Tinto Talks #11 - 8th of May 2024

[Cooleatack]

When pops of a province die, do they get taken from the locations equally, or are rural areas prioritised over more urban areas?

What constitutes mercenaries? What happens when their regiments die? Where is their manpower sourced from?

 

[Tercio Soldier]

Will the pops used for deceased manpower only be taken from the Peasants or also from the other Estates?

I.E.:
Pikemen would be from the peasants
Jannisaries would be from the enslaved
Knights would be from the nobility
Idk maybe Shaolin monks from the Clergy
Merchant ships from the Burghers
Etc.

Does it work like that?

The slave pops of this game wouldn't accurately represent jannisaries, since they don't have political power and are poor. Jannisaries were slaves but were extremely influential.

 

[ero_sk]

yes, it will be 0, and no you cant drill levies

Did/will you consider introducing ideas/societal values/you-name-it that will allow raising levies that are more "trained" or with better morale, perhaps at the expense of lower pool of regulars? To reflect countries that base their defence strategy on levies and/or mercenaries vs regulars.

 

[bokorthedust]

And if the launch goes well, I can ask the team to start the map feedback posts later this week!

I did what honor required, ball is in your court now, Johan al Gaib!

 

[marxwasright]

Can we assume if there are events for Timur, there will be Isabella, The Tudors and so on from EU4?

I was one for dynamic rulers over historical in EU3. I think it was more about the generals though. Imagine being limited to historical generals..

The issue I had like CK is the names were too random. EU even gave them weights. History itself here is kind of lame too though, since people would just name their heir after themselves..

 

[SafS.99]

Do Mercenaries losses also cause Pop loss in their home area?

 

[Brynjar]

Morale, discipline and CA modifiers confirmed
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Not sure why anyone would expect anything else. These are modelling very real effects. The problem with modifiers in EU4 are usually where they come from, not the fact that they exist.

Is the manpower you raise for armies directly your pops or is manpower some abstraction where the more pops you have the more manpower you gain per month. And if units take damage will you lose pops?

Hello Johan:
Regardind military units.

There are special units in this game ? Perhaps some unique for some nations?

Best regards.

It's kind of sad to see how there are people who seemingly can't even be bothered to read the dev diary before posting questions. It happens like every week

What is the benefit of moving these to a different file? Is it really better to have all demands for military units in one file, rather than having each unit's demand right there with the rest of the unit?

It makes allows them to use the same costsbfor different units, which is a huge benefit the moment you want to rebalance things. It also makes it easier to troubleshoot when something doesn't work as expected.

lol no that's not how it works

I mean I can see a benefit for sure. If I wanted to make a mod that adds more military goods, I'd only need to edit the scripted values file with demand/maintenance instead of touching unit balance, but on the other hand, I can also see it as being annoying when you want to rework something completely.

On the contrary, it effectively makes it easy to reuse the same code when wanted instead of having to enter the same decimal numbers correctly multiple times.

A horse archer regimemt reduces the pool by 1 MP each month.

So project Caesar does have Mana Points!

And if the launch goes well, I can ask the team to start the map feedback posts later this week!

Everyone! Quickly delete your bug reports so that the team can start the map feedback! (I'm joking, please report any bugs as normal)

 

[Metz]

Will wages play a role in attracting people to join the regulars or will commoners always join whenever the barracks is expanded?

Will burghers have any role with some sort of officer corps?

 

[gustavjaune]

yes, timur will be in.

putting in the other ones (napoleon, isabel for castille the list can go on) would be cool too. Some tag-specific flavour that isn't a tag-specific mechanic but rather an extra bit of fun, that isn't hard to implement and gives a sense of uniqueness to each nation. An added bonus is it makes players want to play till later (i.e. napoleon in the 1800's)

 

[Zaragoza]

Yes. People die.

Would we still have those events like "The Weeping Song" with options about how to deal with those who survive (including families of those who die)? It was quite typical that an area ravaged by war got temporary tax exemptions, for example. I guess that could be done manually (if having a lower tax helps a location self-develop), but I guess war exhaustion may be a factor in project Caesar. E.g. if a regiment is recruited from location X and suffers heavy losses in a war, happiness of related pops may not only decrease, but get some agenda of claiming privileges to the player. I guess keeping manpower as a quantity besides population makes it more natural. You can force a bellicose player to chose between giving in to request (keeping manpower capacity in a location but suffering temporary economic penalties) or resist (suffering temporary manpower penalties that you may not want during a war).

 

[BabyBuffalo]

Is it possible (maybe via modding) to have, say, horse archers ONLY take manpower from the Mongolia/Central Asia region? Or is that not possible with the current system? It does kind of defeat the purpose of abstraction, but I can imagine plenty of opportunities it could be useful.

