Hungary is not guaranteed. You will only have a chance to do that, and that chance, I would say, is not more than 30 per cent. Possible success mostly depends on the position of Italy. If you want to increase your chance of a successful restoration, you better start as Italy, then, when A-H emerges, save your game and reload it as Austria-Hungary.
But all that stuff will be available with the next update of Eurogeddon
But all that stuff will be available with the next update of Eurogeddon
Didn't know that, but considering your (impressive) knowledge in history, I don't doubt what you say and as long as it's included as a "plausbile" path and not the outcome in the majority of games (3 of 10 sounds fair), I'm more than happy as I was with your approach to Mussolinis Italy.
One question though that have gone through my head a couple of times when seeing your screenshot; have you started from scratched (blacked out the whole world...) and do it country by country; opening up more and more by each country that's "completed"? If so, are you planning to do a release like powderkeg of eurasia but with world war 2 that took place in Europe? Would be quite "cool" and something that would keep us greedy bastards from dying of anticipation.
One question though that have gone through my head a couple of times when seeing your screenshot; have you started from scratched (blacked out the whole world...) and do it country by country; opening up more and more by each country that's "completed"? If so, are you planning to do a release like powderkeg of eurasia but with world war 2 that took place in Europe? Would be quite "cool" and something that would keep us greedy bastards from dying of anticipation.
Just to clarify: First, Horthy declined to trust the Hungarian throne upon the Habsburg heir - twice. Restoration was not a real option there. Second, all the newly formed states feared the restoration because of obvious territorial issues, the "Small Entente" would be the first to declare war.
Let's clarify it some more. I can agree with you, but only partly.
Yes, indeed, the two attempts to retake the throne, made by Károly IV, were not successful. But that was in 1920s, when the whole situation in Europe was completely different. A Hapsburg restoration was not an option then. It was still not an option in 1933 when the National Socialist regime in Germany was not taken seriously by the leaders of other nations. But it became an option as Germany grew stronger and her foreign policy more aggressive.
On October 11, 1937 a new political coalition to restore the Hapsburgs in Hungary is formed. It consists of the Agrarian Party of Hungary which joined with the Legitimists to form a new political bloc for the restoration of the Hapsburg monarchy as the best means to block National Socialist elements in the country. In 1937 even the Hungarian Social Democrats, let alone monarchists, considered a Hapsburg restoration as a viable option to stop the National Socialists. How can we say it's not an option now, in 1937 ? It is already an option.
In the same 1937 Hungarian National Socialists, led by Ferenc Szálasi, proposed Horthy claiming the throne for himself. He declined the proposal. Does it mean he was opposed to a possible restoration ? No, it only means he didn't want to deal with the domestic Nazis. He had nothing against a Hapsburg restoration in general, just wanted to use it for suppressing the National Socialists, not for allying himself with them.
That's why in February 1938, shortly before the Anschluss, the Hungarian Government arrested Ferenc Szalasi (already not for the 1st time) and a whole bunch of other leaders of the Nat. Socialist Party of Hungary. The Government took drastic steps to stamp out the Fascist-Nat. Socialist movement in the country. But the German annexation of Austria in March, and the lack of Italian support, ended any further plans for a Hapsburg restoration. So, with the end of Austria it's not an option any more. In brief, that option did exist but only for a short period of time, like 1937 - early 1938.
Yes, of course, the neighbors of Austria and Hungary would not be happy about a Hapsburg restoration and possible reunification of Austria and Hungary. It sounds logical. That's why my restoration events trigger a number of '"Reaction to the Restoration" events throughout Europe, including France. And their reaction is primarily hostile.
And that's why, in real history, Schushnigg was so eager to obtain Italian support for that, because he, as well as Horthy, realized that w/o such support, Austria and Hungary on their own would not be able to achieve that goal.
But let's say Mussolini decides to support the Austrians and Hungarians. Would Romania declare war on Austria-Hungary supported by Italy ? I don't think so. Would Czechoslovakia want a war with Austria-Hungary ? I don't think so either. Yugoslavia ? I doubt it.
Don't forget that by that time Italy had already conquered Ethiopia and a whole coalition of Western Democracies failed to stop the Italians. Would those small European nations stop Italy in her decision to arrange a restoration of Austria-Hungary ? Of course not
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One question though that have gone through my head a couple of times when seeing your screenshot; have you started from scratched (blacked out the whole world...) and do it country by country; opening up more and more by each country that's "completed"? If so, are you planning to do a release like powderkeg of eurasia but with world war 2 that took place in Europe? Would be quite "cool" and something that would keep us greedy bastards from dying of anticipation.
Yes, you got it right. Roughly speaking that's how it's being done
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I said not more than 30 per cent which means sometimes the actual percentage is even lower than that.
Anybody else thinks that 30 per cent is too much ?
Now that's a cool flag and roundel. That's a big minor right there, could be very fun to play - playing superpowers gets boring after a while.
30 percent does seem much, but I'd like that to happen sometimes instead of being a legendary event chain that never happens.
That's a big minor right there, could be very fun to play - playing superpowers gets boring after a while. 30 percent does seem much, but I'd like that to happen sometimes instead of being a legendary event chain that never happens.
30 perent seem too much for me , but yeah, I agree with LeeDub.
And players can always mod the % to whatever value they want.
, but yeah, I agree with LeeDub. And players can always mod the % to whatever value they want.
Because the old Austria-Hungary was a hereditary enemy of France. There had been so many wars and conflicts between the two nations in the past. It was a great relief for the French when A-H disintegrated as a result of the Great War. The new European order, post WW I, was designed and maintained by the French. A resurrection of Austria-Hungary breaks that order, it takes the situation in Europe completely out of the French control. It seems to be very logical that France would hate such changes in Europe. Don't you think so ?
30 perent seem too much for me
And players can always mod the % to whatever value they want.
Let's put it this way. Powder keg of Eurasia was announced as a quasi-historical scenario. That percentage can be 30 for it.
But 1933 and 1937 are supposed to be more historical. That percentage for a restoration of Austria-Hungary will be much lower for these scenarios. Something not more than 10.
Does it sound good ?
that looks more like a semi major.
That flag is from the Habsburg Monarchy, the Habsburg line died in the 20's so... another flag is in need...
Yes, what about red-white-red/green?
I mean smth like
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No, that Royal Dynasty doesn't die out in 1920s. Crown Prince Otto, son of Karl the First of Austria (also known as IV. Károly or Károly Ferenc József), belongs to the House of Hapsburgs too.
You can see a picture of his, taken in 1998, here.
He's a real Hapsburg and looks like he's still alive. But his wife, Crown Princess Regina of Saxe-Meiningen, died on February 3rd, 2010 (a couple of months ago), at the age of 85 y.o.
That's the flag of Austria-Hungary in the First World War. It is associated with the defeat in that war.
Austria-Hungary that might emerge in 1930s is a New Beginning for Austrians and Hungarians, and that black&yellow bicolor is supposed to symbolize a New Hope for them