 

[Vohen]

How I understood it is it will still be 3000, but replenish really slow due to the monthly manpower upkeep. So you could stockpile manpower if you can afford to build and maintain your standing army before the war, but take too many casualties and you'll run out quickly even then. It's gonna be a fine balancing act for sure.

Thinking about it, it does make sense in a more indirect way, if the upkeep is 1 mp per 100 men across every unit type, then with a 5k army raised you'd spend 50 mp on upkeep, meaning the whole building would be used to maintain that army, and 5k is exactly the number of pops working it. So it does align in the end.

In a situation where you raise 3k, then wait for the building to replenish more 3k for you to raise, netting you an army of 6k (exceeding the pops working the building), you'd have an upkeep of 60mp, meaning you went overcapacity, which might get you out on a pinch, but isn't sustainable long term.

I can see this as extending recruitment to normally ineligible peasants, but it's a "borrow" of mp which you will eventually have to settle.

 

[Metz]

Region Capital = biggest and most important place you own in a region.

Is this de facto or de jure based? Can it be changed?

 

[Billybobbill]

a_steppe_horse_archers = {
    category = army_cavalry

    copy_from = a_age_1_traditions_cavalry
    max_strength = 0.1

    morale_damage_done = 0.2
    initiative = 5
  
    movement_speed = 1.0
  
      
    combat = {
        grasslands = 0.2
        sparse = 0.2
    }
  
    maintenance_demand =  steppe_horse_archers_maintenance
    construction_demand = steppe_horse_archers_construction
  

    gfx_tags = { archer_tag light_tag }
}

So units can have combat bonus depending on the vegetation, nice... Climate and topography too? (since a location's terrain is made of the triplet climate-topography-vegetation according to Tinto Talks #2).
Does this combat bonus not appear on the unit statistics screenshot?

And second question: the screenshot shows initiative 8 but this code snippet shows initiative 5, same for the movement speed (3.5 vs 1.0), why is that? Are the values from a_steppe_horse_archers added on top of those from a_age_1_traditions_cavalry?

 

[pistachiopants]

But why not just implement soldier pops and make it so that military buildings increase soldier pop conversion? It doesn't really make sense to me as to why fielding a huge standing army but not incurring any military losses would mean the nation has the same number of people working in buildings/farms/mines etc. With soldier pops, I feel like it would make a lot more sense and be simulated better in this regard. The manpower number could simply be a total count of soldier pops and how many regiments you can field.

 

[Haslan]

Yes. People die.

 

[Dingan_Ashan]

Many

Hey Johan why is the Nilgiris area in India uninhabited , it is an inhabited area , it's inhabited by mainly four tribes :- Todas , Kotas , Irulas and Kurumbas and Todas was in top of hierarchy and Todas are an interesting group it is believed that they went into isolation few centuries after Dravidian migration to south India so they didn't really integrate with native South Asian hunter gatherers , if you need any info there are books about them in glottolog .Other groups are not well recorded as Todas .

 

[SafS.99]

Does army distance from their Home area effect their reinforcement time? For example troops recruited in Egypt but located in Balkans should replenish slower than local Anatolian troops.

Also does AI in this game take advantage of others wars? For example if Ottomans have their armies fighting the Persians, will Serbians take advantage of that opportunity to attack the Ottomans in their Undefended Balkan provinces?

 

[Shadow_Phoenix_]

yes, you can do it per province

What I was trying to ask was, when raising levies, were you stuck with raising 100% of your possible levies the entire time? Would there be a way to raise say, only 50% or 20% if there wasn't a need for that many troops? Even if it were on a province basis, that functionality would be nice to limit the effects of both mobilisation, and losing pops.
Thank you for your earlier reply.

 

[SebasR]

I am going to take the risk and say something that may get me downvoted, but I think it is something important to mention, especially to the MP community, so I hope the SP community can have some mercy.


All of this sounds interesting and realistic, but I want to ask if there is a mechanic that helps you recover from a war. This is a problem that I see in vic3, where 90% of the time it isn't worth it to go to war, so you stay all game afk building buildings and attacking undeveloped countries that can't do anything against you while avoiding any war that may be challenging. So you can avoid losing half of your population in a war and is going to stop you from snowball since population is what limits you at the end.


I hope you can add something like a "baby boom" mechanic so even if you lose half of your male population in a war, in 20 years your population can recover thacks to not losing your female population, this dosnt mane war isnt going to hearts since you are still going to suffer 20 years of less income and military weakness. but at least the others countries aren't going to snowball outside of your reach.


I hate when in eu4 you fight a war against another player for 20 years and after a pirric victory you get attacked by someone who was 20 years afk developing and building their country, and now you have to surrender and he makes a horrible peace asking for all your tradenodes... I just want to mention this so you can try to create a system where balance and interesting wars are encouraged and unilateral wars are not. I think the priority should be to make the gameplay fun, not necessarily realistic. Obviously, if it can be both, the better.